SniperHunter
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TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
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I agree.
They did it was called Yukon everyone saw what they were aiming for a scalable SoC which could be adapted to other time....
Interfectum
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I bet that MS barely considers Sony a competitor at this point judging by the scope of XB1. They were hoping they could quickly dispatch PS4 and move on but probably didn't expect Sony to come out swinging as hard as they did.
I think it's pretty clear now that MS have just full on abandoned hardcore gamers. If the price rumours are true, who do they expect the early adopters to be, exactly? Is the average XBL Gold member really that dedicated? PS4 looks to be the default 3rd party gamers machine at this point.
maabus1999
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Maybe CBoat is Dean and is advertising his own book o_0
Or maybe he is Bill Gates. That would be a good one too.
immortal-joe
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Well if MS secures the blockbusters of their shitty machine, people wont care how shitty it is now, will they?
That's the harsh reality.
They'll bring the games at E3, more so than Sony. People will just...well...deal with it.
They won't burn for this (even tough they should).
That's the harsh reality.
They'll bring the games at E3, more so than Sony. People will just...well...deal with it.
They won't burn for this (even tough they should).
captscience
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So true. The best outcome for gamers at this point is probably overwhelming PS4 dominance that forces Microsoft into a short cycle so that competition can stay strong.
I don't understand this. Why are the yields problems tied to PS4 upgrades? I think the hardware for the X1 was set in stone way before any sign of a RAM upgrade...
If the yields are a problem than not because of Sony but because of MS chosen way for the X1 or am I missing something?
maabus1999
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What are Sony's first and 2nd parties these days? Any links? I know Insomniac seems to be moving to 3rd.
If the PS4 sells well enough, multiplatform titles will take advantage of it. They may need to get rid of some effects and upscale from a lower resolution on XBone, but developers don't want another 7 years targeting the same hardware generation. Even if graphics don't improve that much, the Ps4 will just end up with 60fps multiplatform titles that look as good as XBone's 30fps titles.
Relaxed Muscle
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lol yes.
The Wii U also has embedded mem on the chip
Various Artists
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I suspect the graphical differences this gen will be similar to how Xbox games looked better than ps2 games. (Like splinter cell difference)
wired originally said they said 40nm, why did it?
maabus1999
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I think the 2nd part is unrelated to the first part. Use Truthfact as a page break. His opinion on the overall situation I believe.
Burn for having yield issues? Why?
Yeah I thought that was odd as well. What is out there to support that?
Pretty sure until earlier this year most rumors pointed at a console being out in 2014, so it's safe to say some big changes happened.
It would be incredible it if weren't
Is crazy buttocks on a train some kind of GAF mystical entity
because i'am getting that vibe from him/her.
So this thread is proposing MS has 3 choices
1. down clock, resulting in a 800-900gflop GPU(if ClockSpeed rumors are true) which will result in acceptable yields and meeting deadlines
2.Dont downclock, and bite the bullet of the extra cost hoping the yield issues will be sorted in time, likely resulted in limited stock and heavy losses
3.Delay the X1 rsulting in heavy losses and go back to the drawing board, with a possible advantage of having better tech then sony but giving them a year headstart.
If I was a business man option 1 would be a no brainier.
because i'am getting that vibe from him/her.
So this thread is proposing MS has 3 choices
1. down clock, resulting in a 800-900gflop GPU(if ClockSpeed rumors are true) which will result in acceptable yields and meeting deadlines
2.Dont downclock, and bite the bullet of the extra cost hoping the yield issues will be sorted in time, likely resulted in limited stock and heavy losses
3.Delay the X1 rsulting in heavy losses and go back to the drawing board, with a possible advantage of having better tech then sony but giving them a year headstart.
If I was a business man option 1 would be a no brainier.
maybe they weren't ready to release it yet
then i don't see anything to worry about. if it's the multiplats people are worried about i'm pretty sure MS has the means to make xbone the lead platform.
I am quite convinced that the only relevant factor for the success of XBone/PS4 will be (a) marketing, (b) price and (c) exclusives. Nothing else. Average Joe does not care for stuff beyond that.
Whiteshirt
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They have ample time and resources. Doesn't stop them from flushing money down the toilet on trying to enter the consumer electronics industry. Their only success in this industry has been the Xbox 360 and well...I don't think anyone who made it happen is still around at Microsoft.
