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[-Plasma Reus-]

Can't be so sure!

Don't worry, odds are it will be. But let's not dilute the message, DRM is the present most harmful thing.

 

[mcfishstick]

Some posts that needs re-reading, the first one from this thread:



These two from the Penny Arcade shill thread:

Please post that Burai quote in a new stickied thread and title it 'Note for publishers'. It's perfect.

 

[The Spoony Hou]

They turned off all YouTube comments for starters. They know.

Fair enough. Ok, I won't get in the way of your endeavor.

 

[KZObsessed]

Well done GAF, I'm going to sign up to twitter later and take part.

 

[scakko84]

Btw i now start to see why EA "has games in development for WiiU but not as much as for XB1 and PS4"... Hope all this drm stuff crush and burns and we'll be able to enjoy all next-gen system without handcuffs.

 

[IceBreak]

yea but apparently a mod from Reddit took it down tho

There are multiple subreddits with various rules. It is currently the top post in the ps3 one despite no ps4 posts allowed there.

 

[Orin GA]

And your comment is not a waste of time?

No, because I knew, you, SPECIFICALLY you, would get your panties in a bunch over it. Thank you.

 

[dragonelite]

The campaign is more powerful if it's like:

"Hey Sony, Microsoft has done something really stupid, now go on and prove you're on the side of the true gamer, by not doing the same! The whole world is watching!"

Also, Microsoft has already received their fair share of shit for this.

This..

They will see that most gamers side with ps4 now.
They will probably see after E3 what the reactions are.
If they change their policies on drm and mandatory kinect then i will get it day one.
If not he im helping sony fans get their better console maybe if sony can stun me with new ip current ones arent doing it for me personally i will get a ps4.

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

Fair enough. Ok, I won't get in the way of your endeavor.

That doesn't mean you or someone else can't start a thread to try and get MS to reverse their decisions. I'd guess it's highly unlikely but that doesn't make it an impossibility.

This really isn't (or shouldn't) be about MS vs Sony, it's more about our eroding consumer rights. Every gamer should care about this whether you're an Xbot or a die hard Sony fanboy.

 

[Roki6]

I think more people think Microsoft won't change their mind than Sony. Microsoft has had the head honcho (VP) tell everyone DRM is a go. Sony has not spoken about it at all... and a current rumor says they are currently deciding if they should implement it after the debacle that Microsoft stirred up. If anything people want to be sure Sony knows how we feel and hopefully weighs everyone in their decision.

Shouldn't you tweet to Microsoft too? Or you all only care about Sony?

I don't know. To me it seems many people here almost want that MS sticks to it and fail.

I would rather they both change their mind before release for competition sake and for us
It is policy and software implementation so it can still be changed.


Edit: what are most known Xbox twitter account? Maybe just retweeting #ps4usedGames tweets to them would be good enough and maybe nice punch in the eye

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

Shouldn't you tweet to Microsoft too? Or you all only care about Sony?

Bring up the accounts we need to spam. I'm okay with this. It's not a system war anymore, it's about consumer rights now.

 

[scakko84]

Shouldn't you tweet to Microsoft too? Or you all only care about Sony?

Bring up the accounts we need to spam. I'm okay with this. It's not a system war anymore, it's about consumer rights now.

This.

 

[nubbe]

The only way to get MS to change is if Sony does the opposite.
But MS has already shown their ideal vision

 

[we.are.the.armada]

Some posts that needs re-reading, the first one from this thread:



These two from the Penny Arcade shill thread:

Yeah Man, good re-cap with those - should be printed out and hung on the wall

 

[jj984jj]

#PS4NoDRM is impossible, every console has DRM. #PS4NoDRMforRetailGames makes more sense.

 

[innervision961]

would microsoft even change? last they told us was #dealwithit.

 

[Ushae]

Try not to be snarky or dicks.

You're asking something impossible for GAF..

 

[Always-honest]

I hope they read this thread. But i can say without a doubt that they will sell less games if you can't play used games.
Far less.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

The only way to get MS to change is if Sony does the opposite.
But MS has already shown their ideal vision

Yep. MS are well aware of everything.
The only way you could prevent MS from going ahead with it (if they haven't already, which seems very likely to be the case given EA's involvement), is if you had their competitor do the opposite.

It is very, very unlikely that MS will change their stance regarding this issue as it seems to be a done deal.

 

[baekshi]

Last time Microsoft guy suggested to #dealwithit, so I honestly don't think it's worth trying

lol

#PS4NoDRM is impossible, every console has DRM. #PS4NoDRMforRetailGames makes more sense.

Shorter is easier to use.

#PS4NoDRM for retail games. Add your messages people.

 

[IceBreak]

These two from the Penny Arcade shill thread:

That's a bit harsh, no? Gotta be a shill to think that if the consoles were in the same position with their games as Steam is now that there might be sales and less piracy? Can't folks disagree without being so disagreeable?

 

[Risette]

That's a bit harsh, no? Gotta be a shill to think that if the consoles were in the same position with their games as Steam is now that there might be sales and less piracy? Can't folks disagree without being so disagreeable?

