For the first year or so then they will go back down to the usual 35-40. There was all the mass outrage at the high prices 360/ps3 games would be but it didn't last long did it.
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MCV: Retail sources talk used Xbox One games, £35 for used game in UK [U2: Eurogamer]
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For the first year or so then they will go back down to the usual 35-40. There was all the mass outrage at the high prices 360/ps3 games would be but it didn't last long did it.
I don't think MS is going to win me back any time soon with all this bullshit their pulling. I'm really amazed that there are so many corporate apologists on gaf but then again I shouldn't really be amazed. PS4 is looking more and more like a must have at this point, assuming Sony doesn't go around and pull some of the same shit.
I mean good by the consumer. Asking for another company to follow Microsoft in fucking the industry isn't good for us. I want healthy competition to drive the industry not bullshit practices that restricts a person from enjoying gaming. Witness was dropping bullshit and I called his opinion dumb so don't get snappy with me.
Last Hearth
Member
If Gamestop can set the price of the used software to whatever they want, and just keep 10% and gives the rest to the publisher, here is what they'll do.
They'll have a regular price for used games, and then a membership (say $100 per year membership) where the price is reduced by 50%. Because they'll get to keep all the membership money.
They'll have a regular price for used games, and then a membership (say $100 per year membership) where the price is reduced by 50%. Because they'll get to keep all the membership money.
Delusibeta
Banned
Yes, except for the bolded, which will probably be closer to the $5-10 range.
Easy money. Told u guys to short them.
I can imagine the pressure publishers will put on sony to do the same, even threatening to pull games from the ps4
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
This is what I'd like to see.
Back in 1995 when Sega pissed off a lot of retailers, by surprise launching Saturn in a few select retail locations, some of them refused to carry the Saturn at all. They promoted Playstation and later N64. No doubt it hurt Sega more than them.
I'd love to see Gamestop, or any other retailer that deals in used games refuse to stock the Xbone or it's games. Promote the competition.
ConfusedCat
Banned
Last 60 minutes has not been nice
Ah, figured new games were £60. My mistake, well that sounds like a shitty deal then.
Because Honda doesn't get a cut when I sell my car, neither does the record company or the book author when I sell my CD's or books.
It's not like digital, ownership of physical media is the license not some database table in the could.
Then Microsoft can withdraw the license and stop them from selling used X1 games. I highly suspect that anything like that would be against their T&Cs.
Nemesis121
Member
I would love to see this but it won't happen...
Winterfang
Banned
Thanks for everyone that give me a "translation" of the quantity in dollars.
I think that's what they want. For you to just buy the games news, this will ensure that Publishers get their cut.
I think that's what they want. For you to just buy the games news, this will ensure that Publishers get their cut.
you can resell steam games in europe dude
yeah, if PS4 just says they arent doing any of this bull its PS4/PC for me
Gamestop has the absolute worst trade-in value. Any local store does better. Ebay does better. Selling privately would now be impossible. It basically kills used games for me, because I don't use Gamestop.
I tried to sell a game there a month ago for the first time in years. They wanted to give me $1.50. I went down the street to the local store and they offered me $25.
I tried to sell a game there a month ago for the first time in years. They wanted to give me $1.50. I went down the street to the local store and they offered me $25.
Sorry. I didn't realize Gamestop was only getting a 10 percent cut. I figured guys were talking about the consumer end. Still, it pays to believe in collusion. Because clearly deals were cut and some made out much better than others with this deal.
I now change my position back to retailers shouldn't stock these consoles unless they make real margins on the hardware. No more charity for the platform holders.
Papacheeks
Banned
Don't get your message wrong. Sony lost money because of all the money they invested in hardware, not software and Networking. They spent all their money building bluray facilities and cell CPU manufacturing plants. Microsoft is a software giant, it's what they do, so of course their online will be worth it to most consumers. It was proven in the beginning that it was more reliable, because of their server count and strength. Sony was awful at networking remember the big ass NETwork add on for PS2. Huge failure, and didn't do anything for the consumer base to change their minds about xbox live.
PSN has gotten better and to a place where it's as good as xbox live was maybe 5 years ago. The thing is things were working last generation, but because of the technology wall, lots of money was spent to figure out how to do it.
