Lord Error
Insane For Sony
PS4 OS entirely written in HTML/JavaScript, made by the same team that created the new PSN store.
Jeff Rigby redeemed yet again.
Jeff Rigby redeemed yet again.
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FRIDAYTON MK II: 5.5 million bears and salmon create unholy allliance to sack SONY HQ
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It quite literally doesn't.
Now, is it possible that the current PS4 development suite isn't designed to handle this much memory and Sony is effectively playing "catch up" trying to upgrade the suite but knows they won't be ready for launch? Sure, that'd make some sense. But that isn't 3.5GB reserved strictly for the OS, that's X for the OS, X for the development suite readily available, and another pool of completely untapped memory you can only get to likely via assembly to directly manage it yourself. That would almost make sense with Eurogamer's nonsense about a "non-trivial" extra 1GB, but it still doesn't explain how The Witness is using 5GB already since I really doubt Jon Blow and company are writing assembly code while talking about ease of use here.
Not at all if this is true I would say this is an under reaction. The PS4 would have less usable memory for games for fuck sakes than the Xbone. All for crappy OS features non of us give a fuck about. That is as much as god damn windows 7 32 bit can handle. I hope this is false because if true is a major fuck up by Sony.
SwiftDeath
Member
Disappointing if true to say the least
Would much prefer higher RAM allotment for games in both systems as I don't value a lot of the OS features of either systems
Still not the end of the world though but definitely detracts from my original (incorrect) assessment of the PS4
Would love to see Sony's response if it ever comes out
Would much prefer higher RAM allotment for games in both systems as I don't value a lot of the OS features of either systems
Still not the end of the world though but definitely detracts from my original (incorrect) assessment of the PS4
Would love to see Sony's response if it ever comes out
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
its easy to reserve any number that you want. it doesnt mean that the OS is using 3.5GB at all times at the beginning. They add features etc over time and instead of being pigeonholded in only a "1GB" reserved RAM space, they have 3.5GB, which they can reduce over time as they improve the OS and figure out they dont need as much.
that's what they did with PS3, i thought.
but, yeah, the simple act of "reserving" is as easy as typing a new number.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Well, If i'm developers, I'm sure I won't be happy with DF because it can affect the sales. Someone who upsetted by them, must be playing with them by gave the false informations.
Duxxy3
Member
I'm not seeing that.
Ha, Ha.
Mihos
Gold Member
Someone put out this guys torch....
RoadHazard
Gold Member
The PS4's RAM is still significantly faster and more suited for games though. So the PS4's advantage hasn't disappeared here, it has just gotten smaller. (Of course, the major GPU advantage is still there as well.)
battlefieldfan1
Banned
Neither console is strong enough to utilize more than 5 GB of RAM (Especially NOT the xbox ONE).
The 32 mb of eSRAM is SMALL and not enough to make up for the poor bandwidth of 5 GB of its main RAM.
BlazingDarkness
Member
shitposter alert.
So would you agree that people who assumed, with confidence, that the PS4 only used about a gigabyte of RAM for OS and had the remainder for games is discredited? I find that very interesting.
If this Is true I'm buying 50 ps4's for gaffers.
Lol
.........
Puts name on list just in case.
Auto_aim1
MeisaMcCaffrey
4K isn't a big priority for them since it's only for movies and photos, and I really doubt it has to do something with this. Even if they enable that functionality, it probably won't be reliant on massive amount of RAM.
velociraptor
Junior Member
0.5GB out of 4GB = 12.5% usage
3.5GB out of 8GB = 43.75% usage
Madness.
I know the 1GB limit was somewhat optimistic, but I would have assumed even 2GB would be enough for all Sony's OS needs.
How can you reserve so much RAM? We need Jeff_Rigby or another tech wizard in this thread, stat.
LOL, why should we apologize? on the contrary I will now ridicule SONY for doing the same
KingSunIsFree
Banned
Wow the blowup from this thread is going to be glorious if this information turns out to be false
FunkyPajamas
Member
Man, the opening paragraph was gold, but you gave it away with the last sentence. You need to work on being more subtle when doing joke posts.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
MMaRsu
Banned
You obviously know jack shit too... oh man I gotta get outta this thread before my head explodes
infinityBCRT
Member
My guess is they looked at some of the fast app switching that MS does, and realized they needed that feature in a post iPad world. If they didn't, the PS4 would have seemed painfully slow in comparison.