It's nonsensical. Steam has competition in the PC game distribution space -- they don't do it because they have big hearts and want to spread love and happiness.

 

[Fi Fo Nye]

This thread is getting trolled by all the people coming into a Sony thread and asking why it isn't about Microsoft too...

 

[pahamrick]

Did my part and I almost never use Twitter.

What kills me though is how some of the hard core supporters of the DRM think that the money is going to go back to the devs. How much do they think the developers are really going to see of it if they didn't self-publish the title?

 

[Roki6]

I am not big twitter user but this is what I found for google

@majornelson
@aarongreenberg
@mrphilharrison
@xbox
@xboxsupport

There is @xboxoneofficial but it is not confirmed account
Can't find anything for Don and Spencer

 

[gamemadmax]

This thread is getting trolled by all the people coming into a Sony thread and asking why it isn't about Microsoft too...

Its an issue for both the parties.

 

[scakko84]

I am not big twitter user but this is what I found for google

@majornelson
@aarongreenberg
@mrphilharrison
@xbox
@xboxsupport

There is @xboxoneofficial but it is not confirmed account
Can't find anything for Don and Spencer

k, come out with a copy-pasta proof tweet and i'll be glad to do my part...

 

[The Spoony Hou]

Bring up the accounts we need to spam. I'm okay with this. It's not a system war anymore, it's about consumer rights now.

Sorry, I don't use twitter. Maybe Major Nelson? I don't know how MS does their PR.

 

[nelsonroyale]

Okay there we go. Hopefully, they don't shoot themselves in the foot.

 

[Gori]

k, come out with a copy-pasta proof tweet and i'll be glad to do my part...

Try to at least rewrite others tweets, it will work better that way.

So what's the MS hashtags, then?

 

[Beren]

I am not big twitter user but this is what I found for google

@majornelson
@aarongreenberg
@mrphilharrison
@xbox
@xboxsupport

There is @xboxoneofficial but it is not confirmed account
Can't find anything for Don and Spencer

I did my part for Xbox too, this is about the games :3

 

[IceBreak]

It's nonsensical. Steam has competition in the PC game distrobution space -- they don't do it because they have big hearts and want to spread love and happiness.

I didn't say they did. I was just saying to call someone a shill for believing that is not really a classy way to handle discussion or help your cause.

My personal opinion is piracy will probably increase with the elimination of used game sales but we would see more Steam-level sales when the consoles have no fear of those games being resold. They'll still be in competition with each other and themselves but it's a lot easier to sell something for $3 when you know no one's going to turn around a sell their current copy or sell the copy they buy now when they're finished with it.

 

[Roki6]

This thread is getting trolled by all the people coming into a Sony thread and asking why it isn't about Microsoft too...

Yeah because everything must be us vs them.

For me is industry issue. Right now I have 4 games from friends and they play some of my games.

Pressure should be put to MS too. Can't hurt and who know maybe they change mind first ans that would only speed up Sonys decision. Sony changing decision first and MS following is more likely but result is the same

k, come out with a copy-pasta proof tweet and i'll be glad to do my part...

Sorry but I have maybe 10 tweets on my account. I use it for some competitions and to retweet campaigns like this. So not much of a power user.

 

[scakko84]

@majornelson @aarongreenberg @mrphilharrison @xbox @xboxsupport Speaking on behalf of GAF and gamers worldwide, #XboxOneNoUsedDRM

This should work... 11 chars to go...

Please, verify all accounts are right, last thing i want is to tweet bomb innocent people...

 

[dosh]

I've been reading tons of these tweets, and most of them are well written, polite and really positive in their wording. Which I find cool.

This thread is getting trolled by all the people coming into a Sony thread and asking why it isn't about Microsoft too...

Seriously? You want to sum this up as another console war?

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Yup. Burai's post in that other thread should be turned into it's own topic and stickied tbh. So good.

Thing is Ubisoft don't seem to have a problem making profit even with 700 plus man teams .
I think that say something , it's better to have a large team making games on time than having a smaller one taking years plus mismanagement .
If pubs had better management they won't have half the problems they have now .

EDIT also i think best way for MS to change there mind is if Sony does not do it.
Of course if sales of Xbone are great none of this won't matter .

 

[flipswitch]

Yosp posted something and most of the replies he got back had the nops4DRM hash tag in it. Looks like it's spreading world wide!

 

[Gori]

yea but apparently a mod from Reddit took it down tho

Everyone should repost it. This is perfect Reddit material.

 

[IHaveCandy]

Any chance of this hitting top trending on twitter?

 

[Seik]

Some posts that needs re-reading, the first one from this thread:



These two from the Penny Arcade shill thread:

That post from faceless007 expresses perfectly how I feel as well.

Well, this is the disconnect I guess. You admit you only hold this view because of the detrimental effects (you think) are impacting the industry. You are asserting that a fundamental aspect of property rights and consumer rights as it has existed since the beginning of trade should be adjusted and recodified on a per-industry basis, not because it's inherently bad or unethical, but just because you think it's a threat to the industry's health. Which means you are essentially arguing for protectionism for corporations--consumers are free to exercise their consumer rights only up to a certain point, but if that free exercise is perceived to threaten the viability of the industry, then their rights must be limited in order to save the industry.

