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[Kid Ying]

I've saw some people saying that we can't say much of Pikmin numbers cause we don't have digital. I agree, specially because Nintendo did the 10% discount and stuff, but let's be honest, can't be much more than it already is. Pikmin was the top spot on eshop for 2 days (until it lost it's place for Donkey Kong). I can't believe we're talking of a difference bigger than 10k.

The release list is bad, but it could be worse. We have at least a couple of potential 100k sellers, like Wii party, Wonderful 101 and some games that are locked to do big numbers, like Zelda and Mario. Since Nintendo still haven't announced how it will be the schedule for the holidays, i fully expect to see Donkey Kong. Otherwise, they're dumb.

Next week it's going to be very interesting. DC, Lego, Wiiu path to hell...

 

[Takao]

Most Vita games have a 10% discount off of MSRP on PSN too. Clearly we must add 100k to each game's total.

 

[schuelma]

Most Vita games have a 10% discount off of MSRP on PSN too. Clearly we must add 100k to each game's total.

Err who said anything close to that? Certainly not the post above yours.

 

[schuelma]

Did PS3 really sell worse during its first year? I thought Wii U was breaking records.

Wii U had a relatively strong launch compared to PS3 Vita. The weekly sales pre Pikmin were the record setting ones...

 

[Takao]

Err who said anything close to that? Certainly not the post above yours.

It was sarcasm. We don't know what the digital numbers are so they're rarely brought up, no matter the platform.

 

[L Thammy]

Did PS3 really sell worse during its first year? I thought Wii U was breaking records.

If only you had a graph with which to compare the two.

Wii U launch was stronger and so it's total is higher, but its weekly numbers were worse. Besides its price, PS3 also had little in the way of appealing games at this point. EDIT: Ah, the doggie man beat me.

 

[schuelma]

It was sarcasm. We don't know what the digital numbers are so they're rarely brought up, no matter the platform.

Sarcasm in response to what though? A post saying the digital numbers probably weren't substantial?

 

[Aquamarine]

I've saw some people saying that we can't say much of Pikmin numbers cause we don't have digital. I agree, specially because Nintendo did the 10% discount and stuff, but let's be honest, can't be much more than it already is. Pikmin was the top spot on eshop for 2 days (until it lost it's place for Donkey Kong). I can't believe we're talking of a difference bigger than 10k.

The release list is bad, but it could be worse. We have at least a couple of potential 100k sellers, like Wii party, Wonderful 101 and some games that are locked to do big numbers, like Zelda and Mario. Since Nintendo still haven't announced how it will be the schedule for the holidays, i fully expect to see Donkey Kong. Otherwise, they're dumb.

Next week it's going to be very interesting. DC, Lego, Wiiu path to hell...

The utter absence of ANY Japanese third-party support for the system is honestly the most scary thing about the Wii U for me when it comes to future console momentum in Japan.

I keep getting worried about the Wii U following the same path set by Xbox 360 and Xbox before it...i.e. the Wii U carrying the burden of being labeled as a "Western console."

 

[Mpl90]

The utter absence of ANY Japanese third-party support for the system is honestly the most scary thing about the Wii U for me when it comes to future console momentum in Japan.

I keep getting worried about the Wii U following the same path set by Xbox 360 and Xbox before it...i.e. the Wii U carrying the burden of being labeled as a "Western console."

Yeah, it's amazingly scary to see such an absurd scenario (a Nintendo console being labeled as a "Western console") not that absurd anymore. Japanese's third party support is almost non-existant, it's like WiiU never came out in Japan. Not even N64 was such a wasteland.

 

[Aquamarine]

Did PS3 really sell worse during its first year? I thought Wii U was breaking records.

Wii U LTD (Weeks 1-33) - 996,825

PS3 LTD (Weeks 1-33) - 970,270

 

[Kid Ying]

The utter absence of ANY Japanese third-party support for the system is honestly the most scary thing about the Wii U for me when it comes to future console momentum in Japan.

I keep getting worried about the Wii U following the same path set by Xbox 360 and Xbox before it...i.e. the Wii U carrying the burden of being labeled as a "Western console."

It's crazy. Even Sangokushi is just the same game already released on Wiiu with an add-on. For all intents, only Sonic (which the last time it made respectable numbers was on the Dreamcast) and Yakuza (which is a port of a port that never did okay to begin with) are "new" games.

And Yakuza is going to die an horrible death. The game is going to be released in a couple of weeks and still sits on the 1000 position on amazon jp. 10k launch week could be a good result for it.

But i think next year will get better. Can't possibly be worse. Nintendo will probably moneyhat a couple of big games and that alone is a thousand times better than the actual situation.

