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[Green Mamba]

Just updated the list, let me know if I missed anyone

I think you missed me.

 

[Neiteio]

I don't suppose it would be possible for someone to make icons of Tharja and The Wonderful 101 (abbreviate: TW101) for my roster?

Here's some source art:

And here's the roster format:

Oh, and here are the templates, including the font and icon backgrounds:

Can someone take the Tharja and TW101 images above and make icons using these templates (complete with their names neatly centered)?

Then my roster will be complete!

Anyone?

 

[IntelliHeath]

I think you missed me.

Is this one? Sorry, I overlooked that.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=57178208&postcount=420


if so, then rule required you to typing out the roster as well.

Thank you, just updated it :3

Updated the list.

 

[Green Mamba]

Is this one? Sorry, I overlooked that.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=57178208&postcount=420


if so, then rule required you to typing out the roster as well.

No, I typed it out earlier in the thread.

 

[IntelliHeath]

No, I typed it out earlier in the thread.

I can't believe that I didn't even see that one. You are added now.

 

[Boss Doggie]

I still think it's cute people think Lucario is "irrelevant".

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

I still think it's cute people think Lucario is "irrelevant".

Maybe Lucario will return as a Pokeball, but with Mewtwo's new forme, I'm fully expecting Mewtwo to make a comeback.

 

[Fidelis Hodie]

Man, if you give me Shulk and Isaac I will be so very, very happy.

These lists are making the wait hurt so much more.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Maybe Lucario will return as a Pokeball, but with Mewtwo's new forme, I'm fully expecting Mewtwo to make a comeback.

It's more to the fact that Pokemon is pretty much as big, if not bigger than, Mario yet people restrict its entries. And again, Lucario is the "whored" Pokemon next to Pikachu since its incarnation.

 

[Fandangox]

I still think it's cute people think Lucario is "irrelevant".

If you mean me I never say he was irrelevant.

I just expect them to add more pokemon reps, but avoiding having too many of them.

They are not going to cut Jigglypuff, one of the Smash 12.

Pikachu is obviously not going to get out of the next one.

Pokemon Trainer its very likely to return as he is the closes to actual Pokemon-gameplay rep there is. Unique way to put 3 characters into 1 slot.

Lucario has a unique moveset and is popular, but its in my opinion the most likely pokemon to get the cut if they are going to cut one.

 

[Gonzo The Great]

It's more to the fact that Pokemon is pretty much as big, if not bigger than, Mario yet people restrict its entries. And again, Lucario is the "whored" Pokemon next to Pikachu since its incarnation.

Nope. But I do agree that Lucario is far from irrelevant, hence why I included him on my list.

 

[Boss Doggie]

I'd say there's no "too many" of them. If anything, 4 slots is not enough. Mario has 4 but with the way how Nintendo treats them, you might as well call them 8 slots (DK, Diddy, Wario and Yoshi).

And I still disagree about your consideration of Wolf being a clone, what with the only clone move he has is Landmaster. Apparently that's a big enough deal to be considered a clone.

 

[SkyOdin]

I still think it's cute people think Lucario is "irrelevant".

I cut Lucario from my roster because I needed to make room for having three Pokemon Trainer characters with multiple Pokemon in addition to Pikachu. Pokemon is great, and is a massive franchise, but I can't justify giving it 10+ characters.

I actually really liked playing as both Lucario in Brawl and Mewtwo in Melee. I just think that having the full set of three Pokemon trainers is more true to the franchise.

 

[Anustart]

Didn't Sakurai state in a manner that adding characters isn't a direction he wanted to take with the new game? Or that it wasn't enough?

Roster count might shock some people if he focuses elsewhere.

 

[Fandangox]

And I still disagree about your consideration of Wolf being a clone, what with the only clone move he has is Landmaster. Apparently that's a big enough deal to be considered a clone.

Only clone move being his Landmaster?

What about his Blaster?

Down+B Shield? That one is closer to Fox's in execution than Falco's.

Up+B Is different from Fox/Falco but its similar enough to worth a mention.

Side+B is basically the same move in execution too.

Some of his basic and aerials are different, then again, so are Falco's and most "clone" characters have moves separating them anyway.

There aren't really "clones" in brawl. Characters with similar moves play very differently and Toon Link - Link are the closest in moveset and they do play pretty differently, but the matter is that Wolf is still the third character with a similar moveset.

