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[PS4Daily RUMOR] ps4 developers will have access to 7GB of GDDR5 heaven
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A quick glance at his post history suggests otherwise. :lol
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
you're joking....right?
Even if they had the kit, it is not easy to code optimize to actually use the whole space for a game
PS4 will be underutilized for a long time before developers know how to best use the 7GB fast unified VRAM, since it is completly different than PC and PS3 (closer to xbox 360 RAM architecture)
I was expecting 3 GB myself- 1 for OS, 1 for background downloading and 1 saved solely for the sharing/recording. Giving devs 5 gig to work with- which really is still a step up.
With all the talk about the system being fast and at your finger tips, if 1 GB is all Sony has to play with I'd be a bit worried it's not going to work as good as the talk has been. Which I still expected.
I'm just curious how devs are going to use 7 GB in a proper manner.
With all the talk about the system being fast and at your finger tips, if 1 GB is all Sony has to play with I'd be a bit worried it's not going to work as good as the talk has been. Which I still expected.
I'm just curious how devs are going to use 7 GB in a proper manner.
vpance
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IMO devs should just target both a lower screen and texture res for Durango ports. That might take it most of the way to run well enough without much else being sacrificed.
Wouldn't 1 GB for each of those 3 functions be a tad bit ridiculous?
Agent Ironside
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They've never delt with this much before, and we haven't seen any games, even next gen demos, use this much before. Sony 1st party is going to be nuts.
I can't even begin to imagine how things will look on PS4.
Uncharted 3, Killzone 3, The Last Of Us... all of those are made on 256MB RAM. It's incredible. It's even more incredible if you begin to think what kinds of things we'll see on the PS4. And that's only counting the GDDR5.
I am so ready for next gen.
Uncharted 3, Killzone 3, The Last Of Us... all of those are made on 256MB RAM. It's incredible. It's even more incredible if you begin to think what kinds of things we'll see on the PS4. And that's only counting the GDDR5.
I am so ready for next gen.
Agreed. I just don't want my glorious PC versions being held back that much by the console ports. ;]
Thinking about what ND, Polyphony & SSM will bring in terms of image IQ brings a single tear of happiness to my left eye.
BlazingDarkness
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Lucky number 7 
You don't know how all this works, do you?
512MB
It's Tom Penny.
Insane Metal
Member
My guess: 1GB too.
OldAsUrSock
Banned
OS was only slow in-game.
I am pretty sure he was only talking about vram.
JohnnySasaki86
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Not to mention Cerny said in an interview that a lot of of the unique customization's done to the hardware, such as the cache bypassing system(i dont know if im describing it correctly, but it sounded like a huge customization that would result in a lot less wasted cycles), wont be used by devs at first but more so down the line.
If someone could find this exact quote im referring to that would be nice.
Brad Grenz
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No. Progressive downloads are mostly a function of the order in which the data is delivered. Ram isn't a concern. The complexity is entirely in how to package assets and that is solved once by the devs.
SniperHunter
Banned
yeah i agree with you
Lol your on a roll good buddy. Had me worried with your kinect post but I get it
Agent Ironside
Member
And me, a tear to my right eye. Together we make a weeping gamer of joy.
you really think only 252MB of the PS3 ram could be used for graphics?
The WiiU has dedicated 1GB ram to the OS too.
So clearly depending on how their software engineers approach it.
Dude, please stop, I'm losing braincells reading your shit.
You are not one of those who switches Superfetch off thinking it makes stuff better are you?
crapload was referring to 7 GB for gaming... As to Wii U, I dont see how it applies? You have Vita to look at for example of next-gen Sony OS.
1st Course
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So 7 GB for games = 7 GB of Vram? Am I reading this right?
Yup, looking forward to PS4 launch!
The PS4 uses unified ram. There's no separate main ram or video ram pool. There's only this single gigantic pool of super fast ram that you can use for whatever you feel like. 1GB of those 8GB is 'locked' away for OS purposes leaving 7GB for developers which is an ocean of memory.
In a normal PC architecture, when you play a game, what type of assets are loaded in the main RAM? Is it sound, game engine, cinematics, etc?
To have all this stuff loaded in an ultra fast memory that was previously reserved for video cards only is pretty mind blowing actually.
