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Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features

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snap0212 said:
He writes "As they drop each load, one by one, we barely protest, because each small weight on its own seems worth it" and I just have to wonder what he's talking about. People on here especially have been protesting for years.

Whenever we did we were called the vocal minority that doesn't have any influence at all. Not to mention being called entitled countless times. Everyone has complained because people saw this coming. The press did a great job back then doing nothing to support everyone who voiced their opinion back then.
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I suspect he is referring to the implied assent given by purchase.
 
Fredrik

Fredrik

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mightynine said:
Permission will be enabled to enjoy a live TV or Blu-Ray movie experience on your Xbox One.
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lol is this confirmed? No gaming what so ever after 24 hour offline? They can't be serious, there must be some misunderstanding, some details we're missing.
 
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mightynine

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Fredrik said:
lol is this confirmed? No gaming what so ever after 24 hour offline? They can't be serious, there must be some misunderstanding, some details we're missing.
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Direct from the horse's mouth:

With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies.
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ec0ec0

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what hapened with the thread about those new ps4 rumors about pricing, online, drm? i didnt have time to read it...
 
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PhatSaqs

Banned
Rezae said:
The thing that should scare any potential customer is what happens if your Live account gets banned? I've read a lot of stories thru the years about Live accounts getting banned with no recourse. MS is one of the last companies I'd trust to resolve mistakes smoothly.
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Why worry about it unless it actually happens to you? You can come up with all kinds of what if scenarios at this very moment that could affect & prevent how you play on XBL or PSN.
 
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crazygambit

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Snubbers said:
I keep reading MS 'statement' and it seems to be pretty clear that you will be able to have yourself AND a family member play the same game..



That reads quite clearly, "you can ALWAYS play YOUR GAMES" that implies whether they are on the 'shared list' or not,

"and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time." is quite unambiguous.. That's 2 people playing a game at the same time.. no doubt covering the scenario I have where I share games with my 7 year old on a second console in the house..

Of course, you may be right, but it certainly seems clear enough to me.. and you can't have 2 people playing a physical disk at the same time, and of course the logistics of distributing that disk are not so straight forward either.

It's pants we can't just lend a disk, although Steam says FU on that one even more, but I'm not totally over reacting at the moment.. I can see where they are heading and it's diminishing my impetus to buy an XB1 despite usually owning all major consoles and enjoying all exclusives..

Also, the other implication of MS' statement is for a family member to play one of your shared games around a friends house..
"Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house".. you don't have to risk your disk being scratched/lost and as the owner, you can still play it yourself..

I do think 'family' will be very restricted and who wouldn't want to stick with offline disk swapping as we have today, but you have to approach this rationally.
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You clearly need a refreshing course in PR speak. It clearly says you can always play your games plural, while your family members play from your shared library i.e. not the same game. The way the paragraph is written it can be completely true while stopping you and your family members from playing the same game at the same time. Which I'm certain is the way it's gonna turn out.
 
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Kun Aguero

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Marty Chinn said:
I would imagine a publisher/developer could make it a requirement. Even though the system in general can stay offline, there's nothing to stop a specific game from making it a requirement.
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You mean the same as sim city? I'd hope gamers wouldn't fall for that crap again, good luck with those sales mr publisher.
 
ElRenoRaven

ElRenoRaven

Member
snap0212 said:
He writes "As they drop each load, one by one, we barely protest, because each small weight on its own seems worth it" and I just have to wonder what he's talking about. People on here especially have been protesting for years.

Whenever we did, we were called the vocal minority that doesn't have any influence at all. Not to mention being called entitled countless times. Everyone has complained because people saw this coming. The press did a great job at doing nothing to support anyone who voiced their opinion back then.
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thumb said:
I suspect he is referring to the implied assent given by purchase.
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Yup. I think he's talking about how every time they do something underhanded people give in. I've been saying this for years. I'm guilty too mind you. It started with Xbox. Oh let's charge to play online. We all complained but we paid the money. They started charging for things that were free for years in PC gaming. Map packs, skins, etc. We complained but we still paid for them. Then they locked shit behind that paywall they shouldn't have. Again we complained but we paid. Then came the online passes. Again we complained but still bought the games that had them. I could continue on but I think you get the point.

We do this every time. Sure some of us wake up and say you know I've had enough. But in the grand scheme it's true. We are the minority. Does that mean we can't make a difference? No we can. Those casuals we hate so much turn to us to find out what to buy. Family members turn to us. So we can make a difference. Some are trying to now. The question you have to ask now though is this. Is it too late?
 
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grumble

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snap0212 said:
He writes "As they drop each load, one by one, we barely protest, because each small weight on its own seems worth it" and I just have to wonder what he's talking about. People on here especially have been protesting for years.

