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Microsoft Studios' creative director has some choice words about always-online

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Platinumstorm

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Open to buying either console; lean towards PS4 to be honest, but online only completely shuts the door for me and the purposes I use a console for [when my internet goes out] since I'm mostly a PC gamer. Oh well, their loss.
 
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lastflowers

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This is one of those situations where an inside joke and kidding around makes him seem like a jerk. Someone in his position should have known better than to post some of this stuff on twitter--especially since this leads more discussions towards the always-on-drm. Not a bright move.
 
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Maximilian Kolbe

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Alfred Jodl said:
Well saw a Chinese Microsoft employee(he live in USA) aka investor of Tequila Works replied something about this...will translate it later(working now),or someone can translate it if you can

http://i.imgur.com/IoUarg5.jpg/IMG][/QUOTE]

[quote="Slayven, post: 52733220"]Pretty sure it is a spell to raise the dead.[/QUOTE]

[quote="jayu26, post: 52733316"]lol, now I must know what it says![/QUOTE]

"我朋友和他..." part is:
"And my friend and his former colleague joked on twitter,but then kotaku and neogaf's fool take that as Microsoft's response. . so stupid"

"twitter和微博这些"part is:
"For twitter and weibo(chinese twitter like thing),a.you only can type 140 letters once,so you need make your tweet as short as you can,but consequences of that possible will be,grammar and discrepancy,will caught out buy some pople and exploit it. b. because your "identity",even you just joking to your friends,some fools will still indiscriminately label you.So the best way of solve the above problem will be:pretend yourself to other identity"

Sorry for bad translate especially latter part.

[quote="AlphaTwo00, post: 52734003"]a)Twitter's cap of 140 characters is a limiting factor, and people need to be careful what words they cut out to fit the 140 cap, which could lead to people misunderstanding the point. b)He should have know that at his position, anything he writes, even if it's a joke, could be misinterpreted. Should have went with a pseudonym instead.[/QUOTE]

[quote="xelloss12, post: 52734381"]The first part says[/QUOTE]
Oh no should F5 to look anyone translated that,thanks anyway
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Czigga

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The best part about this fiasco is seeing how Microsoft will actually sell the always-online component of Durango now at their big reveal, whenever it happens. Gonna be so awkward. Can't wait.
 
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Twilight Gap

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Slavik81 said:
This is the first time I've heard anyone wish that their vacuum cleaner would shut itself off if their internet connection went down.
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Maybe the vacuum is where he was getting the shit he posted on Twitter.

BurnOutBrighter said:
Looking forward to the Durango demo at E3 crashing due to Internet disconnection.
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Somewhere out there, the universe is shifting the stars to make this happen. It's just too ironic not to.
 
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ZanzibarBreeze

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dmr87 said:
Even if you have a rock solid connection that won't matter when Microsoft goes full SimCity/Diablo 3 on launch day.
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That's the other dimension that I think is going under-reported right now, though the Giant Bomb guys touched on it during their discussion of SimCity. Microsoft's servers can get hit too. Sort of reminds me of the February 2009 PS3 crash (I think it was 2009, when the system couldn't figure out the leap year thing).
 
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Zinthar

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Bravocado said:
IT's too bad this guy's probably gonna lose his job over this. Yeah, he's acting like a jerk, and yeah, he's not making a strong case for the product itself. But still, I kinda see what he was going for.

With that said, the HELL with online only. That's what I say.
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Even though this guy is a douche, I doubt he'll lose his job over it if he's actually good at whatever the hell a creative director does. His comments probably reflect what most of MGS thinks, and where he really mis-stepped in particular was insulting people who don't live in cities.

Also, this gives Microsoft loads of consumer research into what the immediate reaction to the announcement will ultimately be by the core gaming base, so he might have done them a huge favor by giving them an opportunity to "modify" their stance on always-on by the time they announce.
 
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bhlaab

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Hey, you know what always turns out well for people in the games industry and in games journalism? Throwing a big shit fit on twitter. Nobody EVER keeps track of that stuff!
 
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tafer

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dmr87 said:
Even if you have a rock solid connection that won't matter when Microsoft goes full SimCity/Diablo 3 on launch day.
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I'm expecting exactly that to happen. And if the product somehow succeeds, it'll become a regular thing each time a new big game comes out.

It'll be beautiful!
 
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CLEEK

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JCreasy said:
hal.jpg


Me: Durango, my internet is a little spotty. How about a single player game today?

