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#PS4NoDRM #XboxOneNoDRM || Now do you "Believe?"

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Baleoce

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Anyone have a link to the #PS4NoDRM transparent avatar banner? Maybe add it to the OP in-case people want to Photoshop it themselves?
 

-Cwalat-

Member
Wow, awesome!

I tweeted the author yesterday. Not sure whether that's what prompted him to write it, but still :)

Han såg hur stort det var så det är naturligt att han sedan skrev en artikel om det, men hade du inte upplyst honom så hade han säkert inte lagt märke till det. Journalisterna på Aftonbladet är inte de mest effektiva arbetarna, kan man säga.
 

baekshi

Banned
Han såg hur stort det var så det är naturligt att han sedan skrev en artikel om det, men hade du inte upplyst honom så hade han säkert inte lagt märke till det. Journalisterna på Aftonbladet är inte de mest effektiva arbetarna, kan man säga.
Google translation:
He saw how big it was, so it is natural that he then wrote an article about it, but had not informed him he had certainly not noticed it. Journalists at Aftonbladet is not the most efficient workers, one might say.
 
Han såg hur stort det var så det är naturligt att han sedan skrev en artikel om det, men hade du inte upplyst honom så hade han säkert inte lagt märke till det. Journalisterna på Aftonbladet är inte de mest effektiva arbetarna, kan man säga.

Ok, vet inget om hur effektiva arbetare de är :)

Edit in English: Ok, don't know anything about how efficiently they work
 

Stuart444

Member
They're planning a massive twitter bomb on the 1st June apparently from what I can see

Wow, it started here and now people are organizing their own things like this and a letter writing campaign apparently.

Amazing what we started but I hope the polite yet firm messages outnumber the negative insulting messages that usually come with stuff like this when it gets big.
 

GuardianE

Santa May Claus
June 1st is too soon. I was thinking we would "reboot" the campaign closer to E3, maybe 3-4 days before. June 1st is 3 days from now...

Maybe there can be more than one push. Things are likely going to slump pretty hard three days from now.
 

MogCakes

Member
June 1st is too soon. I was thinking we would "reboot" the campaign closer to E3, maybe 3-4 days before. June 1st is 3 days from now...

We could start mass bombing them on the 7th and keep the pressure non-stop until the 10th. It'll make up for the slump that these guys will have after a few days.
 

GuardianE

Santa May Claus
Co-ordinate with them or leave em to it?

Well, I'm not entirely sure there's anything to coordinate. If they end up making a giant push on June 1st, then I'm sure we can independently do the same... like we have been.

We could start mass bombing them on the 7th and keep the pressure non-stop until the 10th. It'll make up for the slump that these guys will have after a few days.

We shouldn't be mass twitter bombing anyone. If someone wants to promote a particular date before E3, that's fine, but I don't want people getting carried away. The message shouldn't be perceived as destructive or hostile, with heavy volume and persistence, but not spam.
 
Except the ps3 retail one.. I think we all hate those partial install before playing a game.

That can go obviously =p

oh and the digital inferstructure of downloading then installing... that can go aswell

Of course but I think he was talking about how used games and DRM work on PS3, not how they install and work on the system. :p

Thanks, lol. Was thinking "damnit now i gotta translate that shit". Good to know there are translators up and ready here on GAF.

=)

No problem. :)
 

alr1ght

bish gets all the credit :)
MARK CERNY'S STANCE ON DRM AS OF NOVEMBER 2012

Basically says the PS3 system is perfectly fine.

Thanks to Moxx19 for reminding me about the Game Changers vid. I watched it back when this DRM/Used games thing didn't even seem like a possibility so I didn't pay much attention to that part at the time.

Thought that it should be stated again for more people to see.

Anyways guys, even if it does seem like it won't be implemented on the PS4 (with the replies from the execs, the trolling etc). We still need to continue with this until an official announcement. This campaign isn't just for Sony.
Watching the whole thing. He could have a second career narrating children's movies.
 

MogCakes

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We shouldn't be mass twitter bombing anyone. If someone wants to promote a particular date before E3, that's fine, but I don't want people getting carried away. The message shouldn't be perceived as destructive or hostile, with heavy volume and persistence, but not spam.
I meant it as more of a 'we can start the final push on the 7th', as was suggested earlier in the thread.
 
What if the farthest they go with the "DRM" is restricting accounts slightly more. Would that be acceptable? For example right now a single account can be active on 2 PS3 systems simultaneously. What if they change that to a single system? And say they limit total number of accounts per system to 6 or somewhere around there (it's currently 16 I think).
 
anyone know of this?

http://www.holdtheline.com/threads/...u-think-of-used-games-and-always-online.5578/

They're planning a massive twitter bomb on the 1st June apparently from what I can see


Too soon after ours, IMO.

Like I said before, they've got the message, it's important not to become a nuisance, or you'll lose your access/the principals will tune you out.

The next step should be focused and coordinated to truly take the message to the next step.

I'm thinking that logical next step should be waiting until after these companies have a chance to clarify their positions, but in the meantime, gathering the info and "ammunition" for the next phase of the fight of it is needed.

This next phase would require choosing a specific day for informing governmental agencies at the state and federal level about this potentially new business practice that takes away a significant chunk of the resale value that consumers have grown to expect when they have bought discs in the past.

This campaign would be focused on informing those in the government about this potential change, its impact on consumers, and how the vast majority of these consumers will be unaware of this change in the resale value of their discs until they've already made the purchase of the console and/or discs.

It would come with an urgent plea to these governmental agencies to require Point-of-Purchase signs and product labeling clearly informing consumers about the change, so that consumers can be fully informed of their diminished rights of resale that they have become accustomed to in the past.

This requires a big effort.

