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Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features

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Jobiensis

Member
The family sharing has very careful wording.

I really don't think it is going to be that revolutionary of a feature. It is family, so whatever additional restrictions they have, I doubt you can belong to two different 'families'. I would bet money that it requires both parties to be online at all times, restricts the member using the shared library from running the same game that the sharer is running, and only one family member can be in your shared library at a time. So it is basically like ONE family member can grab a disk of yours and play it.
 
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Knux-Future

Banned
Microsoft apparently was going to do this with or without being pushed by Pubs.

They're not some innocent angel pushed into doing bad by bullies...they wanted this to.

and before the "bu-but Sony" gang shows up..yeah if Sony does it to, it's nto because they were forced. Pubs aren't as powerfull as many may think. If Pachter is correct, they actually didn't get what they wanted here and MS left them out to dry in a sense....
 
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Brashnir

Member
ShinUltramanJ said:
Why? Is it E3?

Why should they shout anything out? By saying nothing, they've let Microsoft be the guinea pig and announce how everything's going to work with Xbone. Now Sony can see the reaction and make adjustments seeing Microsoft facing a backlash the likes of which I've personally never seen in this hobby. They've gone ahead and shot themselves in the foot multiple times since the Sony reveal.

If Sony says anything it should be at E3, where they have a golden opportunity now to completely bury Microsoft. Had they said something months ago they could've been in the same hot water as Microsoft, but now they can come out smelling like a rose. We'll see what happens.
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If they were going to come out smelling like a rose, they'd already be out there smelling like one.
 
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quest

Not Banned from OT
Marty Chinn said:
It's all about the intent. They intend the usage to be among family members. You family tends to be much smaller than your circle of friends. So by saying hey pick your 10 closest friends, that opens up issues and all sorts of crap. I don't think there's anything to stop you from putting a friend on this list, but from Microsoft's view, it's easy enough to limit the usage, merely by making it sound like it's for family only. It's amazing how people will read something and just take it at face value without looking into it further if they even bother to read at all. So it's easy to get away with.
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Come one in todays world of the internet word of an exploit would spread like wild fire. Why would publishers who think used games take away from new sales allow this loop hole which is worse than used games? Instead of 1 no sale in their minds there are 9 no sales under this system. It will be highly restricted to house holds under 1 account and 1 person can play a given game at a time. Try and cheat the system they use location checks to figure it out and ban you.
 
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Basch

Member
fertygo said:
Wait, some actually buying that "family" thing?

Bwahahahahaha.. jebus

Its not even being super negative, but come on why they use "family" as playing term here.. why not just "friend" if the system actually generous. As we can read in different line, the lending between "friend" sound awful why its so different with "family"?

Its just carefully chosen word for organized fuckery.
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Probably because they will either have a feature where you can state who is family or they'll just assume the first 10 profiles set up on your system is considered family. To me, it sounds like they're taking a UV approach to the matter. I use UV regularly and so does my family and close friends. It works great. I'm sure that is why Microsoft chose the wording they did. I expect this to work very similarly.
 
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Vex

Banned
Just because I like some of the things MS is doing I'm marked as a viral-marketer, is this a joke. No I have no affiliation with Microsoft and if you read sites like N4G, IGN, Giantbomb it has been anti-MS since the early days of the Xbox. I can understand some of what they are doing, do I agree with all of it, hell no. However, I haven't agreed with alot of the things Sony has done in the past, though I am starting to come around with some of the announcements of the PS4, so keep pretending there is some marketing agenda to infiltrate spies into a gaming forum, but I can assure you I work for a medical software company and have nothing to do with MS business.
 
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Bunta

Fujiwara Tofu Shop
heyf00L said:
It's what the big 3rd parties want. That's why.

But what I've been saying from the start is that MS can't do this alone. It's suicide to implement all of this and Sony not to. The 3rd parties must have gotten both MS and Sony to agree, but MS has been more vocal about it. You'll see. Sony will have the exact same measures in place on the PS4.
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I don't think so, we'll see.
 