 

[SkyOdin]

Wolf is a clone. While he has very different moves than Fox, he is still stuck in the same fundamental design paradigm. He is still an acrobatic hand-to-hand fighter who uses special moves that utilize a blaster, a shield device, and dashing attacks. I will grant that he isn't as bad of a clone as Falco still is, but in order to not be a clone he needs to be built on a different paradigm than Fox.

To start with, they could swap his shield special for a bomb or grenade weapon, give him a rifle to use instead of the pistol blaster (or better yet a charge-able gun instead of a rapid-rife one), have him use the bayonet-equipped gun in his regular A attacks, or give him Lucario's counter move (in case Lucario isn't in the next game).

Wolf does have something going for him in his beastial fighting style. They need to build upon that and further differentiate him from Fox in order to make him more of a character in his own right. And he needs a new Final Smash. I suggest a fly-by strafing by his Star Wolf team buddies.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Only clone move being his Landmaster?

What about his Blaster?

Down+B Shield? That one is closer to Fox's in execution than Falco's.

Up+B Is different from Fox/Falco but its similar enough to worth a mention.

Side+B is basically the same move in execution too.

Some of his basic and aerials are different, then again, so are Falco's and most "clone" characters have moves separating them anyway.

There aren't really "clones" in brawl. Characters with similar moves play very differently and Toon Link - Link are the closest in moveset and they do play pretty differently, but the matter is that Wolf is still the third character with a similar moveset.

His blaster is distinct enough that it has its own name in Japan (Claw Blaster). The fact that it fundamentally functions differently than Fox's or Falco's pretty much make it different (bayonet attack, slow but hard hitting projectile, no rapid fire). It's like saying Pit's Arrow is a clone of Link's Arrow.

Wolf's reflector is more of a quick dodge with reflective properties. It's used more for negating attacks with its invulnerability frames than being used as an offense or reflection.

Wolf Shoot (it's not Wolf Fire, silly English translators) is the only distinct clone move, and it's a terrible move and I agree that it should be altered.

Wolf Flash is actually different than Phantasm or Illusion. It's not just the angle, but the fact that it can "ghost" through platforms when at certain levels, or have different damage and knockback effects, and the fact that it can give Wolf a huge horizontal recovery when canceled makes it more akin to Green Cannon than Fox's or Falco's.

And it's not some - all of his normals are distinct.

 

[Fandangox]

His blaster is distinct enough that it has its own name in Japan (Claw Blaster). The fact that it fundamentally functions differently than Fox's or Falco's pretty much make it different (bayonet attack, slow but hard hitting projectile, no rapid fire). It's like saying Pit's Arrow is a clone of Link's Arrow.

Yes. I already stated that characters having similar/same moves doesn't mean they will function the same way. That's why I said there were no real clones in Brawl.

Basically the point I was trying to make was better phrased already here:

Wolf is a clone. While he has very different moves than Fox, he is still stuck in the same fundamental design paradigm.

Wolf's reflector is more of a quick dodge with reflective properties. It's used more for negating attacks with its invulnerability frames than being used as an offense or reflection.

Wolf Shoot (it's not Wolf Fire, silly English translators) is the only distinct clone move, and it's a terrible move and I agree that it should be altered.

Wolf Flash is actually different than Phantasm or Illusion. It's not just the angle, but the fact that it can "ghost" through platforms when at certain levels, or have different damage and knockback effects, and the fact that it can give Wolf a huge horizontal recovery when canceled makes it more akin to Green Cannon than Fox's or Falco's.

And it's not some - all of his normals are distinct.

Yeah as I said. They function/are executed differently. But they are still similar in design and concept. That's what the whole point was.

 

[Wichu]

Characters (12 new)
1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Bowser
4. Peach
5. Yoshi
6. Donkey Kong
7. Diddy Kong
8. King K. Rool (Donkey Kong Country)
9. Wario
10. Link
11. Toon Link
12/13. Zelda/Sheik
14. Ganondorf
15. Captain Falcon
16. Olimar
17. Kirby
18. Meta Knight
19. King Dedede
20. Marth
21. Chrom (replaces Ike) (Fire Emblem: Awakening)
22. Ness
23. Lucas
24. Pikachu
25. Jigglypuff
26. Lucario
27/28/29. Pokémon Trainer (Ivysaur/Charizard/Squirtle)
30. Mewtwo (Pokémon)
31. Fox
32. Falco
33. Wolf
34/35. Samus/Zero Suit Samus
36. Ridley (Metroid)
37. Pit
38. Palutena (Kid Icarus)
39. Game & Watch
40. Little Mac (Punch-Out)
41. R.O.B.
42. Ice Climbers
43. Takamaru (Mysterious Murasame Castle)
44. Shulk (Xenoblade Chronicles)
45. Snake
46. Sonic
47. Tails (Sonic)
48. Pac-Man (Pac-Man)
49. Mega Man (Mega Man)
50. Bayonetta (Bayonetta)