First, information must be gathered to determine who to contact in your local area. We can do this easily through crowd sourcing. While letters and emails to Your local Congressional representatives are obvious, In the United States its often State District Attorneys' offices and other entities, boards, state committees, ect. that produce the best results in cases of protecting consumers. So this will need to be a multi-level, large-scale campaign of information gathering and information dispersal to the right people in government.

Obviously this campaign has to go well beyond the US as well.

It will probably require commitment from everybody active here to go beyond twitter and use all forms of communication available to stress the urgent nature of the issue and the requirement for timely action by these agencies to insure consumers are informed BEFORE they make the purchase and feel "locked in" to the new system.

Just the threat of getting the governed involved or having warning signs and product stickers at the Point-of-Sale in the first place might be enough. But the threat has to be very very real.

That's my thought on the matter anyway. Take it as you will.
 

Aceun

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Dear Baller PhD,

everything about this site is amazing. You did a great job and that's why I love you. Peace out brother =D. Applause everybody! *applause* Everyone who helped you applause, too *applause*

Agreed. This is simply fantastic.
 

Amir0x

Banned
Here you go:
motheravatariep0j.png


I changed mine too, for unification.

Just wanted to publicly thank you. It's a rare day indeed when I ever modify my avatar, so it must be serious :)
 
Han såg hur stort det var så det är naturligt att han sedan skrev en artikel om det, men hade du inte upplyst honom så hade han säkert inte lagt märke till det. Journalisterna på Aftonbladet är inte de mest effektiva arbetarna, kan man säga.
Wow my swedish vacations pay off, I could read it for the most part. That's pretty "close" to german, so it helps. Easier than danish somehow.
 

GuardianE

Santa May Claus
A petition's worth a shot, but I think an online petition tends to have a lot less impact than what this thread has already accomplished. As people have said before, I don't think diluting efforts or stretching resources thin would be worthwhile. As long as people continue to directly reach out to Sony execs in the coming weeks, I think that will mean more to Sony than any online petition.
 
So I called IGN out on twitter about how they're not covering the DRM movement, and to add fuel to the fire I also pointed out how their PS4 event had next to nothing for coverage, while the Xbox One event is being showered in coverage. MONEYHATS?
 

GuardianE

Santa May Claus
So I called IGN out on twitter about how they're not covering the DRM movement, and to add fuel to the fire I also pointed out how their PS4 event had next to nothing for coverage, while the Xbox One event is being showered in coverage. MONEYHATS?

I saw a few people doing that. Frankly, anything they release would have a skewed message anyway, but it's good to call them out on it.
 

SilentFlyer

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So I called IGN out on twitter about how they're not covering the DRM movement, and to add fuel to the fire I also pointed out how their PS4 event had next to nothing for coverage, while the Xbox One event is being showered in coverage. MONEYHATS?

In fact IGN SPain, Italy and Germany covered the story but UK and US not. They may be in bed with publishers, who knows. Otherwise every other major site have published the story just not IGN.
 
Too soon after ours, IMO.

Like I said before, they've got the message, it's important not to become a nuisance, or you'll lose your access/the principals will tune you out.

The next step should be focused and coordinated to truly take the message to the next step.

I'm thinking that logical next step should be waiting until after these companies have a chance to clarify their positions, but in the meantime, gathering the info and "ammunition" for the next phase of the fight of it is needed.

This next phase would require choosing a specific day for informing governmental agencies at the state and federal level about this potentially new business practice that takes away a significant chunk of the resale value that consumers have grown to expect when they have bought discs in the past.

This campaign would be focused on informing those in the government about this potential change, its impact on consumers, and how the vast majority of these consumers will be unaware of this change in the resale value of their discs until they've already made the purchase of the console and/or discs.

It would come with an urgent plea to these governmental agencies to require Point-of-Purchase signs and product labeling clearly informing consumers about the change, so that consumers can be fully informed of their diminished rights of resale that they have become accustomed to in the past.

This requires a big effort.

First, information must be gathered to determine who to contact in your local area. We can do this easily through crowd sourcing. While letters and emails to Your local Congressional representatives are obvious, In the United States its often State District Attorneys' offices and other entities, boards, state committees, ect. that produce the best results in cases of protecting consumers. So this will need to be a multi-level, large-scale campaign of information gathering and information dispersal to the right people in government.

Obviously this campaign has to go well beyond the US as well.

It will probably require commitment from everybody active here to go beyond twitter and use all forms of communication available to stress the urgent nature of the issue and the requirement for timely action by these agencies to insure consumers are informed BEFORE they make the purchase and feel "locked in" to the new system.

Just the threat of getting the governed involved or having warning signs and product stickers at the Point-of-Sale in the first place might be enough. But the threat has to be very very real.

That's my thought on the matter anyway. Take it as you will.


This needs to be condensed and added to both the OP and the website.

Im not a fan of pestering people either. We have fired the opening salvo now its time to think of the next step.
 
Just read the danish press' (gaming and mass media news) articles about the campaign. Besides being filled with misinformation (the campaign has now spread to forums incl. NeoGAF), my fears of this are sadly becoming true. The press hardly mentions or goes into depth about Microsoft's different messages from the reveal. Instead they mainly focus on the campaign and the 'bad news' about Sony. Although they state that Sony hasn't said anything specific on the matter, it is spinned in a way that makes it looks like Sony is getting huge complains. Effectively moving Microsoft's not-so-elegant-reveal-troubles into Sony's court. Am I alone in having these worries?
 
I really don't think it's necessary to take it to the next step.

I'd probably disappear at that point - verging into having our voices heard to being whiny little bitches.

Just restart the effort one week in the run up to the E3 conference with a theme for our tweets of the day like I outlined this morning and we'll have have a fun, positive message to send along.
 
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