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Marty Chinn

Member
quest said:
Come one in todays world of the internet word of an exploit would spread like wild fire. Why would publishers who think used games take away from new sales allow this loop hole which is worse than used games? Instead of 1 no sale in their minds there are 9 no sales under this system. It will be highly restricted to house holds under 1 account and 1 person can play a given game at a time. Try and cheat the system they use location checks to figure it out and ban you.
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It's just like Netflix, Amazon, and HBO Go. In theory the extra access is meant for family, but there's nothing to stop you from adding a friend. How many people really take advantage of this despite it being today's world of the Internet? I mean did you know you can split Amazon Prime among 5 people to split the cost? $15.80 a year for Amazon Prime or $1.32 a month is an amazing deal!
 
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Jac_Solar

Member
heyf00L said:
It's what the big 3rd parties want. That's why.

But what I've been saying from the start is that MS can't do this alone. It's suicide to implement all of this and Sony not to. The 3rd parties must have gotten both MS and Sony to agree, but MS has been more vocal about it. You'll see. Sony will have the exact same measures in place on the PS4.
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Yeah, but they must realize that this will be an extremely hard sell, and in the current economic climate, is it worth it? I also think that destroying the regular used and rental market will be very bad for gaming overall.

In all the years of media, no other format has completely removed the regular options. They've tried, but nowhere near as extreme as this -- giving the option of trading/reselling to the publishers, the people responsible for backing and making most of the games.

Gaming is obviously quite different from the other formats, but I still think that the used/resell market adds a necessary balance and adds a lot of money to the general pool of the gaming industry, indirectly and directly.
 
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Kun Aguero

Member
heyf00L said:
Sony will have the exact same measures in place on the PS4.
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Sony already confirmed the PS4 can stay offline for the duration, no need to connect whatsoever if that's what the gamer wants. So how can they possibly enforce used game drm? They had that patent, but have said it's nothing to do with the PS4.
 
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Doomshine

Member
Vex said:
Just because I like some of the things MS is doing I'm marked as a viral-marketer, is this a joke. No I have no affiliation with Microsoft and if you read sites like N4G, IGN, Giantbomb it has been anti-MS since the early days of the Xbox.
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Can't speak for the other sites, but really?
 
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Marty Chinn

Member
Kun Aguero said:
Sony already confirmed the PS4 can stay offline for the duration, no need to connect whatsoever if that's what the gamer wants. So how can they possibly enforce used game drm? They had that patent, but have said it's nothing to do with the PS4.
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I would imagine a publisher/developer could make it a requirement. Even though the system in general can stay offline, there's nothing to stop a specific game from making it a requirement.
 
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Jack_AG

Banned
Brashnir said:
If they were going to come out smelling like a rose, they'd already be out there smelling like one.
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E3 is the most watched expo of the year. Saving your news for E3 can easily squelch ANYTHING MS has to say about games this year.

Much more fun to keep that wound wide open for longer to keep the #fuckdrm conversation going into launch. Keep people talking about it so it sticks with them at release. You don't want this conversation forgotten this holiday season.
 
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NullPointer

Member
Touch said:
lol wtf happened to this world
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We developed a technology that allows us to encode a myriad of experiences, make infinite perfect copies, and easily distribute them at the speed of light.

Then the status quo went to war with it and is systematically trying to remove everything that makes digital technology and the internet what it is.

And they have the gall to tell us they're showing us the future.
 
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fertygo

Member
Marty Chinn said:
It's all about the intent. They intend the usage to be among family members. You family tends to be much smaller than your circle of friends. So by saying hey pick your 10 closest friends, that opens up issues and all sorts of crap. I don't think there's anything to stop you from putting a friend on this list, but from Microsoft's view, it's easy enough to limit the usage, merely by making it sound like it's for family only. It's amazing how people will read something and just take it at face value without looking into it further if they even bother to read at all. So it's easy to get away with.
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Its sure nice as shit if we can "exploit" it, but come on now no way its that easy.. look somebody already open thread for that, accepting people as your "family circle" and such.. But the system clearly not intended for that.

Its a carefully chosen word, like you said its much more unlikely to actually use that "feature" with our family.. most of them probably not gaming at all.
 