I'm really looking forward to see how far they can push the PS4.
Crimsonlink
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Most modern PC games use about 4GB of Ram at most and thats at Ultra and with the other stuff depending on CPU/GPU.
Maybe a few games that use more than 4 but I doubt it. The PS4 using 7GB of GDDR5 is mindblowing. PC games should benefit heavily from this and depending if the next Xbox's OS uses more RAM, it will give the PS4 the edge in computation and loading along with a lot of other neat tricks the devs have for the PS4.
God 6-8 months is a long time away.
Maybe a few games that use more than 4 but I doubt it. The PS4 using 7GB of GDDR5 is mindblowing. PC games should benefit heavily from this and depending if the next Xbox's OS uses more RAM, it will give the PS4 the edge in computation and loading along with a lot of other neat tricks the devs have for the PS4.
God 6-8 months is a long time away.
especially not the 360-os which has a memory footprint of 32 mb, right?
opticalmace
Member
Really impressive if true.
My body is ready.
My body is ready.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
False advertising. It is now 1 gb less good
Hydrargyrus
Member
Could that RAM amount reserved for the OS be reduced with the time?, as well it was reduced in the PS3 where initially used more and was, periodically, diminisehd with firmware updates.
Since disabling that and other useless services my latency in DPC latency checker is a below 50 unless I purposely run stress tests. The only time superfetch really helps is if you have a slow drive or happen to be a ram hungry user switching between tons of crap.
I didn't do it for load I did it to drop systematic overhead which even ms admits it does.
Here's the link and here is' the main quote.
"SuperFetch and prefetch are storage management technologies in Windows that provide a fast-track access to data on traditional, slower hard drives. On SSD drives these really clever services only provide for unnecessary write operations."
If it's unnecessary which in my case it is why leave it enabled it as useless as the windows media share service.
Maybe, but there's probably not much point. 7GB just for gaming is plenty for the next generation.
I think 1 Gig for OS is quite a lot. Question is whether they "allow" some sort of apps users can install and can run in parallel. Are 3rd-party apps allowed? Do they have ram-usage-restrictions? Is there some sort of virtual machine watching ram-usage? What about an app with memory leaks? The OS will become a major part of Durango/PS4, I fear. And just using BSD doesn't mean all the "magic" gets done automatically.
ScepticMatt
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AFAIK Only data that's directly related to graphics processing is stored in VRAM, like textures and frame buffers. Everything else (sound, animations, etc.) is stored in RAM.
so... having 7 GB available for games doesn't mean you automatically get better performance if you developed with 3.5 GB in mind, if the new Killzone game only needs 2-3 GB of video RAM and 0.5 GB for the main executable + helpers then there's nothing to gain for the extra RAM except faster loading times and maybe some better AA technique, in case they want to use the extra RAM which they didn't take into account while developing they should rework textures and effects for higher quality and up IQ to fill that "empty" RAM. Also worth noting that most graphics effects running on compute units tend to use a lot of RAM, in case they have those in the game then they can up their quality at no performance cost, for instance Tress FX uses around 0.4 - 0.5 GB VRAM just for Lara's hair.
correct me if I'm wrong though !
correct me if I'm wrong though !
You need to have them to lose some
Plus what is so improbable in that statement given xb3 is DX11 compliant & possesses far better specs than WiiU? Plus, at this point 3GB for OS is still a rumour (much like the alleged 1GB for PS4).
You don't have to take my word for it, you can read this fantastic thread on Beyond3D instead!
Everyone who wants to understand the significance of memory amounts and bandwidth in consoles should.
Awesome. I've got some reading to do. I understand to a point but would love to get more educated on what exactly it entails. Stuff like that link are why I'm in tech threads a lot, I'm not all knowledgeable but I love learning about it.
Kill Your Masters
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A random laptop/PC doesn't need 3gb reserved for OS and we are talking about a dozen different scenarios in terms of CPU/RAM/HDD that need to be calculated, why should a closed system require 3GB?
close to the edge
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Well, the rumoured 0.5 GB RAM allocated to the OS would have made the OS more clunky and slow. If anything, this should be helpful for the OS performance since it has more resources to work with.
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