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FRIDAYTON MK II: 5.5 million bears and salmon create unholy allliance to sack SONY HQ
- Thread starter Canis lupus
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ParenegadeM
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Stone Ocean
Member
That's the upside to it if true.
I wouldn't mind the OS working as sleekly as in that demo video.
metalslimer
Member
No it would mean the os size ballooned
Vestal
Gold Member
The OS itself wont take up 3.5GB.. For example, WINDOWS a full fledge PC OS doesn't take up a GB of memory.
The extra reserved space I assume is for applications that run in the system. Future proofing in regards to using applications along side games.
Well, they got the attention they wanted in the first place...
I still take it with a grain salt due to the shitty tracking record of Eurogamer lately.
Sony did say sharing is the next big thing. After all, the DS4 has a big fat SHARE button on it.
We'll see what the official statement is.
Barkley's Justice
Member
I'm sure over time and through OS optimization more RAM will become available.
KefkaPalazzo
Member
Talking up his arse, just like the developers hyping up the infinite power of the cloud.
R3TRODYCE
Member
But think of the children.
You don't understand, those features were targeted at a 4GB retail unit. Think for a second, it's really a lot simpler than you think.
How much RAM do you realistically think was allocated to the Games originally, and how much to the OS? And then now look at the difference in the upgraded RAM model.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
It's as if people have learned nothing from yesterday. Why are so many buying into this article completely, and taking sides already? lol
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Look at Vita and what it does. It's not necessarily visually pleasant (that's a preference) but the functionality is tight from going game to OS and all the available non gaming functions.
PS4 should benefit but I still don't know about the number. I don't know how this could be interpreted as bad. It's rumored up to 5.5GB. That's a ton of available memory.
And those asking about the possibility of allocating more for games at a later time, yes it is possible.
I highly doubt it's SOLELY for OS. They most likely set off a certain amount of RAM for multimedia purposes and labeled it all under OS so the system doesn't have to dynamically allocate and use up RAM. They'd rather have a dedicated part of the system's memory so designers have a set cap to work with making development less annoying.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Doesn't seem to be a whole lot of basis to this story if it is from a random Guerrilla slide
BruiserBear
Banned
Launch games should have complete code in about 6 weeks. Then final testing and certification begins, with most games going gold in 8-10 weeks.
This is assuming the PS4 is actually launching at the very end of October, or early November.
I'd love to know how the OS magically ballooned in a few months. Developers were working on the assumption of 4GB of ram... I'm guessing anywhere for 3.5 to 3 were in use by the game since the OS had to take some up. Now, all of a sudden, Sony adds 4 GB of additional RAM at the request of a developer, and the OS blows up to nearly use up those 4 GB to itself? Why is no other source reporting this?
Hulkamania78
Banned
I'm sure somewhere it's a MS Xbone stitch up . That playing field is looking the same as this gen ohhh the outrage !!!!
Get both I am it's saves the BS
Casanova
Member
It will be extremely fast. I'm still trying to figure out how they would utilize that memory capacity and the speeds that GDDR5 RAM offers.
I cannot possibly see 3.5GBs being used by apps that run side by side with a game.
Astral/H3X
Member
And here everyone was calling me daft for expecting around the 4gb usable ballpark. Who is eating crow now!?
LukasTaves
Member
That's perfectly reasonable, actually.
They are giving room to their OS development team to match whatever Ms comes up with xbox one so they don't get caught out of memory to implement those features too like happened this gen.
Also, later down the road, if the OS requirements are reduced new games could benefit from it, but if OS requirements increased you can't recompile previously released games to cope with that.
Why is this surprising? Fast switching with multiple apps open while surfing the internet seems like it would be memory intensive. My phone probably averages 1.5Gigs on a normal basis, when I go to clear it. 5 gigs should be plenty, not a tech guy but I would think GPU and CPU performance will be a bottleneck way before RAM.
darkblade77
Member
This seems pretty backwards... there are a dozen reasons why Sony might do it, and I can't say I like any of them.
I hope it isn't true.
I hope it isn't true.
Neuromancer
Member
Shit
Ouch. That's a lot but I guess if everything can work seamlessly without load times when switching between stuff then it's a good thing. I can't say I'm not a bit disappointed by this news. So you need to split that amount again between CPU and GPU. Though we got Last of Us on 512mb on PS3 so what they hey? It should be fine.
It went from 120 MB to 50 MB (required) in early 2010.
Edit - is NOBODY reading the actual article? The OS wasn't 3.5 GB prior to the bump. Stop with the 512 MB for gaming bullshit.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
One of my main problems with this is that Vita, complete with suspend states for games, party chat, all that, uses what... something around 100mb of Vita's half a gig memory for its OS? Maybe more?
To go from that to 3.5gb off the back of streaming and recording is just a little too much of a leap.
To go from that to 3.5gb off the back of streaming and recording is just a little too much of a leap.
D
Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
"Sure we could reduce the footprint...OR add new features. What do our stockholders want?"
more features. every damn time.
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
I want Cerny to make some sense out of this devilry.
2.5 to 3.5 gbs for os and "apps" is a terrible waste and kills the system's futureproofness.
2.5 to 3.5 gbs for os and "apps" is a terrible waste and kills the system's futureproofness.
Lambda Pie
Banned
something doesn't add up.
unless there some secret tech in the OS hidden from everyone, 3.5 for the OS is completely overkill.
unless there some secret tech in the OS hidden from everyone, 3.5 for the OS is completely overkill.
The story that you obviously didn't bother reading.
Hydrargyrus
Member
WTF????
Sony always have to do shit like this.
3'5GB of GDDR5 only for the OS is fucking crazy.
Sony never learns and always have to mess it up...
Gamers doesn't want 3'5GB for a OS with shitty social features. Gamers wants 7'5GB FOR GAMES
Sony always have to do shit like this.
3'5GB of GDDR5 only for the OS is fucking crazy.
Sony never learns and always have to mess it up...
Gamers doesn't want 3'5GB for a OS with shitty social features. Gamers wants 7'5GB FOR GAMES
Canis lupus
Member
because it is not. (yet)
Vestal
Gold Member
Originally I would assume Sony was limiting the OS to a max of 1GB for OS and Apps, and 3 for games. Obviously a lot of trickery with the HDD would have to be involved if they wanted to compete in the Apps space against MS.
This is all moot though. They have 8GB not 4.
CassiusLonginus
Banned
It does seem like Sony is making a change to try and see what they can do later, and not so much because they have immediate use for it right now.
Only disappointing thing is that First-party exclusives won't have the significantly larger RAM pool to play with (because let's face it, all multiplats were going to go for the smaller RAM pool anyway).
In the end this is bad news only if they do nothing worthwhile with that reserved RAM setup...
Only disappointing thing is that First-party exclusives won't have the significantly larger RAM pool to play with (because let's face it, all multiplats were going to go for the smaller RAM pool anyway).
In the end this is bad news only if they do nothing worthwhile with that reserved RAM setup...
SolidSnakex
Member
I don't really care if the OS has less features or takes a few extra seconds to load. There's nothing they're going to add to it that makes it worth taking up that much space. You don't go around screaming "games, games, games" and then allocate nearly half of your RAM to your OS.