I don't think I can put into words my disgust at this demeaning display of groveling at the feet of your game developer overlords. Even a die-hard laissez-faire capitalist would not be so subservient, because even a capitalist would accept that sometimes industries die and that's the way the world works. As much as I enjoy games, there is no inherent good in this industry. The ends do not justify the means here; there is nothing that makes the gaming industry inherently worthy of preservation, not to the point that would justify carving out a special exemption for them where used games are somehow magically not OK when they are OK for every other packaged good on the planet. Just because your favored set of content producers couldn't properly adapt does not justify rewriting the rules of what "property ownership" means and fundamentally removing the ability to preserve, inherit, pass on, lend, and share its products.

The industry does not come first; consumers do. I have no sympathy for an industry that cannot properly stumble its way around a viable secondhand market like every other mature industry in the world. Sometimes your old product just isn't good enough, and the way you solve it is by making a better product, not by forcing consumers to adapt to your archaic and myopic business model with your dying breath. If this industry can't find a way to make money off the primary market -- even with DLC and exclusive pre-order content and HD re-releases and map packs and online passes and annualized sequels and "expanding the audience" and AAA advertising and forced multiplayer -- then, if I may be so blunt, fuck it. It doesn't deserve our money in the first place. If an entire industry has its head so far up its ass, is so focused on short-term gains, and has embraced such a catastrophically stupid blockbuster business model in the pursuit of a stagnant market of hardcore 18-34 dudebros that it thinks it has no choice but to take away our first-sale rights as its last chance of maybe, finally, creating a sustainable stream of profits, then it can go to hell. It doesn't need your protection, it needs to be taken out back and beaten until it remembers who its real masters are.

I especially have a hard time having any sympathy because so many of the industry's problems are of its own making. They chose to focus on shaderific HD graphics over long-lasting appeal and gameplay; they chose to focus on linear scripted cinematic B-movie imitations that were only good for one playthrough instead of replayability and open-ended design; they chose to pour so much money and marketing into military porn and fetishized violent shootbang Press A to Awesome titles, exactly the kinds of games that hardcore gamers, the most likely gamers to trade in games quickly were prone to buying and reselling; and perhaps most galling, they chose to give Gamestop loads of exclusive pre-order bonuses while they knew exactly what Gamestop would say to those customers once in the store. They kept making insanely lavish and nonsensical displays of spectacular whizz-bang, despite that being exactly the kind of game most susceptible to trading after one week because there was nothing left to do with it. And now they're discovering that putting so many insanely expensive eggs into one fragile and easily breakable basket is maybe not the most sustainable business model ever.

So forgive me if I find myself not caring one bit when the industry complains that it's just so hard to sell six million copies of Gears of Medal of Battle of Uncharted Angry Dudes VII in the first week and that's why they need to take away used sales for the entire platform. No, the problem isn't at this end.

 

[waypoetic]

Tweet has been sent. I started with Yoshida. I'll give the other big guys a tweet later today.

 

[baekshi]

Any chance of this hitting top trending on twitter?

We'll see it tomorrow.

People should post in different languages also. Not everyone is aware of it.

 

[flipswitch]

Is this happening on other gaming forums, such has gamefaqs, IGN etc?

 

[Waldo Lydecker]

If they handle this right, it could be such a PR boost and free advertising for Sony.
Something along the lines of 'we listen and care for our customers'.

Do it, Sony!

 

[something fishy]

This.

Then tweet ea too, clearly a driving force behind these passes and codes.

 

[Loris146]

Is this happening on other gaming forums, such has gamefaqs, IGN etc?

I link this topic at Gamesforum( italian forum) . It isn't very big( largest gaming community in Italy) but better than nothing Xp

 

[Gori]

Any chance of this hitting top trending on twitter?

It's certainly possible - if we mobilize non-GAF as well. Reddit, gaming blogs, gaming magazines. Yes, even 4chan.

And don't just @ the Sony people, again. Ask gamling journalists, developers you like, friends you know on Twitter with many followers, etc, to get on board. Everyone. Provide them with material for them to use, good posts with summaries, links to this thread, your own opinion. Get personal.

 

[Pandemic]

But really though if Sony came out of E3 with

1)Free Online MP for PSN, PSN+ has more features, STILL $49.99

2)Non-Region locked

3)Worldwide Release before Black Friday

4)No DRM/Anti-Used game features at ALL. Period.

5)$399 Basic SKU $449 Premium SKU

Would it be premature to say Next gen is over?

Never thought about it like that... Gimmie E3 already!

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Dear OP, please ensure that twitter usernames or hashtags are clickable URLs. Will make a lot of lazy people spread the message quicker.

 

[IHaveCandy]

Imagine Sony saying "X million tweets were sent by playstation fans this past month about DRM and used games. And we're here to say, we've answered X million prayers. No DRM. Yes used games." at E3.

Imagine.