Unfortunately it's the giant publisher's and leaders in the Entertainment business that have no clue how to make a game cost efficient. The only way was to change the hardware that they were using. Hopefully now games will be made more efficiently but that still doesn't exclude taking away customer rights to resell or trade games as they see fit.
I think either this will stick or it won't, it's all software based to it's easily ramified if we stand up and give them all the finger. But the whole watermark thing, that I don't have a lot of experience with so If that can be overwritten in the OS when it's read , then hurray for us.
But right now we don't really know, for all we know Microsoft and Sony could be doing 2 different things.
That's just my 2 cent's y'all!!
Aren't most people who are currently watching DVDs, Blu-Rays, Netflix, Hulu, whatever on their PS3's and 360's most likely watching them in game mode, or at the very least, not bothering to modes? I for one never bother to change the setting.
ConfusedCat
Banned
im in no way defending this but it could be argued the next buyer continues to buy parts from honda
hummmm
but overall yep, you = right
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
A creator is well within their rights to charge whatever they think something is worth, and a consumer is well within their rights not to pay more than they think something is worth. If the two don't meet, the creator has just made a product there is no demand for at the price they are charging.
Dancing along in blissful ignorance that something you produce which has no real-world non-arbitrary value is worth some base minimum price simply because you worked hard on it is not a realistic way to attempt sustainable business.
If these policies do indeed affect sales, I can't imagine it's going to take a lot of head scratching on the part of publishers to realize what the issue is.
The problem is, they are still going to keep coming to the same conclusion - that consumers are criminals for not paying what the publisher thinks a product is worth. Until they realize they are killing themselves with unrealistic budgets and that consumers aren't killing them by not throwing money at them, they are in trouble and deserve to be.
Jawmuncher
Member
While wishful thinking if love to see a blacklist of all the publishers that support this and would threaten taking support. I like to hope that its not everyone.
Try $5 resell value, not $40.
I NEED SCISSORS
Banned
£35 - fuuuuuuck that shit. New games are usually that price within a week in the UK. I can't imagine it will drop much either, perhaps half price after about a year..
This used games business is sound marginally better than it did two days ago - but still overwhelmingly grotesque. As a private seller who does not trade games into MS sanctioned establishments, the whole thing can go to hell.
Also, I do not care about lining companies pockets. No one should - this is their job and as far as I can see, most get paid very well. I am not a charity, I care about getting the goods at the cheapest, fairest, most deserved price. A very very small subset of games are just about worth £30, let along the £50 RRP that next-gen will ask. For the majority of games, if I cannot get it for £10 or rent (not an option now on Xbone), I simply will not bother.
I hate to compare games to films, but the price the videogame industry charges for a comparable experience to a movie is not sustainable for me. I understand why they have to charge more (smaller userbase, rising dev costs), but Steam has already proved that lower prices = enough of a sales increase to offset any losses. So there are alternatives to the £50 RRP but these companies are being cunty enough to ignore them.
This used games business is sound marginally better than it did two days ago - but still overwhelmingly grotesque. As a private seller who does not trade games into MS sanctioned establishments, the whole thing can go to hell.
Also, I do not care about lining companies pockets. No one should - this is their job and as far as I can see, most get paid very well. I am not a charity, I care about getting the goods at the cheapest, fairest, most deserved price. A very very small subset of games are just about worth £30, let along the £50 RRP that next-gen will ask. For the majority of games, if I cannot get it for £10 or rent (not an option now on Xbone), I simply will not bother.
I hate to compare games to films, but the price the videogame industry charges for a comparable experience to a movie is not sustainable for me. I understand why they have to charge more (smaller userbase, rising dev costs), but Steam has already proved that lower prices = enough of a sales increase to offset any losses. So there are alternatives to the £50 RRP but these companies are being cunty enough to ignore them.
It's not price fixing; they are only dictating the price of the license.
I don't think you can yet, can you? I know there's been a ruling to say that has to happen but I don't think Valve have responded to it yet. Community Market appears to be the way they'll handle it though.
Cool just waiting on what PS4 will do with this situation, if they do the same I'm gonna defo get j to PC gaming, I am guessing we will see more PC ports anyway due to similar architecture.
Opus Angelorum
Member
I don't think I've paid more than £35 for a new game (I tend to wait a few weeks after release).
I can understand the thinking behind this, but I think most people will look elsewhere or simply buy less games.