Assist Trophies
1. Hades (Kid Icarus: Uprising)
2. Magnus (Kid Icarus: Uprising)
3. Mallo (Pushmo/Pullblox)
4. Dillon (Dillon's Rolling Western)
5. Tempo (Harmoknight)
6. Rosalina (Super Mario Galaxy)
7. Professor Layton (Professor Layton)
8. Riki (Xenoblade Chronicles)
9. Eggman (Sonic)
10. Inky/Pinky/Blinky/Clyde (Pac-Man)

Poké Balls
1. Xerneas
2. Yveltal
3. Reshiram
4. Zekrom
5. Zoroark
6. Shaymin
7. Victini
8. Grovyle
9. Eevee
10. Arceus

Stages
1. Spaceship Mario (Super Mario Galaxy 2)
2. Skyloft (Zelda: Skyward Sword)
3. (Pokémon X/Y stage)
4. Bowser's Castle (Mario)
5. Junks (Xenoblade Chronicles)
6. Murasame Castle (Mysterious Murasame Castle)
7. Chaos Vortex (Kid Icarus: Uprising)
8. Nintendo Land (Nintendo Land)

Items
1. Eggplant Bomb (Kid Icarus: Uprising)
2. Cloaking Device (Starfox)
3. DK Barrel (Donkey Kong Country)
4. Fishing Rod (Animal Crossing)
5. Raccoon Leaf (Mario)

And just because:

DLC Characters
1. Genesect (Pokémon)
2. Lucina (Fire Emblem: Awakening)
3. Viridi (Kid Icarus: Uprising)
4. Medusa (Kid Icarus: Uprising)
5. Ghirahim (Zelda: Skyward Sword)
6. Fiora (Xenoblade Chronicles)
7. Toon Zelda/Tetra (Zelda: Wind Waker)
8. Roy (Fire Emblem)
9. Ike (returns from Brawl)
10. Deoxys (Pokémon)

New Final Smashes (only for characters whose games I've played; I need to play more games!)
1. Mewtwo - 'Newtwo'
2. Pit - Great Sacred Treasure
3. Palutena - Centurion Army (Pit's final in Brawl)
4. Shulk - Monado Buster
5. Tails - Tails Mecha
6. Pac-Man - Power Pellet
7. Genesect - Super Techno Blast
8. Viridi - Reset Bomb
9. Medusa - Monster Form
10. Fiora - Nemesis
11. Deoxys - Form Change Combo

Story Mode Bosses
1. Hewdraw (Kid Icarus: Uprising)
2. Biolizard (Sonic Adventure 2)
3. Magolor (Kirby: Return to Dream Land)
4. Metal Face (Xenoblade Chronicles)
5. Giratina (Pokémon)

 

[TWILT]

Anyone?

Eh, I got bored so:

 

[SkyOdin]

Okay Wichu, why do you have both Shulk as a character and the Monado as an item? I can certainly understand wanting to have Shulk as a character (I listed him, too), and I can understand the Monado as an excellent replacement for the old Beam Sword, but having both at the same time seems problematic. Shulk's moveset would have to be built around using the Monado. Having someone else swinging around the Monado alongside Shulk, or Shulk picking up a second Monado are just strange results.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Yes. I already stated that characters having similar/same moves doesn't mean they will function the same way. That's why I said there were no real clones in Brawl.

Basically the point I was trying to make was better phrased already here:

Yeah as I said. They function/are executed differently. But they are still similar in design and concept. That's what the whole point was.

Shared universes and whatnot. I always consider normal moves to be the bulk over special moves since you use normal moves a lot more.

 

[Fandangox]

Shared universes and whatnot. I always consider normal moves to be the bulk over special moves since you use normal moves a lot more.