 

[DragonSworne]

Yeah, it's amazingly scary to see such an absurd scenario (a Nintendo console being labeled as a "Western console") not that absurd anymore. Japanese's third party support is almost non-existant, it's like WiiU never came out in Japan. Not even N64 was such a wasteland.

Iwata is banking on Yakuza 1+2 HD and Sonic being positive examples of successful third party games selling well on Wii U.

Hopefully these titles will convince Square-Enx to bring FFXV and KH3 to Wii U and also convince Konami to port MGS5 to the Wii U as well. Also, hopefully Capcom will port SF5 and the next Resident Evil to Wii U once Sonic does well.

 

[schuelma]

Yeah, it's amazingly scary to see such an absurd scenario (a Nintendo console being labeled as a "Western console") not that absurd anymore. Japanese's third party support is almost non-existant, it's like WiiU never came out in Japan. Not even N64 was such a wasteland.

Yeah it really is incredible. I would say absolute best case scenario now is for Wii U to get casual games which had success on Wii- Taiko Drum, Go vacation, maybe Inazuma Strikers. Any support besides that seems incredibly unlikely.

 

[jj984jj]

M&L NO!! What happen to the Year of Luigi? ;_;

 

[DarkLordMalik]

M&L NO!! What happen to the Year of Luigi? ;_;

It was only half-year not full-year

 

[MasterSheen]

M&L first week is disappointing, but I expect good legs. 3DS however rose a bit more than I expected it to. Wii U and Pikmin 3 about where I expected to be.

 

[Takao]

Iwata is banking on Yakuza 1+2 HD and Sonic being positive examples of successful third party games selling well on Wii U.

Hopefully these titles will convince Square-Enx to bring FFXV and KH3 to Wii U and also convince Konami to port MGS5 to the Wii U as well. Also, hopefully Capcom will port SF5 and the next Resident Evil to Wii U once Sonic does well.

lol

The bank must be broke.

Sonic games haven't sold well in Japan in ages.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Sonic games haven't sold well in Japan in ages.

I will be surprised if it even manages to break 100k in Japan

 

[Magicpaint]

Iwata is banking on Yakuza 1+2 HD and Sonic being positive examples of successful third party games selling well on Wii U.

Hopefully these titles will convince Square-Enx to bring FFXV and KH3 to Wii U and also convince Konami to port MGS5 to the Wii U as well. Also, hopefully Capcom will port SF5 and the next Resident Evil to Wii U once Sonic does well.

Iwata is crazy then. Both games will struggle to hit 50k LTD in Japan.

 

[schuelma]

Iwata is crazy then. Both games will struggle to hit 50k LTD in Japan.

I assumed he was joking- those titles will struggle to hit 40k combined.

 

[baekshi]

Iwata is banking on Yakuza 1+2 HD and Sonic being positive examples of successful third party games selling well on Wii U.

Hopefully these titles will convince Square-Enx to bring FFXV and KH3 to Wii U and also convince Konami to port MGS5 to the Wii U as well. Also, hopefully Capcom will port SF5 and the next Resident Evil to Wii U once Sonic does well.

It won't even do 30k.

 

[darkside31337]

Not even Iwata is that bananas.

Also calling the Wii U a western console is a bit of a stretch too. Right now its the French console, Ubisoft is like the only one still showing any belief in the system.

 

[DragonSworne]

Not even Iwata is that bananas.

"At the same time, even though some of the developers and publishers are thinking twice about supporting the Wii U, it isn't everybody. The fact of the matter is that some of the third-party groups are strongly supporting it. And in addition to regaining the momentum of the Wii U hardware itself, what we really need to do is to establish successful examples of third-party Wii U titles." - Iwata

Obviously he is alluding to Sega with Sonic and Yakuza 1+2 HD since those are pretty much the only third party japanese games.

 

[schuelma]

Obviously he is alluding to Sega with Sonic and Yakuza 1+2 HD since those are pretty much the only third party japanese games.

He could also be talking about the Ubisoft and WB titles coming this fall/holiday. In fact I would bet on it.

 

[L Thammy]

He could also be talking about the Ubisoft and WB titles coming this fall/holiday. In fact I would bet on it.

Especially considering that he's speaking to The Guardian and is not specifically on the subject of Japan.

 

[Magicpaint]

I assumed he was joking- those titles will struggle to hit 40k combined.

Yeah I assumed so too, but I have a sneaky feeling Iwata actually is banking on at least Yakuza considering how much time it got in a direct.

 

[metalslimer]

What iwata needs to do is establish successful japanese 3rd party games so at least somewhat looks at the system. Even if ubisoft's games miraculousy do well it won't help much in japan. Nintendo should have been the company to back a game like Dead Rising 3. All they need is a couple of ports to do well and get some interest going.

 

[Lexxism]

Wii hit 1 million on its sixth, 3DS on its thirteenth.

