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Watch Dogs: On doubts everything is scripted, PS4 vs Xbox One, PC version
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Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
It looks like Assassin's Creed: Chicago to me, and it looks just as scripted as those games. Take that as you will.
GetemMa
Member
Well I don't think his feelings are unfounded based on what I've seen. It could be great, GOTY level, but a lot of the demos make it seem like AC mechanics in a modern setting with the same kind of scripted set pieces from AC. If the hacking is a thin part of the game, which it seems to be, we could be looking at a game that is kind of one dimensional. It all depends on how free the open world is and how many angles we can perform take downs and infiltration. I am cautiously optimistic, but this has changed from what I once considered one of my most anticipated games this year.
you know, except for this being one of the VERY first titles on either platform and its also launching on current gen consoles, there's that.
GetemMa
Member
Many reasons.
Dev Kits have been constantly changing throughout the development of these launch titles. The dev tools are constantly being improved throughout the entire gen and these devs are only starting to learn how to get the most of them because the HW architecture is entirely different from current gen. Plus, all of the assets that are designed for these gross gen games won't be as ambitious as they could be by design for reasons that should be obvious. This is nothing new when it comes to launch games.
GravityMan
Member
- The game is scripted. The developer can spin it all he wants...the bottom line is that the game is almost surely going to be scripted. I doubt there's a single developer in the industry who's talented enough to create a fully non-scripted game that's highly polished within a reasonable budget and time-frame.
- I doubt Watch_Dogs will be optimized for any platform...current gen, next gen or PC.
- I doubt Watch_Dogs will be optimized for any platform...current gen, next gen or PC.
How underpowered do guys actually think the Xbox is? Ya it may not be as powerful as ps4, but it's still a beast.
thetrin
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What is your definition of gimmicky?
ZeroGravity
Member
Still looking like the game of the year to me.
We won't know until MS either release the specs or when the console launch and people can open it up. But base on all the leaks so far stating it's GPU is up to 40% weaker and the difference is RAM performance, it will be noticeable.
I'm guessing you're actually asking what I thought was gimmicky in the game, rather than my dictionary definition of "gimmicky."
anyway, the "smart phone that does everything" part. It doesn't seem to add any depth. They showed the "lights out" trick about 10 times in the gameplay footage. And what use was that aside from making the NPCs completely discombobulated, so you can get away free. It brings up useless information about NPCs just to add more "cool shit" to pop up on the screen. And then when the action happens, it looks like some shallow physical and armed combat. The actual mission structures shown don't appear to be anything unique. Track a guy, corner him, beat him up, a hairy situation leading to a shoot out in the streets--been there done that in GTA for the past 10+ years. But this time he will mildly control the environment with his phone. Spoilers: you will drive a car controlling it completely from the phone at some point, you will make bridges go up and down, and unlock doors and crap with it while being chased, etc.
Typical Ubisoft crap. Just like "free running" is a gimmick in assassin's creed along with the animus parallel storyline crap and drowning the map in busy work quests.
While I mostly believe you in the scripted part, hasn't this game been in development since early 2009? That would be close to 5 years at launch.
I wouldn't classify either of these machines as "beasts", especially the Xbone.
Too Human 10+ years in development
Duke Nukem Forever 10+ years in development
Ok, so to those of you saying that a dev won't outright say whether the game will run better on one platform or the other, I agree, but what about this?
Watch Dogs Has a More Dynamic City on Xbox One
Watch Dogs Has a More Dynamic City on Xbox One
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
You basically voiced exactly why I lost interest in this game. There was so much talk about all the cool things you could do with all the power you have, but the more I see, the shallower it all looks.
That's a current vs next gen comparison. Ubi talked about it before when they unveiled the PS4 version at the PS Meeting.
Ok, good. Thanks. I thought it was just the editor of the web site wording it out of context.
If you read the full quote, he is referring to the difference between the Xbone One version and the current Generation version.
via http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1987185/nextgen_it_will_take_a_while_to_use_full_power_of_those_machines_says_watch_dog_producer.html
Constant development of a game played on 8GB RAM and development hell on games with 512 MB RAM are two VASTLY different things.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Funny to see people just outright trashing the One's power when we don't even have the systems yet, and when devs say there won't be a huge difference. But okay.
just trying to point out that development time doesn't matter. It how skilled the development team is.
Why bite the hands that feeds?
Ok, great! I had my suspicions that it was a poorly written and a quote-mined "article."
