I want to like this game, but the segments they've been showing thus far just seem overly barren/sterile. I just don't see enough interactivity with the environment that helps make this kind of game appealing.
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Knack new gameplay
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eddfromtheriver
Banned
Yeah, if anything... a more vibrant color palette would've made the graphics even more impressive.
Cerny said that in every level there is a different mechanic to the way you use Knack (Stealth Knack, Ice Knack, Regular Knack and more)
Well, I don't. But ACIT is not a bad game either.
Yeah, because SM64 jump jump is so fun and innovative, lol. [/quote]
But it is EMPTY. That's my problem with this game.
And I'm not saying that SM64 long jump is innovative (but actually it was), but it gives some control over the character and the oportunity to move faster - and THAT'S my problem with this Knack video, so much parts with NOTHING happening.
Yes, Knack can be more creative, but how does this creavity translates into cool gameplay mechanics? I like the concept of Knack, I don't like the execution.
Super Mario 3D World is not a generic game, ok, it have a common Super Mario art style, but I don't anybody comparing to "saturday morning cartoons" or "dreamwork movies". It's simple, yes, but it's not generic at all.
Oh that's cool.
XtremeXpider
Member
Ninja Gaiden gameplay? maybe I'm seeing the wrong videos :?
Hope so. The two sections they showed off had medium sized Knack and then gigantic Knack as well as enemies that start to scale as you start to get big so it's not like the level is completely static. The different powers in each level should also help change things up but I'm still a bit cautious.
Anyways that was a cool video although I wish people would try to engage with Yusuke Watanabe.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Isn't ram a major factor with keeping game objects from disappearing, so why is this going on when they have 7 gigs worth?
I agree with you here. The launch lineup looks so heavy on First and Third Person Shooters, I want this game to be great just so I have something different to play. I might end up getting this just to have something different.
Impeccable
Member
None of which comes out on PS4? lol
Hmm. For me Knack undoubtedly has charm but from the little gameplay I've seen it seems very uninspired. Didn't have the sound up on this vid, so may have missed something, but I'm not sure I see that much value in his growing and shrinking in size. As others have said the camera is a bit janky too. Finally, not very impressed with his interaction with the environment.
On the plus side the environments look much more impressive. To my eyes at least it looks impressively next gen (although it's probably not that taxing). Depending on launch timing I'll probably get it.
Here's to hoping they "shine that shit up for the APU" in the coming months.
On the plus side the environments look much more impressive. To my eyes at least it looks impressively next gen (although it's probably not that taxing). Depending on launch timing I'll probably get it.
Here's to hoping they "shine that shit up for the APU" in the coming months.
Yes, c'mon, compare it with any Crash Bandicoot stage and you will some more speed and more things that could really hurt your character.
Also it is worth mentioning that game is not even in alpha people. Vanishing bodies, some janky animations here and there, problems with collision detection etc. All those things will be hammered when game will launch.
I really love game-play.
I know Platinum is top tier studio but comparisons like that need to stop. Those games are not even is same gengre.
I really love game-play.
I know Platinum is top tier studio but comparisons like that need to stop. Those games are not even is same gengre.
I hate to break it to you, but no amount of RAM will ever completely eliminate those issues regarding optimizing of graphics and performance.
sure, but what i'm getting at is that few platforming fans are going to buy a ps4 for a single action-platformer day 1 when they're being swamped with them on other systems, leaving it to people buying the system for watch dogs, driveclub and killzone. maybe three years ago this would be different.
I believe it when I see it.
Impeccable
Member
You're assuming everyone has a Wii U, Vita or 3DS.
I guess I'm just in the train of thought that someone might want variety on their shiny new system and the offerings around them don't necessarily weigh into the process.
Who knows really though. It'll be interesting to see the sales numbers.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
How come I can move around, remove, add objects in Fallout 3 and it'll stay exactly the same forever, I could come back 50 hours later at the end of the game and those items will still be as they were. That game had a console version on 512mb.
Glorified G
Member
Have they said this or are you speculating?
zeopower6
Member
lol, yeah... he was largely ignored when Geoff interviewed him/Cerny and also during this PS Blog interview. Oh well, it'd probably be easier if they didn't have to go through Cerny to ask him a question.
I think a lot of the PS4 games we saw were in Alpha/Pre-Alpha... #Driveclub was apparently at about 35% completion.
Here's the important thing guys.
Games like this are only going to come around once in a while in between your regular big budget event games. So be glad of it, even if it doesn't look like Mario or whatever.
I thought Kameo was mediocre when the Xbox 360 came out, but I never dreamed that there wouldn't be another game like it for the system.
Games like this are only going to come around once in a while in between your regular big budget event games. So be glad of it, even if it doesn't look like Mario or whatever.
I thought Kameo was mediocre when the Xbox 360 came out, but I never dreamed that there wouldn't be another game like it for the system.
Because the developers decided to prioritize object persistence.