Xbox 720: I'm sorry, I can't do that J. I mean really, I can't. Next-gen policies.
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Me: Durango, my internet is a little spotty. How about a single player game today?

Xbox 720: [...]

Me: Durango?

Xbox 720: [...]

Me: Answer me, dammit!

Xbox 720: [...]

Me: DURANGOOOOO-oh, the internet is back up.

Xbox 720: Did you say something?
 
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shinobi602

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THE PRECIPICE said:
How his tweets, which are clearly tongue in cheek, is getting every one worked up.
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Uh, I think you're completely missing the point. We've had numerous reliable sources mention the next Xbox as needing an Internet connection, even actual leaks of MS documents detailing it, and just today Kotaku broke the story of two reliable inside sources confirming it to them.

Forget the joking between him and the bioware guy, he indirectly pretty much confirmed always-online in his other tweets.
 
Surface of Me

Surface of Me

I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
I really cannot see an always-online console prospering, at all. Is there any TV, blu-ray player, tablet, or other consumer electronics device that is always online? If so, is it doing well?
 
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Penguins&PolarBears

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Replicant said:
So this is how stupid one looks when you're blindly loyal to a company. It's a gaming console FFS. What's the point if you can't play games on it unless you're online?
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It has nothing to do with loyalty. This is how I have been using the technology for the past generation. The absolute only thing I ever do on my Xbox when not signed into Xbox Live is watch DVDs. The device is a fucking brick without Xbox Live as far as I'm concerned. That isn't Microsoft who says that. That's how I feel about it.

An Xbox 360 without Xbox Live Gold is a steaming pile of shit. Why would I ever use my Xbox when the Internet is down. Everything I do on an Xbox including saving and syncing my consoles together requires being online. That's Xbox 360 I'm talking about, not Durango.

That's fine if you disagree, but that's how I've been living for 7 years now. I would never play my Xbox 360 offline so this decision would have nothing but positive benefits for me. It means no longer building games like it is 2004 anymore, it means building single player games that involve sharing and communicating and competing with other people.
 
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razgriz417

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The idea of an always on console where your access to the games you buy is held hostage by MS's servers is not something I'd consider for a second. That'd be like renting all your games and losing all of them the day the servers go down for good


Also reaching >5000 up votes and >3000 comments in a matter of hours is quite impressive. Can't wait to see how MS responds to all of this
 
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Roto13

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Penguins&PolarBears said:
It has nothing to do with loyalty. This is how I have been using the technology for the past generation. The absolute only thing I ever do on my Xbox when not signed into Xbox Live is watch DVDs. The device is a fucking brick without Xbox Live as far as I'm concerned. That isn't Microsoft who says that. That's how I feel about it.

An Xbox 360 without Xbox Live Gold is a steaming pile of shit. Why would I ever use my Xbox when the Internet is down. Everything I do on an Xbox including saving and syncing my consoles together requires being online. That's Xbox 360 I'm talking about, not Durango.

That's fine if you disagree, but that's how I've been living for 7 years now. I would never play my Xbox 360 offline so this decision would have nothing but positive benefits for me. It means no longer building games like it is 2004 anymore, it means building single player campaigns that involve sharing and communicating with other people.
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Single player games are steaming piles of shit.

Ok, brah.
 
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Vyrance

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i still cant believe it, this just wouldnt make any sense. theres way too many parts of the world that have terrible internet connections.
 
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Roche

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THE PRECIPICE said:
How his tweets, which are clearly tongue in cheek, is getting every one worked up.
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To be fair this kind of stuff has far reaching implications, if one of the big three are fully embracing this "always-online" business model it sets a precedent for the rest of the games industry.

With that in mind it's entirely reasonable for people to be getting "worked up" over what appears to be a high profile member of MS publicly mocking customer concerns. Doesn't matter if he was joking, he represents Microsoft, his words reflect the company position whether he likes it or not.
 
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Twilight Gap

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Surface of Me said:
I really cannot see an always-online console prospering, at all. Is there any TV, blu-ray player, tablet, or other consumer electronics device that is always online? If so, is it doing well?
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I agree with you and I understand your point. But to be fair, this is about the software itself and not so much the hardware. If dvd and blu-ray players suddenly had to be online before you could pop in a film, then it'd be the same case.

Also, TV's need channels...
 