As Buttocks says, Microsoft has poor leadership. This is not new, they have failed to enter the consumer electronics industry so many times its not funny. They've flushed enough money down the toilet to completely fund a small country.
maabus1999
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You'll have to show me where as I never saw it.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/05/xbox-one/
" A single 28-nanometer chip contains an integrated CPU, GPU, and embedded memory rather than three separate units crammed onto a 90-nm chip in the 360."
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Yes, I honestly don't believe putting it in plain English to clear up confusion for people makes the situation any stickier for CBoaT, but if he or mods disagree, they can nuke my post and I won't do it again. The guy is awesome, I certainly don't want to be the one cause him any stress... don't believe I am though. Everyone who's anyone already knows he posts on gaf.
Not on the same die... it is packaged together with the GPU and CPU, but it's not made during the same fabrication process like the Xbone's. It's also eDRAM, which is different.
The yield problems aren't tied directly to Sony except in the way that the two consoles are directly compared to each other, he's saying that it's a problem for MS because Sony went a different way and got lucky/chose wisely and as a result there's a power gap. If Sony hadn't been able to go to 8GB late in the game it would likely mean MS wouldn't have to worry nearly as much about a perceived or real performance gap. But they did and now they do... seemingly.
OldAsUrSock
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Thanks for the translation. I seriously could not decipher what was typed.
Yes, but the Wii U is also more powerful than the Wii.
Sony did not get lucky. They had Cerny on their side.
googleplex
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6 XBOX360's duct taped together in bone formation.
Relaxed Muscle
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I don't think they have the means to make EVERY 3rd party tittle lead platform, and even if that's the case it would be very hard for the PS4 versions not show any improvement.
badcrumble
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chubs, could you add this "translation" to the OP? it's probably helpful to people unfamiliar with parsing CBOAT.
not when ps4 gets a decent install base.
So you use punctuation?
Well, I think (hope) they thought that Sony want to release a new console this year. But if we are talking about MS these days, nothing seems impossible...
maabus1999
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768K of shared DRAM is nothing compared to 32 MB of ESRAM for GPU only.
I mean factors apart here...
Mutanthands
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You have to wonder if this would have happened if Allard and company were still in charge. On the one hand, they had the experience and vision from the 360 launch. On the other hand, the RROD thing happened on their watch. Would the experience of dealing with the RROD lead to a more careful approach with the hardware? Would the media approach not be as scattershot and confused?
Irregardless, they're gone, and this has Ballmer Box disaster written all over it.
Irregardless, they're gone, and this has Ballmer Box disaster written all over it.
MirageDwarf
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It was fun times when Xbox fans refused to believe all rumors even though they were from millions of different sources.
Graphics Horse
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Might be talking about changes from a few years back, or at least in PR terms they can't throw 8gb around as a winning feature.
Also i see people still don't get what he said at the end.
Sony suprized MS with early console reveal and 2013 date.
All problems like yelds, downclock etc are directly connected with rushed development of Xbox One because MS thought they will lunch their console later than 2013. All problems above can be fixed but it needs time which MS doesn't have (after Sony reveal)
Sony suprized MS with early console reveal and 2013 date.
All problems like yelds, downclock etc are directly connected with rushed development of Xbox One because MS thought they will lunch their console later than 2013. All problems above can be fixed but it needs time which MS doesn't have (after Sony reveal)
Magnific0giganticus
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Guys, I'm thinking they designed that huge BOX at the last moment to be able to cram inside any kind of powerful PC and then make it look at E3 like their games are running on final hardware. I bet they won't let anyone see the innards of that thing until launch is a few weeks away.
Huh... what? WiiU has 32 MB of eDRAM (+ 3 MB of SRAM) built within the GPU die.
Indeed at this point considering that they don't have a clear plan they might probably want to wait until September.
googleplex
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Your optimism is inspiring if not misplaced.
notoccupanther
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Microsoft spent waay too much time on Kinect Development over the last 8 years it seems and not enough on basic hardware requirements for a next gen console ...
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
I'm not sure about the "tarbaby" thing though... lol and I'm really not qualified to speculate. That was layman, at best. Maybe it's better for someone else to speak to it.
He's the physical manifestation of all of our desire for rumours and juicy leaks. As such, he is legion. If you take that into account, the mild degree of insanity on display in his posts is entirely understandable.
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