Of course. However, Special Movesets are meant to represent the franchise or character more than normal moves do, as it is usually they flagship/trademark moves being used there.

Which is why I guess the 3 Star Fox characters have similar specials, since they don't have much Out-of-Vehicle gameplay. I guess they could have given Falco/Wolf some Assault weapons. Wolf having the Assault Jetpack as a recovery move would have been funny.

 

[Wichu]

Okay Wichu, why do you have both Shulk as a character and the Monado as an item? I can certainly understand wanting to have Shulk as a character (I listed him, too), and I can understand the Monado as an excellent replacement for the old Beam Sword, but having both at the same time seems problematic. Shulk's moveset would have to be built around using the Monado. Having someone else swinging around the Monado alongside Shulk, or Shulk picking up a second Monado are just strange results.

Fair point, I didn't think of that. I was having problems thinking of items... Anyway, I'll think of something else.

EDIT: Return of Cloaking Device!

 

[Neiteio]

Eh, I got bored so:

YOU ARE THE MAN!

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU!!!

 

[Azure J]

Slowly kicking my list into high gear, what's everyone else think? Also, +1 for team Tharja. Smash needs more magic.

 

[Neiteio]

OK, here's the latest roster, updated one more time -- 89 slots, plus Random, spanning 102 characters (no new additions -- just the definitive version with the new icons plus Lissa and Ray 01):

Again, the characters you don't see: Wolf Link & Midna (part of Link); Ganon (part of Ganondorf); Deku Link, Goron Link, and Zora Link, part of Masks Link; Awakened Mewtwo, part of Mewtwo; and Defense, Neutral, Attack, and Speed Deoxys.

 

[NeonZ]

Yeah as I said. They function/are executed differently. But they are still similar in design and concept. That's what the whole point was.

The animations are different, the mechanics are different, so you're pretty much left with his "concept" being similar to Fox's, which I think was the whole point of including him like that in the first place.

They could have given them Assault weapons if they wanted to represent the Star Fox games, but I think the primary intention behind Wolf in Brawl was actually adding a new "Smash Bros Fox" character to the game, due to Fox's and Falco's popularity in Melee, a fighter with the same basic concepts as Fox, but animated and played differently.

 

[SkyOdin]

The animations are different, the mechanics are different, so you're pretty much left with his "concept" being similar to Fox's, which I think was the whole point of including him like that in the first place.

They could have given them Assault weapons if they wanted to represent the Star Fox games, but I think the primary intention behind Wolf in Brawl was actually adding a new "Smash Bros Fox" character to the game, due to Fox's and Falco's popularity in Melee, a fighter with the same basic concepts as Fox, but animated and played differently.

Wanting to make a character with the same basic concept of Fox feels like a dubious goal. I can understand it for legacy characters, such as Ryu and Ken of Street Fighter fame, since one was originally a Player 2 palette swap of the other. However, when introducing a whole new character into a fighter who isn't from a fighting game, there isn't any particularly good excuse to so heavily copy a character already on the roster. I mean, we already have Fox. Why make more versions of Fox?

 

[Neiteio]

The animations are different, the mechanics are different, so you're pretty much left with his "concept" being similar to Fox's, which I think was the whole point of including him like that in the first place.

They could have given them Assault weapons if they wanted to represent the Star Fox games, but I think the primary intention behind Wolf in Brawl was actually adding a new "Smash Bros Fox" character to the game, due to Fox's and Falco's popularity in Melee, a fighter with the same basic concepts as Fox, but animated and played differently.

I suspect you're right. Fox/Falco/Wolf are basically Ryu/Ken/Akuma.

 

[IntelliHeath]

I suspect you're right. Fox/Falco/Wolf are basically Ryu/Ken/Akuma.

That's what I have been saying that for awhile. That's why Krystal will be our Sakura. Slippy = Dan.

 

[Neiteio]

That's what I have been saying that for awhile. That's why Krystal will be our Sakura. Slippy = Dan.

Yep. And for similar reasons, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect at least Chrom and Lucina in addition to Marth, Roy and Ike. The FE lords were super-popular in Melee and Brawl, and they can tweak their individual fighting styles enough so that they're distinct while still adhering to a core focus on swordplay.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Wanting to make a character with the same basic concept of Fox feels like a dubious goal. I can understand it for legacy characters, such as Ryu and Ken of Street Fighter fame, since one was originally a Player 2 palette swap of the other. However, when introducing a whole new character into a fighter who isn't from a fighting game, there isn't any particularly good excuse to so heavily copy a character already on the roster. I mean, we already have Fox. Why make more versions of Fox?

