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John Carmack (on PS4/XB1): "I won't recommend one over the other at this point"
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Carmack in the past has been really good about seeing the pros and cons of things beyond just pure numbers (i.e. how easier are things to use). There is also the chance that he just hasn't dug in deep enough to really call a clear winner.
On paper the PS4 has more power, but at the same time its really the same CPU/GPU with a difference in core counts, memory layout, etc. Turning out the extra PS4 power might not be so tangible depending on the engine.
On paper the PS4 has more power, but at the same time its really the same CPU/GPU with a difference in core counts, memory layout, etc. Turning out the extra PS4 power might not be so tangible depending on the engine.
DerZuhälter
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Bonus scene:
famousmortimer
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Actually that's not why I'm pissed at all. What we have right now are a whole bunch of specs and hypotheticals. We have teraflops and memory bandwidth and GPU's used, etc.
What i was looking for was what it actually meant. I cared when he was "shitting" on the PS3 and I care now. I trust him as an authority on these things. Much like I'm more interested in what Durante has to here than what sony fanboy X does... because I've used the man's work on Dark Souls on the PC and trust him as someone who knows his shit.
Doug Heffernan
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Interesting, according to some of these posts, how most of you seem to know more about these two machines than John Carmack...
a rocket scientist/developer with actual devkits.
a rocket scientist/developer with actual devkits.
Windom Earle
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And :lol @ the latency defense in this thread.
And :lol @ the latency defense in this thread.
rakkadakka
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There are people with far less expertise than Carmack that get quoted and praised on this forum regularly.
If the bar is so high that Carmack can't even be allowed to have a voice, there are very few threads on this forum that would make the cut.
dragonelite
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Or you know guys next gen console just suck for performances.
Its not something to be happy about when pc hardware jumps to 3.5~4 TFlops at the end of this year if the AMD specs are right. We still dont know what clock the Xbone is running a up clock is not something i expect. And we also dont know what low latency esram has on gpu capabilities. Considering that on GCN a cache miss is 300 cycles, the esram could reduce the cache miss penalty to sub 30 cycles. Time will tell what the differences will be.
For now qua specs the next gen consoles suck ass. Hopefully the exclusive games will be good only reason to get one of those boxes. If capcom doesnt release Deep down on pc i will be pissed off as hell i need my dragons dogma 2.0 fix nao..
Its not something to be happy about when pc hardware jumps to 3.5~4 TFlops at the end of this year if the AMD specs are right. We still dont know what clock the Xbone is running a up clock is not something i expect. And we also dont know what low latency esram has on gpu capabilities. Considering that on GCN a cache miss is 300 cycles, the esram could reduce the cache miss penalty to sub 30 cycles. Time will tell what the differences will be.
For now qua specs the next gen consoles suck ass. Hopefully the exclusive games will be good only reason to get one of those boxes. If capcom doesnt release Deep down on pc i will be pissed off as hell i need my dragons dogma 2.0 fix nao..
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And :lol @ the latency defense in this thread.
so much for carmack saying whatever he wants
Tyrone_Biggums
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Money-hatted! I knew it!
The same agreements other developers have signed, and have compared the power of the two consoles?
Or, is your agreement different?
Ex-fucking-actly!! Now that Microsoft clearly has an inferior machine he doesn't want to compare consoles, WTF? Such a double talking, money hat bitch.
Edit:Sarcasm.
Well the PS3 design was really bass-ackwards. The Xbone is less powerful than the PS4 but it's still much easier for developers to work with compared to the PS3.
Windom Earle
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Come on man, calling Carmack a bitch?
I'm sure he will comment in due time and his situation now is different compared to pre-Zenimax. It's still a bit sad though, ID needs to get their shit together. It's a shame they were forced to lose their independence.
It's six months before the consoles are released. How many times do I have to post this in the thread. Ask him again in two years time.
Mutanthands
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famousmortimer
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Of course it's sarcasm.
The consoles haven't even released yet, give it time and we will get comparisons from him and others, eventually.
Windom Earle
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lol, got me. Some crazy shit in this thread.
I already said as much and anyone with any understanding of the dynamics of how corporate world works when vested interests are involved would have come to the same conclusion.
Mutanthands
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You've seen some of the comments in this thread. It's not a given.
I don't see how declining to give an opinion can be read as a negative, but somehow, it happened.
Carmack has made mistakes, yes. But he's still a master coder, and his opinions are always considered and well stated. Trying to disregard him as irrelevant says more about the poster making the argument than anything else.
I dont even know what to say.
Logging out for today and hoping it ll get better in the next days.
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That zuhälter gif is amazing
SniperHunter
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And :lol @ the latency defense in this thread.
hahah
Or MS their machine isn't (as) inferior
having better paper hardware specs means nothing.. it's about realtime performance. Which depends on many things, even tools and support. Anyway I was thinking if a game goes procedural texturing for almost the entire game, you need much less memory. As shader code is much smaller than 2d textures.
I agree, we should drop Carmack and Levine and replace them with Cerny and Kaz!
Or MS their machine isn't (as) inferior
Anyway I was thinking if a game goes procedural texturing for almost the entire game, you need much less memory. As shader code is much smaller than 2d textures.
Dat mental gymnastic is fantastic. Tell me more.
Graphics Horse
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What a twist.
Dictator93
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Ill tell you mor when e3 is over and we have seen the games
But I find your fairy tale so riveting, my good sir. Do regale us with the tale of how PS4 is fundamentally different from Xbone in architecture which negates the discrepancy in specs and dev tools of MS which are improved to the point where they negating the same.
Please, please go on.
TalesOfWin
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John Carmack has always been partial to Microsoft, hasnt he?
I don't think so.. he was critical of the PS3 but that doesn't make him partial to Microsoft.
Rogue_Ledr
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So are there any high-profile third party developers out there who are willing to favor one of the console's out there, at this point? Seems like there is just a bunch of nutless wonders with no backbone.
Not sure why developers should put themselves out there just to satisfy console warriors.
TalesOfWin
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Well his career got started thanks to Microsoft.
I agree with you, we already know the PS4 is ahead based on specs.
I do think people expected Carmack to be more outspoken based on what he's said in the past so the people that didn't like when he was outspoken before, now want him to be. Kinda funny when you think about it.
John Carmack isn't anyone's shill. He is one of most talented programmer in vg world. Given id's acquisition by bethesda and their will to continually pursue mutually profitable relationships with all platform holders on which their games are playable means avoiding publicly providing analysis which will be twisted around in the internet (especially if it favours one over another) and will become a PR issue in time.
It's called being diplomatic.
It's called being diplomatic.
Genesis Knight
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His first games up through Catacomb were for Apple II IIRC.
TalesOfWin
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Critical or honest? Choose one.
Shai-Tan
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the specs for the xbox aren't public yet. i dont know how many times people need to point that out. the specs we have right now are leaked.