Hot Coldman
Banned
This just looks really pleasing. A title where you can pick it up and launch and have a solid idea of how much fun you're gonna have.
I am also of the ones that are trying to like but apparently can't.
Doesn't look, not sure about the art. Not appealing at first glance.
The character isn't much attractive either, not appealed.
Level looks bland and uninspired, dunno, it feels barren.
And that's bad because 3D "platformers" are so rare...
Doesn't look, not sure about the art. Not appealing at first glance.
The character isn't much attractive either, not appealed.
Level looks bland and uninspired, dunno, it feels barren.
And that's bad because 3D "platformers" are so rare...
I don't get why the disappearing enemies/objects thing keeps getting brought up for this particular game? It's been possible to keep bodies lying around if you want with consoles for quite a while, it just depends on the kind of game you're making. This one is meant to be a light-hearted, kid-friendly action game that doesn't want to leave a body count on the ground simply for reasons of tone and age-appropriateness, not because of any particular technical issues with doing so. Plenty of games in the same vein make the same decision.
opticalmace
Member
I am also of the ones that are trying to like but apparently can't.
Doesn't look, not sure about the art. Not appealing at first glance.
The character isn't much attractive either, not appealed.
Level looks bland and uninspired, dunno, it feels barren.
And that's bad because 3D "platformers" are so rare...
Did you watch the cave level and the giant-knack-in-town part?
I agree the first bit might be sorta sparse, but I think the following levels are really cool.
i think having a diversity helps the system in general perception. i heard a lot of people talk (friends, internet, press) about how they liked the sony press conference more than the microsoft one because they showed a better range of games, which feeds into which system they choose buy, but i expect knack to bomb.
i don't think it appeals to most people who buy the system day 1 and those it does will probably own enough other systems to be platformered out by the time the ps4 comes around.
Sorry, I just had to tease you a bit
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Goodacre0081
Member
looks charming but not as deep as I hoped. right now I'm not convinced this should be at the $60 price point. I also think this should be the free game we get with PS+ and not Drive Club.
Speculating.
It shows that all this which i described are part of being early build. You can even see how camera breaks in one scene. Bodies simply vanish in air without any sort of animation which tells you that they didn't put in any yet and what you saw is "placeholder" if we could name no animation like that.
Pristine_Condition
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Pixel Junk Eden, published by Sony in 2008, was and is still the best pure, hardcore platformer of the entire generation. As a pure platformer even besting the Mario Galaxy games.
Chuck Norris
Banned
I can't nail what I dislike about it, I think its that its so clean. If I'm causing all this chaos, there is no proof of it. All the bodies disappear (which I think is for the G rating), Knack isn't damaging buildings and the ground around him. It would be much cooler if he was. You know if you transform into a giant creature all you want to do is smash stuff, the problem with this game is it doesn't feel like you're a giant even when you are
It would also be cool if the city were more alive, citizens running away and such.
Also the gameplay seems fun, but shallow. Compare it with Wonderful 101 and its a big difference
It would also be cool if the city were more alive, citizens running away and such.
Also the gameplay seems fun, but shallow. Compare it with Wonderful 101 and its a big difference
VGChampion
Member
I am also of the ones that are trying to like but apparently can't.
Doesn't look, not sure about the art. Not appealing at first glance.
The character isn't much attractive either, not appealed.
Level looks bland and uninspired, dunno, it feels barren.
And that's bad because 3D "platformers" are so rare...
This is how I feel. They mentioned how the original character was just a blob of goo and honestly, if they gave that goo eyes I think I'd find it more appealing than the Knack character.
I think people don't get that those games are still being created. Collision detection, some placeholder things, framerate, IQ, objects on screen that reacts to physic (including object staying in scene not vanishing after second) those things will change and it is false to assume what we saw will be final gameplay and how it will look.
For example DriveClub didn't even have QA yet
Could be rating reasons because this is a game for kids. In Germany dead bodies were censored all the time to disappear back in the days when our rating board was more restrictive.
The reasoning someone posted was that having a dead body that continually exists would factor in on the ESRB rating that the game gets. I don't know if anyone can actually confirm whether that is the actual reason but it sounds valid.
That is a great way to describe it. I want this to be the fun platformer, but there just doesn't seem to be much going on right now. Maybe this is all scaled back, but when I think of SONY platformer I am thinking of Spyro or R&C etc. Hopefully there's more craziness that we haven't seen, but right now I'm getting a very "Meh. . ." vibe from the gameplay. It does look good though, that is not in doubt.
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
Member
Gameplay looks good, but I am very disappointed in the environment. Looks like an extremely generic city.
Refreshment.01
Member
I know you guys like Cerny and all, very likeable person. But this game isn't looking so hot, gameplay wise doesn't seem very interesting. It needs a lot more time in the oven so hopefully it won't be a launch title.
Edit: And forgot to thank the OP for the link. Game didnt get enough coverage i think. Everything was Killzone this and that XD
zeopower6
Member
It's definitely a launch title.