Ahh but Fox is just "fast martial arts" which Falco has. Wolf is pure bestial.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

OK, here's the latest roster, updated one more time -- 89 slots, plus Random, spanning 102 characters (no new additions -- just the definitive version with the new icons plus Lissa and Ray 01):

Again, the characters you don't see: Wolf Link & Midna (part of Link); Ganon (part of Ganondorf); Deku Link, Goron Link, and Zora Link, part of Masks Link; Awakened Mewtwo, part of Mewtwo; and Defense, Neutral, Attack, and Speed Deoxys.

If you're going to go balls out you may as well include a couple more unlikely's like Rayman an a SE-rep to round the 3rd parties off. Gotta work in that pretty Ubisoft art assets and Uematsu's other music in someway.

 

[deafsox987]

I decided to name it Super Smash Bros. Recover in honor of the meme "Sakurai, you must recover!" and it may be a fitting title to improve the "misdeeds" of Super Smash Bros. Brawl. With that, here's the list of my predictions below:

SUPER SMASH BROS. RECOVER CHARACTERS TOTAL - 58 characters

Mario

- Mario
- Peach
- Bowser
- Paper Mario

Luigi

- Luigi (Poltergust)
- King Boo

The Legend of Zelda

- Link
- Zelda / Sheik
- Ganondorf
- Toon Link
- Ghirahim

Pokemon

- Pikachu
- Jigglypuff
- Pokemon Trainer (Charizard, Ivysaur, Squirtle)
- Mewtwo (New Forme)

Donkey Kong

- Donkey Kong
- Diddy Kong

Metroid

- Samus / Zero Suit Samus

Yoshi

- Yoshi
- Baby Bowser

Kirby

- Kirby
- King Dedede
- Metaknight
- Prince Fluffy

Star Fox

- Fox
- Falco
- Wolf

Mother

- Ness
- Lucas

F-Zero

- Captain Falcon

Ice Climbers

- Ice Climbers

Kid Icarus

- Pit
- Dark Pit
- Palutena

Fire Emblem

- Marth
- Chrom

Pikmin

- Captain Olimar

Wario

- Wario
- Captain Syrup

Game & Watch

- Mr. Game & Watch

R.O.B.

- R.O.B.

Xenoblade

- Shulk

Punch-Out!

- Little Mac

Golden Sun

- Isaac

Sin & Punishment

- Saki Amamiya

Wonderful 101

- Unnamed main character (with red costume and black mask)

Sonic the Hedgehog

- Sonic

Metal Gear

- Snake

Murasame’s Mysterious Castle

- Takamaru

Pac-Man

- Pac-Man

Tekken

- Heihachi

Mega Man

- Mega Man

Street Fighter

- Ryu

Ace Attorney

- Phoenix Wright


ASSIST TROPHIES

- Tiki Tong (Donkey Kong Country Returns)
- Yin-Yarn (Kirby’s Epic Yarn)
- Adam Malkovich (Metroid: Other M)
- Mii (specific shirt colors create different attacks)
- Pokemon Ranger
- Shadow Mario / Bowser Jr. (Super Mario Sunshine; reveal himself at end of his attack)
- Rosalina (Super Mario Galaxy)
- Eggplant Wizard (Kid Icarus)
- Crimson Loftwing (Skyward Sword)
- Mechon (Xenoblade)

POKEBALLS

- Zoroark
- Darkrai
- Kyurem
- Genesect
- Arceus
- Yveltal
- Xerneas
- Unnamed “Z” Legendary Pokemon in X/Y Versions
- Bidoof
- Oshawott

STAGES

- Levias (Skyward Sword)
- Toad Town (Paper Mario)
- Wonderful 101 stage (Wonderful 101)
- Murasame Castle (Murasame’s Mysterious Castle)
- Treacherous Mansion (Luigi’s Mansion: Dark Moon)
- Dragonspiral Tower (Pokemon Black / White)
- Starship Mario (Super Mario Galaxy 2)
- Patch Land (Kirby’s Epic Yarn)

ITEMS

- Master Ball (Pokemon; once caught an opponent, you throw the ball down a pit to death)
- Bow (Kid Icarus)
- Yarn (Kirby’s Epic Yarn)
- Ice Flower (Super Mario Galaxy)
- Cursed Medal (Skyward Sword)

 

[SmithnCo]

Saki would be one of the most exciting characters for me if he was in. He has an obvious and awesome final smash too, with the ruffian form. At the very least I hope there's a S&P stage...

