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[Mindwipe]

The DVR thing from the verge is wrong. You can absolutely see what is recorded on a networked TiVo for example, over LAN. And start a program playing. Including TiVo in the UK from virgin.

Not on the Xbox, just generally. So MS could do it on at least some devices

It'd take some effort and the addressable market would be small, but you'd be able to search/pin recorded content as well as scheduled live TV which would be fairly compelling for me personally



Does anyone know if voice search can search across services (Netflix etc) and the live guide at the same time, or do you have to do it separately?

It's not an open API, Microsoft don't have access to it unless they're able to cut a deal with the box provider.

Why would a box provider let Microsoft have access to said API for a service like that which was presented yesterday?

So for example, Virgin - why would they let Microsoft take their EPG listings, which they're normally able to sell their own VOD PPV services against, and let Microsoft pull those listings out and put them inside the Xbox Dashboard, next to the Zune Video Store, from which Virgin makes no money?

They'd be daft to.

 

[Brannon]

Man, thought it was pretty obvious that you'd need another cable box to even take advantage of all those nifty TV features. No cable company in their right mind would give away their cable codes, especially to a company trying to nudge themselves right into their market.

Still using an IR blaster, though. Now I AM surprised at that, since I thought since they were doing this, that they had figured out a solution. But no.

No.

It's still the IR blaster. Get the hell out of here with that shit.

 

[aeolustl]

How can Xbox one control the cable box if they are connected through HDMI only?

 

[LCfiner]

I thought I heard that some new boxes have HDMI control so the IR blaster wouldn't be needed for those particular cases? I think that was the type of scenario MS was demoing.

Anything to that? Of course, if that feature does exist, I have no idea how many boxes would support it and how new it is (ie: would only, say, 20% of installed cable boxes use it and the rest would need the IR blaster?)

 

[oVerde]

NOW this is bad. If the so promoted feature doesn't come with the product this is a mess.

Guys! Torches and Forks!We must go to Redmond!

 

[mightynine]

How was the demo fake?

Considering he pulled up a NBA game on ESPN that wasn't on ESPN at the time, and showed a fantasy basketball score sidebar updating for a game that wasn't on at the time, how was it not?

 

[AndyD]

The DVR thing from the verge is wrong. You can absolutely see what is recorded on a networked TiVo for example, over LAN. And start a program playing. Including TiVo in the UK from virgin.

Not on the Xbox, just generally. So MS could do it on at least some devices

It'd take some effort and the addressable market would be small, but you'd be able to search/pin recorded content as well as scheduled live TV which would be fairly compelling for me personally



Does anyone know if voice search can search across services (Netflix etc) and the live guide at the same time, or do you have to do it separately?

You can only if Tivo or whatever other box you have lets you. And MS has not announced any partnerships or supported devices or providers whatsoever. The right way would have been to announce it will work with all these most popular devices, much like they announced all the VOD/streaming services.

 

[speculawyer]

How else was it going to work? Obviously you have to plug your existing box into it. The idea is that you don't have to change inputs.

This. We have all sorts of different cable, satellite, and terrestrial television distribution systems. You can't handle them all. So you have the people get the one for the system they use.

 

[Toki767]

How can Xbox one control the cable box if they are connected through HDMI only?

Cable boxes that support HDMI pass through can be controlled. It's kind of like the concept of Sony's Bravia Sync where you turn everything on at the same time I think.

Basically only the newer cable box models.

 

[mackattk]

Really should have had a coax input for purple with basic cable/satellite. Would have actually been a real selling point.

Only thing I miss with digital cable is a channel guide. If this thing supported a coax cable then I might actually want it.

 

[-PXG-]

I thought this was obvious. The console has a HDMI in port. You feed data from your cable box into the Xbox.

It's still retarded. Why would on Earth would I want to do that?

 

[DominoKid]

The fuck???

 

[The Bookerman]

That confirms my suspicions. All of the TV watching was faked.

Well no shit.


Also, I think nintendo TVii does it better than this shit

And TVii at least worked in canada.

 

[Kunan]

Doesn't the Wii U allow for viewing and controlling of TiVo DVRs? Crazy if MS hasn't added that yet.

