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[TheLegendary]

I figured that they'd increase the OS footprint, but wow. To actually provide LESS than the Xbox One?

I can't believe I missed this thread when the news broke...40 glorious pages of meltdown to read through now...

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Based on what we know (if this rumor is true), the difference between the One and PS4 is less than the difference between PS2 and Xbox or GameCube.

well, at least now we know who doesn't have a clue what they're talking about.

 

[Paracelsus]

What about 5 years from now?

Make that two.

 

[Antiwhippy]

2.5GB is still a huge size for an OS

I'm saying that quite a bit of the 2.5gb might be used to constantly record those 15 minutes of footage.

HD video isn't exactly small, even when it's compressed.

 

[Spongebob]

Its sad how we've come to the point where a gaming machine only has 56% (+ some "flexible memory") of its memory dedicated to gaming...

 

[Valnen]

Yeah,absolutly. Real numbers and all.
Quite somme panic in there.Thread is too fast for a fake non news.

It's been over 20 minutes and you have yet to elaborate. Beginning to think you're full of it.

 

[nhlducks35]

Why is every OS taking up so much RAM now? The PS3 and 360 OSes barely use any RAM and they work well enough.

Fuck no.

 

[Beowulf28]

The dream is dead guys, the dream is dead.

Spoiler

lol

 

[Deleted member 17706]

*tossing a log on the fire*

So, if you have a 6GB Titan you will be good for the entire generation?

Yes, of course. If it plays out anything like this generation, though, you may have to upgrade around 2018 to continue maxing things out and running at 60fps.

 

[Dennis]

Hitman sloth takes no joy in his work.

 

[rdrr gnr]

What about 5 years from now?

How about like 2?

 

[kurbaan]

DEAL BREAKER.

Only half of the systems RAM will used for games. No wonder Killzone 4 & Drive Club are 30fps. Pathetic really.

Might as well cancel my PS4 pre-order & get an Xbox One, which at least it has Forza 5.

RAM != FPS

 

[Audible Phonetics]

We have to wait to see exactly what that memory is going to be used for in the OS to warrant so much of it being allocated.

 

[RSTEIN]

Does any PC gamer know if there has been any game out to date to utilize 4gb of vram? I'm just curious.

EDIT: This obviously forbids the PS4 from ever having a good game, right? C'mon, people.

On insane resolutions or multiscreen set ups games like Crysis 3 or Metro LL approach 3 gb. Other than that, not even close.

 

[darkwing]

I'm saying that quite a bit of the 2.5gb might be used to constantly record those 15 minutes of footage.

HD video isn't exactly small, even when it's compressed.

yes, my DVR has 2.5GB of DDR5

 

[Kabouter]

I guess I don't really get what on earth they'd be doing that justifies claiming so much of the system's resources.

 

[Skull Leader]

For console based ports, sure why not.

Well, when Windows starts letting games take full advantage of all the memory people can buy for their systems, maybe this will be the case.

PC gamers who bitch about consoles 'holding back' PC gaming tend to forget that.

 

[shinobi602]

Might be getting some hard numbers from dev (and not the "small" dev kind).

Will make sure to post here if I do.

 

[SparkTR]

The fuck you talking about? Windows 7 uses up about 1 GB of RAM. It's the other programs you have running that take up the extra space. Which you should be shutting down if you're planning on playing a game.

A game could conceivably use about 7 GB of the 8 GB of RAM you have, if you shut down all nonessential services.

Also when you have a gaming PC with 8-16gb of DDR3, plus 4-6gb of VRAM then even those high performance background tasks become negligible anyway.

 

[Zombie James]

I think you're forgetting that the PS4 is 1.84TFlops vs the Xbox One's 1.2Tflops. This doesn't change the fact that the PS4 is still 50% more powerful. And the ram also has 3x more bandiwdth to boot. Oh and there's still 500mb more availble to devs if this rumour is true.

 

[SPACECADET]

Why are people using commas now instead of periods?

pre-order cancelled.

 

[IHaveCandy]

Vita Remote Play

No.

 

[Orayn]

So here is a theory that I have heard. Note, this is not insider information. A friend who is a developer, not on consoles or PlayStation mind, thinks that the new devkits probably ship with 8GB GDDR5 but the developer tools probably take up 2-3GB on there, leaving addressable RAM at just 5GB. He said the problem is that the APU bus is 256bit which won't allow for more than 8GB RAM until 8Gbit chips are available.

He thinks that the current SDK probably does have 3.5GB reserved for for the OS functions and development tools, but when the next set of kits ship they will have 12GB of RAM and the full 7GB will be addressable.

Requoting for a new page since this sounds pretty reasonable to me. If 8GB was just announced in February and a lot of the current tech demos and development builds are still running on kits with 4GB of GDDR5, it's not a stretch to think that there might be 8GB devkits out there with ~4.5-5.5 GB of available RAM.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Why is every OS taking up so much RAM now? The PS3 and 360 OSes barely use any RAM and they work well enough.