Off-topic: but would anybody know how they go about building those controller sculpts? There's an image of them in that wired article. Would be cool to build a custom controller for yourself.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/05/xbox-one-development-photos/#slideid-138491
http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1987185..._producer.html
interesting
yea I think these machines as a whole, not just specs, will be closer than we are attributing currently
looking forward to just how dynamic they can make this world, it is the thing that I always appreciate the most from open world games and this new gen looks to be a friggin big payoff in that department
interesting
yea I think these machines as a whole, not just specs, will be closer than we are attributing currently
looking forward to just how dynamic they can make this world, it is the thing that I always appreciate the most from open world games and this new gen looks to be a friggin big payoff in that department
SenjutsuSage
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Or the Xbox One isn't as weak as some people believe, even if the PS4 has some clear advantages.
Dave Baumann post on beyond3d in reference to the Xbox One's graphics capabilities in being compared to discrete GPUs such as the Radeon 7770GHZ Edition and the Radeon 7790.
http://beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1762942&postcount=4632
This is not unlike saying by leveraging the Cell you can get better looking games on the PS3 than the 360.
The fact of the matter is this will almost never ever happen for multiplatform games. And even if you could leverage it, you'd still end up slightly short vs PS4.
We've talked about this so. many. times.
Re Dave's comment - you can bet that the Xbone GPU can be twice as fast as a 7770 in certain benchmarks, nothing surprising.
Having said that, on topic so it's going to be a huge gap in multiplats between the Xbone and PS4.
Benchmarks that kill the card with insane tessellation workloads
Having said that, on topic so it's going to be a huge gap in multiplats between the Xbone and PS4.
SenjutsuSage
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That's the thing. People are way too often making a comparison to the PS4, when the Xbox One only needs to deliver incredible games. They don't necessarily have to be better than or 100% equal to their PS4 counterparts. They simply have to look and play amazingly to the point that whatever the PS4 version's advantages are, they don't matter to anybody outside of the most hardcore gamer or tech aficionado that follows all of this stuff religiously. Also, anybody comparing the Xbox One's development environment or architecture to the complexity of the cell processor is way overselling the complexity of Xbox One development.
What makes this statement, I think, more significant than normal coming from somebody like Dave is that he's one of the few people that people can't just say "Yea, he doesn't know what he's talking about." Any wager he's willing to make on what the Xbox One hardware may be capable of when devs get a handle on things such as ESRAM is one that I'm willing to take to the bank. Even with the PS4 being more powerful, the large detail being missed is that this doesn't somehow make the Xbox One weak. It isn't a weak console, and though it will require more care than developing on the PS4, devs definitely won't have anywhere as much trouble as they did with the PS3 and cell. This won't even be the case on 3rd party titles. Only early third party tiles at best. ESRAM in a lot of ways is an extension of EDRAM on the 360, except its more versatile.
As someone who is not too great at putting his feelings into words — thank you! This is pretty much how I feel... I hadn't really thought about it until now. There were a lot of games in the past generation that seemed too big to fail with a mountain of hype at their back and I realized that with how little we know about Watch Dogs, anything can happen.
I am SO fucking glad I'm not this cynical when it comes to games. Just like the people who nitpick EVERY single thing about a movie.
I just go for the ride and I either have fun or I don't. Watch_Dogs looks fun.
Can you guys stop posting this shit?
It's a comparison between current-gen and next-gen. Not XBone and PS4.
You are the worst when it comes to Xbone bullshit.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
if you don't know who Dave Baumann is, then you should look him up. If he says something like that, it more than likely isn't bullshit. That isn't to say that a launch third party title will be showing the full potential of either system, but as time passes, I think it will be proven out that the Xbox One is a lot more capable than people think.
PdotMichael
Banned
You expected him to say anything different, like shit son dont buy dat xbone kid?. How many times did we see devs say multi plats this gen would be equal when it turned out not to be so.
mercenar1e
Member
what the hell are you talking about... it is distinctly about PS4 and Xbox as well as the dynamic game play
Watch Dogs article
and from the OP
thesuperfunk
Member
Happens every generation ... dev tools get further optimsed, games engines get more streamlined, etc, etc as the developers continue to get to grips with the new hardware.
Can you elaborate on why that is why it was different this generation?
Cell was a bitch.
Honestly, publishers want parity with their games. They have relationships to think about. Sure you might get a few differences here and there but people expecting PS4 games to run double the frame rate and stuff like that are insane.
Parity is the goal.
Its first party offerings that will make a console sing.