 

[Raxus]

I thought this was obvious. The console has a HDMI in port. You feed data from your cable box into the Xbox.

It's still retarded. Why would on Earth would I want to do that?

To have a really ineffectual remote.

XBox ESPN!

No Xbox...Not Spike...ESPN

No Xbox not ESPN2...

 

[Zabant]

They really are just handing europe and japan to sony aren't they?

 

[RELIGHT]

Why is this seemingly outrage worthy? The Xbox One will not be a Service Provider, it's just a tool to facilitate different mediums. It's common sense that you'd need some kind of cable box for it to work right? I think people are making more of this than it really is.

 

[Pop]

So if I wanted to watch TV, you're telling me I have to plug in this device into my Xbox1 to be able to enjoy live TV.

or I could just turn my TV on

Ok Microsoft -__-

 

[Marty Chinn]

Well no shit.


Also, I think nintendo TVii does it better than this shit

And TVii at least worked in canada.

TVii is pretty bad so I doubt it works better than this.

So if I wanted to watch TV, you're telling me I have to plug in this device into my Xbox1 to be able to enjoy live TV.

or I could just turn my TV on

Ok Microsoft -__-

The idea is you would never have to fiddle around with switching around things. All you'd ever have to do is turn it on and everything is at the same spot. It's kinda like how my TV never has to change inputs because I have a receiver handling all of that.

 

[Toki767]

Why is this seemingly outrage worthy? The Xbox One will not be a Service Provider, it's just a tool to facilitate different mediums. It's common sense that you'd need some kind of cable box for it to work right? I think people are making more of this than it really is.

Because it's billed as an All In One device. Not a "Plug in 3 separate devices" device.

 

[soul creator]

The IPTV app on my 360's has full access to my DVR (programming and playback). It even uses Kinect voice commands to do basic controls.

It is sounding like if I upgrade then I lose all of that for the XBONE's ass-backwards solution.

No thanks.

if it's just an app, why wouldn't that also be on the Xbox One? It's not like they're getting rid of separate TV apps (well, I would hope not at least, lol).

I never saw the HDMI-in stuff as replacement for what's already there, just an addition for all the folks that still do have existing separate boxes.

 

[mightynine]

Why is this seemingly outrage worthy? The Xbox One will not be a Service Provider, it's just a tool to facilitate different mediums. It's common sense that you'd need some kind of cable box for it to work right? I think people are making more of this than it really is.

Because the only worthwhile benefit to the consumer at this point is you could put two devices on one HDMI input. Quite the selling point, no?

 

[QaaQer]

How else was TV going to come straight into the device? Are you kidding me with the faux outrage? Jesus

outrage? I see derision.

 

[kdash7]

Holy fuck, I wanna support the Xone but this is just outrageous. They might as well sell a different console outside the US since half the features wont be available at launch for non-US

Exactly fkin this!!!! Its like MS is telling other countries to fk off..

 

[Portugeezer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGQaH3-LK54

 

[WhiskeyKnight]

So the Xbox One doesn't have DVR functionality?!?

Good God, what a cluster.

 

[davepoobond]

Xboned again.

Sounds pretty dumbly designed as far as this goes.

 

[DigitalOp]

If Microsoft would have done it right, the cable companies wouldn't have been able to do shit about it. There are federal laws/regulations on DVR devices. Cable companies have to let you "bring your own box." If the Xbox One was a DVR itself, the cable companies couldn't have stopped them. And consumers would have been able to ditch the lousy DVR rental fee (likely in the neighborhood of $250 a year), thus helping to justify the cost of an Xbox One.

This so fucking much. Its like MS didn't see the fool proof way to go about this. Literally the quoted is how MS would have conquered the world possibly.

 

[mackattk]

This so fucking much. Its like MS didn't see the fool proof way to go about this. Literally the quoted is how MS would have conquered the world possibly.

True, would have been better with cable card support. Get rid of the expensive clunky DVR with a sluggish antiqueted interface and save a couple bucks a month.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Lmaooooo

 

[MikeE21286]

Title worded real damn weird lol.