If Sony don't do something similar (unlikely), they will have a very tempting reason to switch.
I can understand the thinking behind this, but I think most people will look elsewhere or simply buy less games.
If Sony don't do something similar (unlikely), they will have a very tempting reason to switch.
Do the US only have Gamestop for used games?, there are numerous different game stores in the UK so i can shop around if needed.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Impeccable
Member
How about this?
"As of 2012, you'd be surprised to here that, "Used games only account for $1.59 billion in revenue, which means that a year's-worth of the used game market barely makes up for a fraction of what Activision or Electronic Arts make in a single quarter. The used game market has also dropped by 17.1% in 2012 compared to what it was in 2011. Despite publishers complaining about used games cannibalizing new game sales, the used game market is actually shrinking."
Versus
"DLC accounted for $2.22 billion in 2012, up 33.9% over the previous year. Subscriptions stayed steady at $1.05 billion, up 12.9%."
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Di...n-2012-Used-Game-Sales-Retail-Down-54210.html
Used game purchasers most likely purchase digital content.
Yeah, I'd probably burn my copy of Fahrenheit 451 in protest if book publishers did something like that.
Wait a minute.
Yeah, but there is still the option to get books in another way (ebooks aren't the only way), steam is significantly better than what we're hearing about xbone, and (unless i'm mistaken, don't own any apple products) apps are cheap enough that returning/lending doesn't really cross your mind. Following this model/policy is the ONLY way to play/enjoy xbone games.
ConfusedCat
Banned
analysts predicting if GME hits 32.00 that the stock will tumble significantly today
market watching the shares very closely. GME boss HAS to be on the phone to MS asking them to publicly clarify this shit
they aren't going to though
market watching the shares very closely. GME boss HAS to be on the phone to MS asking them to publicly clarify this shit
they aren't going to though
I buy COD for around $50 on release day through Amazon, Newegg, or whoever's running a promo on them.
I sell it on Craigslist 2 weeks later for $40-45
heliosRAzi
Banned
Why should Microsoft and the publisher get a cut off of the used game? I can sell anything I own right now be it a TV, book, movie, refrigerator, a piece of artwork, whatever, and the original maker won't get a cut of it. Why is this different for the X1 (besides the obvious)?
Meus Renaissance
Member
The only way they can keep their margins the same they were is to offer something like £10 for a game you bought for £40, and for them to then sell it for £35. This would however effectively discourage people from selling their games and ultimately killing the market.
Both consumers and retailers get Xboned. So why would MS even enable pre-owned games in the first place? This is going to hit the press eventually.
Both consumers and retailers get Xboned. So why would MS even enable pre-owned games in the first place? This is going to hit the press eventually.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I'm guessing you could hand them down to a single person and let them assume your profile.
HAHAHA. The work? "Can I have this game?" "$60 please" "Thanks"
I would rather more money go back to the developers and publishers so they can make more games.
Jacksonlee
Member
why are people so stupid?
why on earth, us as consumers - allow companies like MS to take away our right to buy/sell/lend/borrow the things we purchase?
if we allow this to happen for MS - we are going to see it elsewhere, it will standardize itself for the sake of making profit, EVERYWHERE.
don't be stupid.
why on earth, us as consumers - allow companies like MS to take away our right to buy/sell/lend/borrow the things we purchase?
if we allow this to happen for MS - we are going to see it elsewhere, it will standardize itself for the sake of making profit, EVERYWHERE.
don't be stupid.
Eh. I doubt they would try that. If Sony does follow the same suite then to hell with them and to hell with MS. I'm just worried considering they haven't really spoken too much about it.
I don't even buy/sell used games, and I still agree with you.
It's just wrong, in principle, IMO. Once you buy something in cash, you should own it, wholly and entirely. Otherwise, our entire economic system would be a sham.
Imagine buying a car, and not being allowed to re-sell it, other than back to the dealership, and both they and the manufacturer get a slice of the returns. It's ludicrous.
I wish game journalists could do a story on this instead of telling me for the umptenth time how sexist something is in gaming. I'd much rather the dirt be scrapped and brought to light. The pubs should be in the light as much as Microsoft right now, because as many have said this had to come from some of the big boys wanting bigger cuts of the pie.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
Member
It's projection.
He can't keep his own discs nice and tidy so figures no one else can either.
Dark-Cloudz
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