How about DS, PSP and Vita? Do you have a data with you?

 

[leatherhat]

What iwata needs to do is establish successful japanese 3rd party games so at least somewhat looks at the system. Even if ubisoft's games miraculousy do well it won't help much in japan. Nintendo should have been the company to back a game like Dead Rising 3. All they need is a couple of ports to do well and get some interest going.

To even get Japanese devs on the WiiU they will need to start slinging some cash around which they seem very dead set against.

 

[MasterSheen]

16./22. [3DS] Kuma-Tomo <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.06.20} (¥4.980) - 6.019 / 28.055

Another sleeper hit? Does this have an anime?

How about DS, PSP and Vita? Do you have a data with you?

4 weeks for DS, 15 for PSP, and 50 for Vita.
From Famitsu though.

 

[Takao]

I will be surprised if it even manages to break 100k in Japan

The PS3 version is likely just above 100k

[PS3] Yakuza 1 & 2 HD Edition (SEGA) - 58.138 / 92.438

as of the end of 2012 via Media Create

 

[metalslimer]

To even get Japanese devs on the WiiU they will need to start slinging some cash around which they seem very dead set against.

They probably struck a deal to get Sonic, Monster Hunter, and DQ on Wiiu. They seem dead set on throwing money at select brands they think can do well.

 

[leatherhat]

They probably struck a deal to get Sonic, Monster Hunter, and DQ on Wiiu. They seem dead set on throwing money at select brands they think can do well.

Money well spent if true

 

[The Horror the horror]

What iwata needs to do is establish successful japanese 3rd party games so at least somewhat looks at the system. Even if ubisoft's games miraculousy do well it won't help much in japan. Nintendo should have been the company to back a game like Dead Rising 3. All they need is a couple of ports to do well and get some interest going.

I don't see the point in throwing money in an established, second-tier franchise. Securing Monster Hunter 4 was a stroke of genius on their part and probably the best move they've made this generation alone. Dead Rising 3 exclusivity would generate short term hype and sales, similar to Resident Evil 4 for GC.

 

[metalslimer]

Money well spent if true

I hope they didn't spend too much on dqhd. MH3U probably helped the launch weeks not be a complete disaster but had no long term effects. Sonic should end up doing well in the states,but will do nothing in japan. Japan is the one area where they could conceiivably do decently, but they have no one helping them

I don't see the point in throwing money in an established, second-tier franchise. Securing Monster Hunter 4 was a stroke of genius on their part and probably the best move they've made this generation alone. Dead Rising 3 exclusivity would generate short term hype and sales, similar to Resident Evil 4 for GC.

The money it would take to get a AAA franchise on wiiu exclusively wouldnt even be worth it. Short term hype and B franchises alone may not help, but enough of them put together and you can have a semi healthy platform

 

[LiberaTeExInferis]

So, do you think that regarding Japan only, this was a lack of initial interest upon WiiU or a result of the low sales?

I really find it difficult to accept that they hadn;t been in close call with third party devs.

Unless Nintendo thought that DQX and MoHun were enough...

 

[metalslimer]

So, do you think that regarding Japan only, this was a lack of initial interest upon WiiU or a result of the low sales?

I really find it difficult to accept that they hadn;t been in close call with third party devs.

Unless Nintendo thought that DQX and MoHun were enough...

Like vita before it there were warning signs long before wiiu launched that 3rd party support would be bad but people thought it was some nda or something. Nintendo probably though nsmb, dq, and mh would launch the system so strong more support would follow. They were probably just as shocked as sony with vita that no one showed up after launch not that the launch was chock full of games to begin with

I believe pie and beans brought it up before but there is a good chance developers in japan just do not have the manpower to spare to port wiiu games and the small profit to be gained isn't worth throwing a team at a port.

 

[Nirolak]

He could also be talking about the Ubisoft and WB titles coming this fall/holiday. In fact I would bet on it.

Honestly I'd assume he is much more talking about those than the Sega titles, because other developers actually make games that are similar to the titles Ubisoft and Warner are releasing, whereas Nintendo is pretty much the only other company that makes games that remotely resemble Sonic.

 

[ZSaberLink]

I'm just wondering though, if Nintendo had 3rd party support, which games would they be getting from Japanese developers? Looking at the charts, I can't really say that many PS3 games are doing amazingly either. Last of Us held up for a while (although it seems to have dropped a lot). What else on PS3 has been doing well? What kinds of titles would the Wii U get instead?

Out of curiosity, since the Layton series is now technically over with this 6th game, could you see a Layton/Layton like game releasing for Wii U?

 

[schuelma]

Like vita before it there were warning signs long before wiiu launched that 3rd party support would be bad but people thought it was some nda or something. Nintendo probably though nsmb, dq, and mh would launch the system so strong more support would follow. They were probably just as shocked as sony with vita that no one showed up after launch not that the launch was chock full of games to begin with
.