Read like they'd take it away from the US at a later point

 

[fart town usa]

This reminds me of Sega during the genesis.

TV tuners, sega-cd, 32x, pico, etc.

Just a giant cluster fu..


I'm sure some will love the XbOne and its new features but it doesn't appeal to me in the slightest.

To each their own.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

Why is this seemingly outrage worthy? The Xbox One will not be a Service Provider, it's just a tool to facilitate different mediums. It's common sense that you'd need some kind of cable box for it to work right? I think people are making more of this than it really is.

Because it's not an 'all in one' device if you need to plug other devices into it, it simply serves as a (pointless and fucking expensive) pretty overlay between you and the content you're watching. At a basic level it's pretty much Kinect TV functionality - not the evolution in home entertainment that MS are selling it as.

 

[inner-G]

Will it still work for games if you don't have a cable box?

 

[Struct09]

How can Xbox one control the cable box if they are connected through HDMI only?

HDMI CEC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#CEC

 

[Glorified G]

I need a yearly subscritpion to xbox live & a monthly cable subscription to use this. Not to mention a big brother mandatory style Kinect availability & daily authentication to the internet just for permission. I could mention having games tied to your hardware & account limiting existing property rights we have but it's not exactly related to this thread.

Bullshit, on top of bullshit on top of bullshit on top of bullshit on top of bullshit.

 

[Alebrije]

They really are just handing europe and japan to sony aren't they?

AndlLatinamerican , yea we are mergin/small markets but pretty sure Mexico /Brasil Markets are bigger than a lot of European countries

 

[Carpe Diem]

But, but I thought Microsoft were working on a video game console? What happened???

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Why you do dis?!?

It requires cable or whatever then.

 

[Mr.Wreckless]

Exactly fkin this!!!! Its like MS is telling other countries to fk off..

Its as if MS is going to have to sell games to the people who cant use the other features. How about we wait until they show the games at E3 before we discuss who is being told to do what.

LOL at MS handing Europe and Japan to Sony because of features the Sony console wont be able to bring to their country either.

 

[MikeE21286]

Will it still work for games if you don't have a cable box?

Legitimate question ...

 

[coldfoot]

Will it still work for games if you don't have a cable box?

Yes, by routing a PS4/PS3/360/WiiU through the HDMI input.

 

[ToxicAdam]

MS did it backwards. They should have had their opening presentation be all the games and game-related functionality THEN another presser that showed all this other media center shit.

So now they have to sit in their own shit soup of bad press until E3.

 

[AndyD]

Cable boxes that support HDMI pass through can be controlled. It's kind of like the concept of Sony's Bravia Sync where you turn everything on at the same time I think.

Basically only the newer cable box models.

A quick search and I see that none of the Motorola boxes for Comcast have CEC enabled HDMI outputs and do not allow IP control.

For those not aware, Comcast is the largest cable provider in the US, and Motorola is providing virtually all cable boxes for them.

So looks like its IR blaster only if you have Comcast cable.

 

[Javaman]

VCR overlays have been around for how long now?

 

[Guevara]

I can't be the only person who uses consoles as a source of media (games, video, etc.) specifically instead of dealing with the cable companies.

 

[anexanhume]

They really are just handing europe and japan to sony aren't they?

Microsoft had a claustrophobic's chance in a ball pit in Japan anyway.

 

[1-D_FTW]

If it requires separate devices, the slogan should be:

It takes two to bone.

If Microsoft would have done it right, the cable companies wouldn't have been able to do shit about it. There are federal laws/regulations on DVR devices. Cable companies have to let you "bring your own box." If the Xbox One was a DVR itself, the cable companies couldn't have stopped them. And consumers would have been able to ditch the lousy DVR rental fee (likely in the neighborhood of $250 a year), thus helping to justify the cost of an Xbox One.

This is why I was initally excited. It made a lot of sense had Cable Card support been built in. For this to not even communicate with DVR'ed material makes an already worthless idea even dumber.

 

[JWong]

Xbox One of the many peripherals you'll have to buy.

 

[Ken Masters]

hahahhaaha

Xbox One: because you will need one of EVERYTHING

literally laughed out loud at this