MS did a shitty job showing why that functionality is awesome by only showing it with Live TV. But the real awesome thing is being able to switch between stuff like HBO, Netflix, Hulu, Youtube like you're changing channels.
edit: of course it still seems a little up in the air whether this news is true?
DeadlyVirus
Member
5.5GB, acording to this article. Also, the speed is the big diference, not the amount
CambriaRising
Member
DF has never been objective though. Look at any multi platform comparison that includes pc, they show the console versions in their best light, but tone down the pc version to the "comparative" setting to lessen the blow.
dragonfart28
Banned
Just because DF gaffes, doesn't mean much.
Besides, europeans are typically slanted in Sony's favour so I doubt this would be made up.
What's really funny is that Sony knew during E3, that the extra RAM they were adding was lost to additional OS functions, while everyone else was just cheering them on completely unawares.
Besides, europeans are typically slanted in Sony's favour so I doubt this would be made up.
What's really funny is that Sony knew during E3, that the extra RAM they were adding was lost to additional OS functions, while everyone else was just cheering them on completely unawares.
If they were similar, I could agree with it. Though it seems that MS wants to use Windows functionality in their console and load in Win8 apps from their store.
I'm not saying that Sony won't have apps, but I'm sure most of them will be simlar to what they have now and won't need to take up system resources in the background. The only things that should/will would be any streaming service like uStream and then the DVR function for playback. Everything else should be available in some state where it takes up next to no resources and is available instantly, similar to what Sony has already done with the Vita.
Lots of unanswers here so far in what Sony ultimately plans on doing with their system, but I don't think they are going the full shebang with running games, movies, and skype calls all at the same time all on the same screen. That's becoming a very Windows thing with their Metro interface.
metareferential
Member
How can anyone be stupid enough to think that if this is true it means that before the upgrade devs could only access 512mb for games?
What kind of logic is that?
If it's true, it means that the OS' footprint grew overtime.
What kind of logic is that?
If it's true, it means that the OS' footprint grew overtime.
You are the second guy in this thread who's posting this crap.
Stuff like that should be bannable.
Just read the damn thread!
SlowRevolution
Member
going to wait for confirmation or a source that's not Eurogamer, pretty disappointing if true.
:lol amazing
:lol amazing
Always-honest
Banned
okay, some people need to be adressing specific people. Not Gaf as a whole.
It doesn't add up. I run window's 7 with 4GB total of ram and can play nearly every game with an old GTX 460. 3.5 for an OS is absurd.
jacksepticeye
Member
Another edited version:
HAH!
SEGAvangelist
Member
LukasTaves
Member
Lol, no.
You can't add more memory to launched systems (not without expansion cards anyway), but you can reduce the OS footprint over time and get progressively better looking titles.
Yes, he is right.
New post : http://bbs.a9vg.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3546518&page=6&authorid=483741
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Well, yeah, ps4 has tons left so why should anyone care?
xbone is using 3 gigs for three os's though. that's stupid, but the ram allocation makes sense and seems fairly reasonable. for ps4, it either means an os with a ridiculous amount of bloat, or loads of memory leaks....or the article is just flat out wrong. seems way too much to reserve.
CadetMahoney
Member
Far superior console should come out with far superior games/performance on multiplats especially. I want to see wins in every digital foundry comparison.
Best wait it out either way. I don't want to hear no more "on par", "not much difference between the two" "wait until devs get to grips with it" talk, that's blasphemy based on what we've been hearing about the PS4 so far
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I just want to laugh at those who laughed at MSFT. Just like the one's who laugh here. No sense in having a double standard as I don't think the 3GB Xbone OS is bad like I don't think this rumor is bad.
Some did believe that the the system use would be 7GB. It was never confirmed though. Just like this.
Alx
Member
Well, it may be another lesson they learnt from the current gen. They started the PS3 with a specific amount of memory reserved for the OS, and later on they found it difficult to make it evolve and add new features.
So many gigs of RAM seem huge indeed, but since MS is using the same amount of memory, maybe they don't want to be left behind again and prepare at least for feature equality, in case so much RAM proves to be useful.
It's easier to reserve it now and eventually reduce that requirement later, than let developers use 7G and be stuck with a 1G OS forever.
That's true. 7-8 months ago, people were predicting consoles with 2G of RAM, and considered anything more unrealistic. Now we're acting like it's impossible to decently run a game with 5G.