 

[IntelliHeath]

Alright I just got 3DS XL a month ago or so. Right now, I just beat Chapter 16 in Kid Icarus: Uprising. I love the game so far, so I'm curious about Palutena. Many people want her in the game due to her popularity but I haven't seen her attacks and moves in the game yet.

I can see Medusa being playable character for now. 9-10 more chapters to go!

Edited: Don't spoil me

 

[DaBoss]

Alright I just got 3DS XL a month ago or so. Right now, I just beat Chapter 16 in Kid Icarus: Uprising. I love the game so far, so I'm curious about Palutena. Many people want her in the game due to her personality, but I haven't seen her attacks and moves in the game yet.

I can see Medusa being playable character for now. 9-10 more chapters to go!

It is in Chapter

Spoiler

20.

 

[SmithnCo]

Alright I just got 3DS XL a month ago or so. Right now, I just beat Chapter 16 in Kid Icarus: Uprising. I love the game so far, so I'm curious about Palutena. Many people want her in the game due to her popularity but I haven't seen her attacks and moves in the game yet.

I can see Medusa being playable character for now. 9-10 more chapters to go!

Edited: Don't spoil me

Just keep playing, game's awesome.

You'll definitely see some Palutena stuff soon.

 

[Frolow]

Alright I just got 3DS XL a month ago or so. Right now, I just beat Chapter 16 in Kid Icarus: Uprising. I love the game so far, so I'm curious about Palutena. Many people want her in the game due to her popularity but I haven't seen her attacks and moves in the game yet.

I can see Medusa being playable character for now. 9-10 more chapters to go!

Edited: Don't spoil me

I agree. Palutena seems more fit for a Final Smash or Assistance trophy.

 

[SmithnCo]

I wanted Medusa too, before KI:U actually came out and

Spoiler

Hades

stole the villain show.

I honestly think Palutena is a lock though.

 

[astarisborn94]

@Neiteio: Not a supporter of Professor Layton, but I wouldn't mind if he got in. Could be interesting to see how they incorporate his puzzle elements.

I understand and frankly even if they have the same moves they play very different from each other (i.e TL - Link).

But he is still the third character with a shared moveset (the only one if I recall correctly) so depending on how much its being directly taken from Brawl I can see Falco being favored over Wolf, but that's just me.

I don't think Sakurai cuts characters based on if they were a clone or not, especially when having clone potential contributed to Ganondorf's inclusion.

I think Sakurai will be a lot more weary of cuts come SSB4, barring a possible reboot to the roster (which I see as unlikely). It's because the characters in Brawl are a lot stronger than the characters in Melee in overall quality (Pichu, Young Link and Dr. Mario were cut material no matter how you looked at it).

The thing that Lucario has going for him is his unique moveset. I think Nintendo doesn't want to have that many Pokemon characters (I have no basis for this). So if they are going to include a "Movie Pokemon" I could see Zoroark or whatever Bipedal Gen 6 equivalent there is being put in there, but taking out Lucario to avoid a pokemon "overload".

I think Zoroark's time have passed to get in given that he's no longer the face of the current gen. As for a 6th gen rep, I think it's much more likely that Mewtwo will represents it when it comes to characters. I'd imagine Mewtwo will get in with his new form in some way (thinking it'll be a Final Smash transformation).

Maybe Lucario will return as a Pokeball, but with Mewtwo's new forme, I'm fully expecting Mewtwo to make a comeback.

I don't see why Lucario and Mewtwo can't co-exist, especially when we were planned to have seven, if not eight Pokemon characters (transformation included).

Slowly kicking my list into high gear, what's everyone else think? Also, +1 for team Tharja. Smash needs more magic.

More or less suggestions to improve your roster than anything.

- I highly doubt that Daisy will be in. There are several Mario reps that are more popular than her and she's not important to Mario in the grand scheme of things. Drop her and if you're going to add a Mario character, Toad, Bowser Jr., Paper Mario and Dr. Mario are more likely.