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quest

Not Banned from OT
Marty Chinn said:
It's just like Netflix, Amazon, and HBO Go. In theory the extra access is meant for family, but there's nothing to stop you from adding a friend. How many people really take advantage of this despite it being today's world of the Internet. I mean did you know you can split Amazon Prime among 5 people to split the cost? $15.80 a year for Amazon Prime or $1.32 a month is an amazing deal!
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Big difference is you are giving your account to someone. People still do this despite that fact and that is for a cheap 7.99 a month streaming service. What are they going to do to save on a 59.99 dollar games? We have past history with the PS3. Publishers made sony change game sharing on PSN from 5 to 2 from developer pressure. You think they are going to let 10 people freely share games?
 
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Glorified G

Member
travisbickle said:
The big difference is MS has put in an infrastructure that checks game authenticity with a mandatory daily online login, and controls the price of resale with specialist retailers only allowed to purchase secondhand games.

MS have said they'll be allowing people to give away their game to one person, and sell it back to specialist retailers, but will allow other publishers to opt out of these.

If sony hassn't put in such an infrastructure, I don't know how publishers could do the same thing on Sony's console....unless it all becomes clear next week?
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And if you don't need an online connection with the ps4 like sony confirmed, this infrastructure would be impossible.
 
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Jeff-DSA

Member
For all those exclusive games. And 3rd party games, I guess.

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Orca

Member
Jac_Solar said:
That makes a lot of sense.

I mean, I don't get this console -- why did MS make this? Did they think people would really enjoy these features? I really doubt that. So, why? It's so weird.

If it was an all digital console, it would be a completely different deal. But as it stands, it's supposed to be a regular console but with all these digital measures that makes it awful. Are they going to give these away for free to get an install base?

All those arbitrary rules just to play a game. Even if it cost 50$ or something like that, I still wouldn't want it.

There was also a rumor that MS was going to release 2 types of consoles -- one digital, one regular. Maybe the digital one was supposed to get all these restrictions and features, while the other was just going to be a regular console.
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It really seems like it's an all digital console, but you can use retail discs (which add the game to your account) to avoid the download. All games are apparently going to be available for download day one of retail - not sure on preload or if that's just first party though.
 
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Marty Chinn

Member
quest said:
Big difference is you are giving your account to someone. People still do this despite that fact and that is for a cheap 7.99 a month streaming service. What are they going to do to save on a 59.99 dollar games? We have past history with the PS3. Publishers made sony change game sharing on PSN from 5 to 2 from developer pressure. You think they are going to let 10 people freely share games?
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I do not have give my account out for Amazon or Netflix. Amazon is as simple as you adding their email address. Netflix let's you create a credential that they access with their own login. Neither have access to the primary account. So, again we're on the Internet, did you know about how you can get Amazon Prime cheap? It doesn't sound like it.

I think they're banking on that friends will want to play together and this shared library thing limits you to having only one person being allowed access to any specified game at a given time. So, I don't think it's that big of a deal.
 
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BigDug13

Member
Marty Chinn said:
I would imagine a publisher/developer could make it a requirement. Even though the system in general can stay offline, there's nothing to stop a specific game from making it a requirement.
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It's easier to avoid a specific game or a specific publisher than it is to have to avoid an entire game system due to how a feature is implemented. Publishers have always had the power to enact stricter DRM. Always. But consoles have never done it for them to this level until now. 24 hour internet connection requirements? That's just epic stupidity and something I can't support.

Steam doesn't do it, Wii-U doesn't do it, I suspect PS4 won't do it, only Microsoft.
 
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Marty Chinn

Member
BigDug13 said:
It's easier to avoid a specific game or a specific publisher than it is to have to avoid an entire game system due to how a feature is implemented. Publishers have always had the power to enact stricter DRM. Always. But consoles have never done it for them to this level until now. 24 hour internet connection requirements? That's just epic stupidity and something I can't support.
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I agree. I'm just saying, just because Sony says you can leave your console offline, that doesn't mean the PS4 might not have this to some degree. I think what the likely scenario is Sony gives the developer/publisher the option but Sony has no mandate and they encourage you not to but as a developer/publisher you have the right to make that choice. I'm just saying it's possible to still happen despite Sony's own policy and stance.
 