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ZombiePlatypus

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I love how now they're trying to dismiss the whole thing by saying they "were joking." Cause, y'know, you should joke about a controversial feature regarding a high profile product coming up from your company PUBLICALLY WHERE EVERYONE CAN SEE.
 
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VeryGooster

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Penguins&PolarBears said:
It has nothing to do with loyalty. This is how I have been using the technology for the past generation. The absolute only thing I ever do on my Xbox when not signed into Xbox Live is watch DVDs. The device is a fucking brick without Xbox Live as far as I'm concerned. That isn't Microsoft who says that. That's how I feel about it.

An Xbox 360 without Xbox Live Gold is a steaming pile of shit. Why would I ever use my Xbox when the Internet is down. Everything I do on an Xbox including saving and syncing my consoles together requires being online. That's Xbox 360 I'm talking about, not Durango.

That's fine if you disagree, but that's how I've been living for 7 years now. I would never play my Xbox 360 offline so this decision would have nothing but positive benefits for me. It means no longer building games like it is 2004 anymore, it means building single player campaigns that involve sharing and communicating with other people.
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Hi, Adam.
 
Surface of Me

Surface of Me

I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
A 3 Legged Goat said:
I get your point, but to be fair, this is about the software itself and not so much the hardware. So if dvd and blu-ray players suddenly had to be online before you could pop in a film, then it'd be just as bad.

Also, TV's need channels...
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Internet, especially WiFi, is a lot more iffy than cable. I'm not sure what you mean about your second sentence in this post, that was sort of my point, I was just wondering if any existed already.
 
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GiantBreadbug

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I guess my sarcasm meter is broken, but I fail to see his dismissal of the plight of those who live in rural areas as "tongue-in-cheek."

"Why would I live there?"

Doesn't really sound he's kidding. And even if he is, it's kinda just like he doesn't really care.
 
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Twilight Gap

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Surface of Me said:
Internet, especially WiFi, is a lot more iffy than cable. I'm not sure what you mean about your second sentence in this post, that was sort of my point, I was just wondering if any existed already.
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The issue is that you can't use the Xbox if there's no internet. No used games, no offline portions, no nothing. If you're not connected, the system will not let you play the game. If you lose connection, the system will tell you to reconnect before playing (according to rumors).

You can still use a TV if there's no satelite/cable/wi-fi
You can still use a DVD/blu-ray if there's no internet.
You can still use a PC if there's no internet.
Tablets are mobile and many features do not require wi-fi.

The xbox hardware itself becomes a useless piece of plastic. This is of course it requires internet to access games, movies, music, etc. It's possible that you could still access Windows Media Center or whatever.
 
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louiedog

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A 3 Legged Goat said:
I agree with you and I understand your point. But to be fair, this is about the software itself and not so much the hardware. If dvd and blu-ray players suddenly had to be online before you could pop in a film, then it'd be the same case.

Also, TV's need channels...
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They tried that. It was called DIVX. It failed miserably.
 
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TheBaronOfNA

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Penguins&PolarBears said:
It has nothing to do with loyalty. This is how I have been using the technology for the past generation. The absolute only thing I ever do on my Xbox when not signed into Xbox Live is watch DVDs. The device is a fucking brick without Xbox Live as far as I'm concerned. That isn't Microsoft who says that. That's how I feel about it.

An Xbox 360 without Xbox Live Gold is a steaming pile of shit. Why would I ever use my Xbox when the Internet is down. Everything I do on an Xbox including saving and syncing my consoles together requires being online. That's Xbox 360 I'm talking about, not Durango.

That's fine if you disagree, but that's how I've been living for 7 years now. I would never play my Xbox 360 offline so this decision would have nothing but positive benefits for me. It means no longer building games like it is 2004 anymore, it means building single player games that involve sharing and communicating and competing with other people.
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Et tu Maxis?
 
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Da1nonly J

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razgriz417 said:
The idea of an always on console where your access to the games you buy is held hostage by MS's servers is not something I'd consider for a second. That'd be like renting all your games and losing all of them the day the servers go down for good


Also reaching >5000 up votes and >3000 comments in a matter of hours is quite impressive. Can't wait to see how MS responds to all of this
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On my phone haven't read much of the thread but why is this different from Steam which everyone loves?

People saying things like I'll just get a PC and likely buy most stuff from Steam or Origin (I kid seems GAF hates it) where you will "rent" games from those services as well. Is there something I am missing here?

Or is this just a make a big deal and sound like an idiot when the alternative I mention does the same I am bitching about sort of situation?
 
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