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[PS4Daily RUMOR] ps4 developers will have access to 7GB of GDDR5 heaven
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Nope.
If the rumours are true (about the OS footprint) then next gen games will, in all likelihood, would be designed with 5GB DDR3 in mind and then be ported over to other systems. With lowest common denominator dictating the final look, I doubt XB3 owners will be at a disadvantage.
Hmmmmm... Interesting.
Pristine_Condition
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This wasn't nearly as good as your previous troll in this thread. Bring your "A" game, plz.
Probably right, but of course we will have to see.
That's because I am not being facetious at the moment. I really meant what I said. If the PS4 does possess a RAM advantage in terms of quantity, I expect it to be translated in terms of framerate stability and perhaps a touch better AA solutions. True graphical distinctions will come courtesy of first parties. It happened this generation on a platform which was not developer friendly and it will happen in the next should the rumours stand.
I'm with you on that.
3GB for an OS sounds more absurd than a very reasonable 5GB for games.
SquiddyCracker
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7GB of GDDR5 RAM doesn't have the same ring to it. 
7GB of GDDR5 RAM doesn't have the same ring to it.
Pre order cancelled then?
Pristine_Condition
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On one hand, it seems ridiculous. On the other, there's the RAM footprint of Windows RT on the Surface. I hope for the former.
So you're saying "lazy developers are lazy" basically.
That's only true if you assume developers are lazy. I don't really buy into that. Some are, many aren't. While some will not explore/exploit all the different nuances between PS4 and the rumored Durango, I think a lot of third-parties will push close to the limits of the RAM at least. Third party developers will not want to be disgraced by the likes of ND and SSM. People in creative and technical fields who rise to the level of working at the better developers generally have more pride than that, IMO.
Dead Prince
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what if sony is spreading this "information" only to WOW us at E3? ;P
Ether_Snake
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Except that would mean higher resolution textures on PS4, or anything else PC versions benefit from memory-wise, if Xbox 3 uses more than 1gb for the OS.
If they're making a multiplatform game, they'll need to create assets and levels that 5gb of DDR3 can accommodate. I think the PS4's other advantages will lead to games looking better on it since it'll be pretty easy to up the quality with similar architectures but a lot of the advantages of the RAM won't be able to be explored in multiplatform development.
I also want to chime in that I don't think Durango's OS will be more than 2gb, if that.
What is the Surface footprint?
Considering it seems unlikely any PS4 games in development right now are actually using ~7Gb, Sony could suggest a ballpark 6-7 limit to developers and wait for E3 when they'll have a clearer idea of what the competition are doing OS-wise. I don't see why they even have to think about this too much right now.
vpance
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Nah, it'll probably be built for PS4/PC then downport to Durango.
No, I am not saying it's lazy design process. What I am saying is that the (unfortunate) reality of multiplatform gaming is develop for the lowest common denominator and then up-port. It is easier to do so and saves time and money across all platforms.
To that I say:
If it didn't come from Durante, I'd call it a bit of a hogwash. Because it isn't I'd guess instead of higher resolution textures, perhaps better texture streaming and (just maybe) slightly better load times can be expected.
Not quite true. Look at Dark Souls 2. It's PC led. Then downport to the consoles.
How many times haven't we heard that.
But they aren't on next gen consoles. Next gen consoles will set DX11.x as standard and given their similarities with generic PCs, it would be better have the base infrastructure/engine optimizations in place (lowest common denominator) in the beginning.
It's really up to the devs. There is no hard and fast rule.
They can choose to up port, down port, or start with a timed exclusive unit first.
Or start with the one that's easiest, or the one that they are the most familiar with, or the one that has a good sales penetration, etc.
They can choose to up port, down port, or start with a timed exclusive unit first.
Or start with the one that's easiest, or the one that they are the most familiar with, or the one that has a good sales penetration, etc.
It's a big difference and should show in multiplats. But I still think Microsoft is going to surprise with the hardware.
I posted my predictions for Durango's final specs on the last page. I think they'll be better than rumored but won't close the gap.
Not with the hardward but most likely with the price and may be software (huge may be)
DragonSworne
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With 7GB there shouldn't be much issue for a company that is making a Durango title not to also make a PS4 title.
It will be interesting to see which companies decide to make Durango only titles...
It will be interesting to see which companies decide to make Durango only titles...
MS is a OS company, I don't believe the rumors suggesting the OS taking 3GB that's fucking ridiculous if true.
My prediction also. But you never know. There is still a slim chance that whilst Microsoft might not have Sony beat on the ram front, they might opt for a better GPU or something like that, which might excel in other areas or close the gap elsewhere.
vpance
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Actually it'd make more sense to develop for the most common denominator being PS4/PC, then port to the odd one out. And since basically everyone is developing on high end PC's first it's the path of least resistance.
Why would there have been an issue?
Agent Ironside
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I can't see how much MS could change from current dev kits. GPU mhz bump? 12GB of DDR3? I mean what are we talking about here.
Look on the bright side: Unlike this gen, PS4 owners in all likelihood will not be screwed courtesy of technically inferior ports of multiplat games.
5GB in the beginning will perhaps be more than adequate for multiplat games.
We'll just have to wait and see.
5GB in the beginning will perhaps be more than adequate for multiplat games.
We'll just have to wait and see.
Truespeed
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I think you have it backwards. They'll be designed for the 7GB version to show their game in the best possible light and then downsampled across the board to fit within 5GB.
Upclocking the CPU or GPU is pretty much all they can do, unless they want to risk half assing a certain part or wasting a ton of R&D money.
Bethesda will find an excuse.
This is a true moment of De Ja Vu. I don't know if you feel it too.
Agent Ironside
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That's what I'm getting at, I don't think we will get any hardware surprises. Unless this is RROD round two.
vpance
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Mid spec PC's by 2014/2015 should have around 2TF GPUs with 2-3GB VRAM running at ~200GB/s. Sounds pretty close to PS4 to me, except PS4 should have a bit more flexibility in not having to transfer data between main and GPU memory. Sounds like a no brainer here, to dev for PS4 and PC and devote a small amount of time to make the port to Durango.
...what?
True and I feel most devs will go this route as well. PC/PS4 focus and Durango port alongside if the rumored specs don't change. I hope MS at least bumps the CPU/GPU clocks or add RAM for a better lowest common denominator.
He's joking...I really hope he is..
Agent Ironside
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Not sure if serious...
Well at any rate, they designed KZ:SF around early dev kits. Which I believe only had around 2GB of usable VRAM, maybe even less. Keep in mind, the PS4 was originally going to have 4GB total, around 3.5 usable for games in the final kits.
wat.
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