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BigDug13

Member
Marty Chinn said:
I agree. I'm just saying, just because Sony says you can leave your console offline, that doesn't mean the PS4 might not have this to some degree. I think what the likely scenario is Sony gives the developer/publisher the option but Sony has no mandate and they encourage you not to but as a developer/publisher you have the right to make that choice. I'm just saying it's possible to still happen despite Sony's own policy and stance.
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But my point is that it's always been possible. There's been nothing in this past generation to stop publishers from making their games require an online connection to function. Why does Sony have to announce features or a lack of features that have always existed that allows publishers to do whatever they want? It's always been up to publishers, so I'm not sure why Microsoft decided to do the legwork and build the infrastructure for them.
 
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Kyzer

Banned
Uh...thanks Major Nelson for bullshitting around.

The mass marlet wont even care about this unless Sony makes aggressive statements in advertisement or something.
 
Fredrik

Fredrik

Member
What happens if you don't have it connected to the internet in 24 hours?
Will you temporarly lose your licences during the off time? the console think you only have trial/demo versions of the games you've purchased?
 
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kitch9

Banned
Fredrik said:
What happens if you don't have it connected to the internet in 24 hours?
Will you temporarly lose your licences during the off time? the console think you only have trial/demo versions of the games you've purchased?
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"Please reconnect Dave, we haven't seen you for a while."
 
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mcfrank

Member
http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/7/4406170/xbox-one-internet-trade-policy

After a month of vague corporate comments from Microsoft executives, we now know the Xbox One's game licensing policy was written from the ground up for companies. It's aggressively anti-consumer and anti-middle class, and it outright ignores underprivileged gamers. It's gross, despicable, greedy, pathetic, cowardly and out of touch with a growing global resentment for corporations.
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Marty Chinn

Member
BigDug13 said:
But my point is that it's always been possible. There's been nothing in this past generation to stop publishers from making their games require an online connection to function. Why does Sony have to announce features or a lack of features that have always existed that allows publishers to do whatever they want? It's always been up to publishers, so I'm not sure why Microsoft decided to do the legwork and build the infrastructure for them.
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I don't think they have to announce it. I'm just saying it's not safe to assume that such DRM won't exist on the PS4, especially if some devs want it and are a contributing factor to why the Xbox One is the way it is. There's still a chance you will see equivalent DRM for a third party title being applied to the Xbox One and PS4. I sure hope the backlash prevents this from happening and that publishers wise up, but it's still possible on the PS4.
 
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darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
mcfrank said:
http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/7/4406170/xbox-one-internet-trade-policy
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Yeah. Liked the end.


Next week, I will visit the Electronic Entertainment Expo, the annual celebration of video games' biggest corporations. Microsoft will be hosting a lavish press conference to further acquaint the world with its new system. But the company's executives won't be meeting with much of the press. They canceled their post-press conference interviews, all of them as best I can tell, and have even canceled some interviews at the show itself. I understand. They probably couldn't fit everyone in between all the CEOs they have to meet with.

Microsoft is married to business now. They don't have time for consumers anymore.
 
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mightynine

Member
Fredrik said:
What happens if you don't have it connected to the internet in 24 hours?
Will you temporarly lose your licences during the off time? the console think you only have trial/demo versions of the games you've purchased?
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Permission will be enabled to enjoy a live TV or Blu-Ray movie experience on your Xbox One.
 
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snap0212

Member
PsychoRaven said:
You know I usually am one of those giving Kotaku shit but it's nice to see an article from them like the one Luke made. I've found myself asking the questions he is many times the last several years here.


In case someone hasn't seen it.

http://kotaku.com/video-game-companies-arent-letting-us-do-anything-511789152
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He writes "As they drop each load, one by one, we barely protest, because each small weight on its own seems worth it" and I just have to wonder what he's talking about. People on here especially have been protesting for years.

Whenever we did, we were called the vocal minority that doesn't have any influence at all. Not to mention being called entitled countless times. Everyone has complained because people saw this coming. The press did a great job at doing nothing to support anyone who voiced their opinion back then.
 
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Rezae

Member
The thing that should scare any potential customer is what happens if your Live account gets banned? I've read a lot of stories thru the years about Live accounts getting banned with no recourse. MS is one of the last companies I'd trust to resolve mistakes smoothly.
 
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