Whenever we did, we were called the vocal minority that doesn't have any influence at all. Not to mention being called entitled countless times. Everyone has complained because people saw this coming. The press did a great job at doing nothing to support anyone who voiced their opinion back then.
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It's classic mass manipulation; as Stalin said, 'you can do anything to people as long as you do it to them slowly.' People only react to large changes in circumstance.
 
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xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
Vex said:
Just because I like some of the things MS is doing I'm marked as a viral-marketer, is this a joke. No I have no affiliation with Microsoft and if you read sites like N4G, IGN, Giantbomb it has been anti-MS since the early days of the Xbox. I can understand some of what they are doing, do I agree with all of it, hell no. However, I haven't agreed with alot of the things Sony has done in the past, though I am starting to come around with some of the announcements of the PS4, so keep pretending there is some marketing agenda to infiltrate spies into a gaming forum, but I can assure you I work for a medical software company and have nothing to do with MS business.
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Are you high?
 
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weekend_warrior

Banned
RepairmanJack said:
I'm just going to take a wild stab in the dark at how this family sharing will work.

In my family household I have my mother, my father, and two siblings. We have an Xbone, it is the CENTER OF THE LIVING ROOM ENTERTAINMENT. All my family members have separate accounts with varying levels of parental locks and accesses. When a game is bought by the family it is registered to that xbone and those accounts. My brother is going over to a friend’s house for the weekend and wants to take that game that was just bought to show a friend. He logs onto his account over at a friends and his access that's set by parental guides shows the games he is allowed to play that are registered on the home Xbone. He loads up the game and plays(as long as he stays online to be checked every hour).

It's not going to be some magical loophole to put your friends on a shared list to share every game you all buy. That is some stupid magical fairy tail land that literally every detail about the system contradicts. This is nothing more than the current family live account just applied to all accounts and now has the benefits of playing anywhere. I would almost guarantee it will rely on the xbox the account is made on and will need the same billing address. There is no reason what so ever to believe otherwise.

I'm not saying this is bad, but don't make it out to be some console saving feature that circumvents every other rule they have put in place. It's actually a pretty cool feature for a family, but not some drm saving grace.
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READ THIS POST. THIS GUY GETS IT.
 
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amishpriest99

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Right now this feels waaaaaaay worse to me than the $599 PS3 fiasco. Microsoft's E3 presser will be interesting to watch just to see how much canned applause they'll have to pipe in.
 
SmokedMeat

SmokedMeat

Gamer™
Kyzer said:
The mass marlet wont even care about this unless Sony makes aggressive statements in advertisement or something.
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I disagree that the mass market won't care. The mass market is the reason Gamestop is overflowing with used games. The mass market LOVES trading their games in. They love selling them on ebay. Games are not a priority, they can play them on other devices.

If anyone is going to bend over it's the core gamer that can't resist some new game in a franchise they just have to play.
 
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Wickerbasket

Member
Marty Chinn said:
It can't rely on the system that the account was created on because you're now dealing with accounts created on the original Xbox. This would be highly problematic.
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What I want to know is, have they finally made it so that when I sign into a Games for Windows Live game that it doesn't sign me out of my Xbox?
 
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Obscured

Member
Biggest thing for me is being able to buy online, day of release. I would have gone all digital this gen if I didn't have to wait so long for availability. It will be interesting to see how the family plan pans out and they mentioned your gold will transfer to the new system, but I wonder if there will be any other changes forthcoming (price, other types of plans, etc...)
 
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itsgreen

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xboxonepolicies.png
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I made an easy reference guide, and wrote a small piece about what MS can do, quite easily in my opinion, to make everything a whole lot better.
 
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Snubbers

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crazygambit said:
You clearly need a refreshing course in PR speak. It clearly says you can always play your games plural, while your family members play from your shared library i.e. not the same game. The way the paragraph is written it can be completely true while stopping you and your family members from playing the same game at the same time. Which I'm certain is the way it's gonna turn out.
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Of course I can't disagree that the statement could be a lie, but the interpretation is black and white.

The two statements are
A. You can always play your games
B And one other family member can also play one of your shared games


Yours: Only one can play the same game at a time
A would be false
B would be true

Mine: Both me and one other family member can play the game at the same time
A is true
B is true

In order for you to be correct, shared games cannot count as my games, and they are mutually exclusive lists, which is not remotely implied.
 
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weekend_warrior

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Marty Chinn said:
It can't rely on the system that the account was created on because you're now dealing with accounts created on the original Xbox. This would be highly problematic.
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What are you talking about? All accounts have to be tied to a primary console, doesn't matter if it's newly created or originally created on a 360. They detailed this when talking about the 24 hour ping on primary console vs the 1 hour ping on a secondary console.
 