I still maintain the launch lineup in Japan was not bad at all- you had Monster Hunter, you had Tekken Tag 2, you had 2 musou games (Orochi and Fist of the North Star 2).

That was much stronger than the Wii's 3rd party launch.

The problem was virtually no follow up after that initial rush.

I believe pie and beans brought it up before but there is a good chance developers in japan just do not have the manpower to spare to port wiiu games and the small profit to be gained isn't worth throwing a team at a port.

Yeah, I suspect this has a lot to do with it.

Ubisoft can spare a team to do a port- most Japanese companies cannot. With how easy Sony has made Vita porting from PS3, that avenue makes a lot more sense.

 

[Spiegel]

I'm just wondering though, if Nintendo had 3rd party support, which games would they be getting from Japanese developers? Looking at the charts, I can't really say that many PS3 games are doing amazingly either. Last of Us held up for a while (although it seems to have dropped a lot). What else on PS3 has been doing well? What kinds of titles would the Wii U get instead?

Out of curiosity, since the Layton series is now technically over with this 6th game, could you see a Layton/Layton like game releasing for Wii U?

Released 2013 titles

DmC
Metal Gear Rising
Dynasty Warriors 8
Macross
Project Diva F
Kingdom Hearts HD
One Piece Pirate Warriors 2
Pro Baseball Spirits 2013
Disgaea D2
Naruto Shippuden: Narutimate Storm 3
Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen
Kamen Rider: Battride War
Gundam Breaker

 

[Mpl90]

Other comparisons (Famitsu)

Digimon's 4th week

[PSP] Digimon World Re: Digitize (Namco Bandai Games) - 9,673 / 129,180 (-40%)
[3DS] Digimon World Reigitize Decode <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.06.27} (¥5.480) - 3.989 / 59.152 (-36%)

Level 5's cross-media franchises: second week

[NDS] Inazuma Eleven (Level 5) - 25.021 / 66.479 (-40%)
[PSP] Little Battler Xperience (Level 5) - 38.496 / 202.330 (-76%)
[3DS] Youkai Watch <RPG> (Level 5) {2013.07.11} (¥4.800) - 28.707 / 81.608 (-46%)

 

[ZSaberLink]

Released 2013 titles

DmC
Metal Gear Rising
Dynasty Warriors 8
Macross
Project Diva F
Kingdom Hearts HD
One Piece Pirate Warriors 2
Pro Baseball Spirits 2013
Disgaea D2
Naruto Shippuden: Narutimate Storm 3
Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen
Kamen Rider: Battride War
Gundam Breaker

Hm interesting... I guess I see some titles I'd be interested in, but I'm not entirely sure how big the audience is for each type of game.

 

[Raist]

Garaph hasn't updated in months, I think.

But MC data seems up to date. Maybe 1 week behind.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

Congrats Wii U, you barely hit one million before the console that cost twice as much as you!

the fumes

 

[Jinfash]

the fumes

 

[Wynnebeck]

Not even Iwata is that bananas.

Also calling the Wii U a western console is a bit of a stretch too. Right now its the French console, Ubisoft is like the only one still showing any belief in the system.

I wouldn't be too sure....

 

[Hero of Legend]

Not even Iwata is that bananas.

So he held himself at one point? That's surreal.

Edit: GOD FUCKING DAMMIT LOL

 

[Hero of Legend]

Other comparisons (Famitsu)

Digimon's 4th week

[PSP] Digimon World Re: Digitize (Namco Bandai Games) - 9,673 / 129,180 (-40%)
[3DS] Digimon World Reigitize Decode <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.06.27} (¥5.480) - 3.989 / 59.152 (-36%)

I still wager that Digimon is doing alright for a port. Hopefully it'll keep it's legs for a while.

Now hopefully we'll see Prope bring over Digimon Adventure (Bandai did trademark Digimon Anniversary in NA related to games IIRC), and then make an original game, hell Decode was once going to be a proper sequel, but they decided to make it a port with a lot of new content and changes/fixes they wanted to do from the get go on PSP but didn't have the time.

 

[pieatorium]

Considering god eater 2 is also on PSP, I kinda doubt that. We'll see though. The best selling game so far on Vita is what, Persona 4 with 200K? 250? At best, I don't see God Eater 2 doing much better than that on PSV. Pikmin 3 might even show some legs and end up around those numbers.

Last we saw of persona it was at 229k. Toukiden on vita, which also has a psp version, will be more that that before it drops out of the charts. GE should easily outperform a new IP. The same audience buying Toukiden is the audience GE will sell into.

I don't doubt pikmin will sell 200k-250k even without "legs"