- Dixie Kong is a good choice, but I'd suggest adding King K. Rool, since he's extremely highly requested to get in and is the most important character next to Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong. I'd be very surprised if K. Rool missed out.

- Medusa is probably not happening. Her role in Kid Icarus; Uprising did not turn out to be all that important (Hades overshadowed him) and with low requests for a Kid Icarus character in general aside from Palutena, I see us only getting Pit and Palutena this game.

- Really don't see Tharja happening. If there's going to be four Fire Emblem slots, Roy should be added to the list due to being one of the very most wanted characters in Japan and being planned to return for Brawl.

- I only see us getting one Pokémon Trainer and that's Red himself. Absolutely not seeing that we will get four more characters than the last one (the most we've increased spots for a franchise was three in Melee), so cut the Pokémon Rival.

- Captain Syrup isn't too bad of an idea, but most people just care about Wario. Drop her.

- I think Samurai Goroh is more likely due to more popularity overall (mainly in the West though) and being more recognizable, but Black Shadow could happen.

- If we get a Sin & Punishment rep, it'll be Saki due to Sakurai's fondness for the character and how Sin & Punishment influenced Kid Icarus: Uprising. Replace Isa + Kaichi with Saki.

- Mike Jones I don't see happening due to being western-only. Drop him and add Mach Rider for a second retro rep.

- I absolutely can't picture a Wonderful rep getting in, especially when there are other more likely third-party choices. Drop him and if you want a 2nd third-party, Layton or a Namco rep would be more likely.

 

[Neiteio]

If you're going to go balls out you may as well include a couple more unlikely's like Rayman an a SE-rep to round the 3rd parties off. Gotta work in that pretty Ubisoft art assets and Uematsu's other music in someway.

You asked for it!

TOTAL: 98 slot spanning 111 characters:

This is a pure fanboy dream scenario, mind you, where Nintendo reacquires the Banjo-Kazooie IP (hence the inclusion of Banjo-Kazooie, Mumbo Jumbo and Gruntilda). Also, Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance: Final Cut Edition releases on WiiU (hence Raiden), and Square-Enix releases a 3DS-exclusive remake of FFVI (hence Terra and Kefka) and a WiiU-exclusive remake of FFVII (hence Cloud and Sephiroth).

Yep.

Ten third-party "guest franchises" (Sonic, Mega Man, Pac-Man, Bomberman, Castlevania, Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Professor Layton, Ace Attorney, and Bayonetta) owned by six third-parties (Sega, Capcom, Namco-Bandai, Konami, Level-5, and Square-Enix).

Hey man, you asked for it.

 

[astarisborn94]

Shorts's poll has just reached 2000 votes.

Here are the current results (as of 2000 votes):

Mega Man - 1080
Mewtwo - 968
Ridley - 699
King K. Rool - 694
Little Mac - 681
Waluigi - 582
Isaac - 561
Bowser Jr. - 548
Roy - 541
Ghirahim - 503
Palutena - 491
Chrom - 452
Zoroark - 446
Krystal - 442
Shulk - 421
Pac-Man - 419
Geno - 380
Toad - 334
Dixie Kong - 286
Takamaru - 263
Samurai Goroh - 244
Saki Amamiya - 236
Bandanna Dee - 213
Black Shadow - 207
Mona - 176

 

[SkyOdin]

Shorts's poll has just reached 2000 votes.

Here are the current results (as of 2000 votes):

Mega Man - 1080
Mewtwo - 968
Ridley - 699
King K. Rool - 694
Little Mac - 681
Waluigi - 582
Isaac - 561
Bowser Jr. - 548
Roy - 541
Ghirahim - 503
Palutena - 491
Chrom - 452
Zoroark - 446
Krystal - 442
Shulk - 421
Pac-Man - 419
Geno - 380
Toad - 334
Dixie Kong - 286
Takamaru - 263
Samurai Goroh - 244
Saki Amamiya - 236
Bandanna Dee - 213
Black Shadow - 207
Mona - 176

Just checked out that poll. Saying that these characters are the definitive top 25 newcomers seems a little... unsubstantiated. Where has this poll been primarily advertised or organized?

 

[IntelliHeath]

Just beat Kid Icarus: Uprising.

I'm not sure how Palutena would function as playable character since most of her moveset would base on magics. I could see that she would use force field, lightning, laser balls and etc but I'm not sure if she would be that great character. Medusa should be playable character as well since she can be half-clone of Palutena based on magic move set.