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Marty Chinn

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weekend_warrior said:
What are you talking about? All accounts have to be tied to a primary console, doesn't matter if it's newly created or originally created on a 360. They detailed this when talking about the 24 hour ping on primary console vs the 1 hour ping on a secondary console.
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What I was replying to specifically said it would do a check based on which system the account was created on. I'm saying that's not possible. What you're saying is association, not creation. As of now on the Xbox 360, I don't believe there is a notion of primary console attached to an account. So is this new association thing confirmed?
 
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Owzers

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Pennywise said:
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Welp
If this is true, it's gonna be one hell of a show :D
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i know they are just joking about that, but i was thinking yesterday how great it would be if they did get kevin butler out there at e3 and just ripping Microsoft to shreds over drm/used games. I'd possibly trade my Legend of Dragoon 2 dreams for that to happen.

I'd buy Knack to see that.
 
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kitch9

Banned
ec0ec0 said:
what hapened with the thread about those new ps4 rumors about pricing, online, drm? i didnt have time to read it...
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Sonys ship is currently water tight, they have probably retreated whilst MS keeps firing it's acid jizz spurts in gamers faces so they can figure out how to best leverage the situation.

E3 has the chance to be spectacular or a massive let down.
 
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Pennywise

Member
sillymonkey321 said:
i know they are just joking about that, but i was thinking yesterday how great it would be if they did get kevin butler out there at e3 and just ripping Microsoft to shreds over drm/used games. I'd possibly trade my Legend of Dragoon 2 dreams for that to happen.

I'd buy Knack to see that.
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My fault then.
Didn't even knew about Butler being sued by Sony.
 
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weekend_warrior

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Marty Chinn said:
What I was replying to specifically said it would do a check based on which system the account was created on. I'm saying that's not possible. What you're saying is association, not creation. As of now on the Xbox 360, I don't believe there is a notion of primary console attached to an account. So is this new association thing confirmed?
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From the article released yesterday:

With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library.
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The games in your library will be attached to your console and gamertag. All the games attached to a console can be played by any account logged into that console. All the games attached to your gamertag can be played on any console, within the 1 hour ping limit. The most logical way the family thing works is that it will allow multiply accounts to be associated with 1 primary console so multiple people can access the games on 1 console.
 
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kitch9

Banned
Snubbers said:
Of course I can't disagree that the statement could be a lie, but the interpretation is black and white.

The two statements are
A. You can always play your games
B And one other family member can also play one of your shared games


Yours: Only one can play the same game at a time
A would be false
B would be true

Mine: Both me and one other family member can play the game at the same time
A is true
B is true

In order for you to be correct, shared games cannot count as my games, and they are mutually exclusive lists, which is not remotely implied.
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Only one person will be able to play anyone game at anyone time.

In order to access the shared folder you will need to be online at all times on all machines accessing it. They allow an hour which in the grand scheme of things is nothing.

If you think anything else will happen I would have to question your sanity.
 
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Foxix Von

Member
kitch9 said:
Sonys ship is currently water tight, they have probably retreated whilst MS keeps firing it's acid jizz spurts in gamers faces so they can figure out how to best leverage the situation.

E3 has the chance to be spectacular or a massive let down.
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Let's be realistic here. Even if it is massive let down it's still going to be spectacular.
 
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Orca

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Marty Chinn said:
What I was replying to specifically said it would do a check based on which system the account was created on. I'm saying that's not possible. What you're saying is association, not creation. As of now on the Xbox 360, I don't believe there is a notion of primary console attached to an account. So is this new association thing confirmed?
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The 360 has that in some form. When you try to download something using the website and fire up a second console it'll say it's assigned to another console. You can switch it easily, which makes me think it's not quite as defined as the One's 'primary' tag will be.
 
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NR1

Member
Hey everyone, I've been wanted to play BS Zelda for quite a while now, but I can never seem to find a used copy... Any help?

http://m.ign.com/articles/2002/02/08/hyrule-times-vol-14-bs-zelda

Nintendo wasn't doing what MS is trying now, but I can easily see the same type of situation coming to pass. This is a big reason I'm personally against downloadable content in general. I hate to think of all the content that was released over the years on Dreamcast, Playstaton, and Xbox that has since been list to time due to the limited digital availability.
 
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DenogginizerOS

BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
If Sony does adopt a similar system, then I guess it will come down to the lesser of two evils and who has the better exclusives/first party. How much can Sony retain of Microsoft's DRM plan for gamers to choose it over the One?

If Sony offers the following (or better), I will buy a PS4:

1. PS+ allows me to trial every game for an hour before I commit $60.

2. Discounts for preorders. If I can reduce the $60 entry fee by using coupons or selling my rights one time, then I will accept an all digital future.

3. I can play offline and I don't have to check in every 24 hours

4. My friends can trial a game for an hour without me losing my rights to it.

5. My PS4 will work when the eye is unplugged.

6. Sony commits to a future where games I buy for PS4 will be playable in the future on newer systems.
 
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