Hades is so awesome and he should be playable character because I can see a lot of potential in him.

Viridis would be perfect AT with her reset bomb.

I really enjoyed the game and it was just awesome. I can't wait to replay the game again.

 

[Vidiot]

I would just want everyone from Brawl to return plus the return of Mewtwo. New characters I'd really love to see would be Ridley, Little Mac, Megaman, Palutena, and my long shot would be Skull Kid from Majora's Mask. Anyone after that would be icing on the cake.

 

[Valjean Lafitte]

List edited 6/4/2013

Characters (51)

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
3. Wario
4. Zelda
5. Link
6. Ghirahim
7. Diddy Kong
8. Chrom
9. Captain Falcon
10. Fox McCloud
11. Pit
12. Hades
13. Yoshi
14. Kirby
15. Samus/Zero Suit Samus
16. Meta Knight
17. Magnus
18. Sonic
19. Snake
20. Marth
21. Ness
22. Donkey Kong
23. Bowser
24. Bayonetta
25. Pikachu
26. Dark Pit
27. Toon Link
28. Mii
29. Bowser Jr.
30. Ice Climbers
31. Olimar
32. Pac-Man
33. Mr. Game & Watch
34. Tails
35. Toon Zelda/Tetra
36. Takamaru
37. Little Mac
38. Tom Nook
39. Palutena
40. Wolf O' Donnell
41. Tingle
42. Mike Jones
43. Waluigi
44. Princess Daisy
45. Rosalina
46. Medusa
47. Dig-Dug
48. Siegfried/Nightmare
49. Mitsurugi
50. Paper Mario
51. Mewtwo (New XY version)

Assist Trophies

Digger D. Mole (Mole-Mania)
Mother Brain (Super Metroid)
Pandora (Kid Icarus: Uprising)
Viridi (Kid Icarus: Uprising)
Phosphora (Kid Icarus: Uprising)
Centurion Army (Kid Icarus: Uprising)
Wanda (Mario & Wario)
Rosalina (Super Mario Galaxy)
Knuckles (Sonic series)
Stanley the Bugman (Donkey Kong 3)


Pokéballs


Unannounced XY Pokemon
Unannounced XY Pokemon
Unannounced XY Pokemon
Snivy
Samurott
Victini
Pignite
Zoroark
Lucario
Xerneas


Stages

Gangplank Galleon (Donkey Kong Country)
Murasame Castle (Nazo no Murasame J&#333
Dark World (Link to the Past)
Bob-Omb Battlefield (Super Mario 64)
City Escape (Sonic Adventure 2)
Vigrid (Bayonetta)
Skyloft (Skyward Sword)
Pac-Man Maze

Items

Ice Rod (Link to the Past)
Fire Rod (Link to the Past)
Poltergust (Luigi's Mansion)
Eggplant Bomb (Kid Icarus)
Blue Shell (Mario Kart)

 

[SkyOdin]

Just beat Kid Icarus: Uprising.

I'm not sure how Palutena would function as playable character since most of her moveset would base on magics. I could see that she would use force field, lightning, laser balls and etc but I'm not sure if she would be that great character. Medusa should be playable character as well since she can be half-clone of Palutena based on magic move set.

Hades is so awesome and he should be playable character because I can see a lot of potential in him.

Viridis would be perfect AT with her reset bomb.

I really enjoyed the game and it was just awesome. I can't wait to replay the game again.

Arguably, anything that is a Power in KI:U could be part of Palutena's moveset, since they are all explicitly blessings she grants to Pit. This includes quite a few attack Powers. Not to mention her abilities to set up grind-rails or call in vehicles. They have done a great job in Smash Bros. of creating great characters using less material to work with.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Arguably, anything that is a Power in KI:U could be part of Palutena's moveset, since they are all explicitly blessings she grants to Pit. This includes quite a few attack Powers. Not to mention her abilities to set up grind-rails or call in vehicles. They have done a great job in Smash Bros. of creating great characters using less material to work with.

Yeah, you could be right about that.

I wish that it could be Super Smash Bros 4 x Kid Icarus with like 8-10 playable characters from KI:U

Pit
Dark Pit/ Pittoo
Palutena
Viridi
Hades
Marcus

Spoiler

Amazon Pandora
Pyrrhon
Phosphora
Thanatos
Poseidon