Who knows? With that much fast RAM available, though, I could imagine things being ultra snappy. Constantly have the most commonly used applications loaded in the memory so you can boot them up instantaneously. It should make for a vastly superior user experience than on the 360 or PS3.

 

[DrM]

Might be getting some hard numbers from dev...'in the know'.

Will post here if I do.

Do it, or this thread will go deeper into abyss of insanity

 

[Globox_82]

wtf is this

 

[TheLegendary]

Sony is not going to respond to this news, btw.

 

[Andrefpvs]

Why are people using commas now instead of periods? Like what sort of messed up school does that now or is this some meme I have never heard of?

^Not sure if American.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark

 

[FunkyPajamas]

I guess I don't really get what on earth they'd be doing that justifies claiming so much of the system's resources.

PS4 to come with a built-in GAF app so that we can post about games instead of playing them.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

one of my buddies who used to work in the video games industry explained to me that the PS3 has about 85 out of 512 megs of ram allocated for os which makes it like 17% of RAM compared to PS4 which now shows 3.5gig/8gig that makes it almost 44%. This sounds absurd for now, how can the PS4's OS memory usage be bloated beyond Windows?? The only man who can give us a smart explanation is lord Cerny!

 

[phosphor112]

Brad Shoemaker from Giant Bomb corroborates this Eurogamer article.

What is strange is how he got the technical difference between the two consoles wrong in May, if he knew about all this 3 months before the podcast was recorded.
(He was criticized a lot in the official giant bomb podcast thread for the downplaying of the well known specification advantages of the PS4.)

Ermm... Edge reported the 8GB of RAM, NOT DigitalFoundry. Are they stupid?

http://www.edge-online.com/news/playstation-4-revealed/2/

 

[Dennis]

I guess I don't really get what on earth they'd be doing that justifies claiming so much of the system's resources.

I have three letters for you:

NSA

 

[SirIgbyCeaser]

I guess I don't really get what on earth they'd be doing that justifies claiming so much of the system's resources.

Dev tools.

I feel like this should be posted in every page now. Because it's really logical.

So here is a theory that I have heard. Note, this is not insider information. A friend who is a developer, not on consoles or PlayStation mind, thinks that the new devkits probably ship with 8GB GDDR5 but the developer tools probably take up 2-3GB on there, leaving addressable RAM at just 5GB. He said the problem is that the APU bus is 256bit which won't allow for more than 8GB RAM until 8Gbit chips are available.

He thinks that the current SDK probably does have 3.5GB reserved for for the OS functions and development tools, but when the next set of kits ship they will have 12GB of RAM and the full 7GB will be addressable.

I might be grasping at straws for a second, but I think the bolded part is just to protect someone.

 

[LightofRohan]

Relax people! Sweet crap.

1. NONE OF you understand how ram works in the context of PC's, let alone games, let alone consoles, let alone console games.

2. WE DON'T know the exact usage/specs of any of these consoles 100% yet. It's all assumptions and word of mouth or random corporate guys stating things.

3. There is still time between console release. Even if we knew everything, they still could change things -- on both sides.

Holy shit, lmao.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Out of curiosity, is anyone genuinely mad about this? And if so, are you mad because you feel mislead or because you honestly think that it will have a serious impact on the performance of the console?

I have three letters for you:

NSA

Or because of this?

 

[Crimson_Gold]

Do it, or this thread will go deeper into abyss of insanity

The hard numbers may send the thread even further into insanity.

 

[George Claw M.D.]

As God as my witness, I will never love again.

Lol

 

[link1201]

Do I still have to buy both consoles now?

 

[Orca]

4.5GB plus an additional 1GB flexible buffer. So 5.5GB as the OP and thread title suggests. One developer has already confirmed his game is using over 5GB, so it can't be 4.5GB lol.

Talking about Blow? If we're being nitpicky about language here, and I believe we are, then he only said it 'wants' to use over 5 GB, not that it could.

Nah, best guess is a repeat of how the PS3 OS worked. Features can be ignored for more memory. So, for example, you have 5GB if you don't use party chat, but 4.5GB if you do.

I really hope they don't do that again. Consistent OS-level feature sets across ALL games is a big deal. Reduce the OS footprint with optimization, not reduction.

 

[maplelord93]

Fuck you Sony if true.

I want to buy a gaming machine not a fucking DVR.

 

[ironchair]

I know we are joking about NSA spyware but it is just about the only explanation left for how the OS could possibly require 3.5 GB of GDDR5.

Sony was never mentioned in any of The Guardian's exposes, unlike Microsoft, which was revealed to be the first partner for the PRISM program.

 

[pompidu]

Requoting for a new page since this sounds pretty reasonable to me. If 8GB was just announced in February and a lot of the current tech demos and development builds are still running on kits with 4GB of GDDR5, it's not a stretch to think that there might be interim 8GB devkits out there with ~4.5-5.5 GB of available RAM.

this sounds more plausible and probably what is happening.

 

[DrM]

The hard numbers may send the thread even further into insanity.

We will see, when (if) he will post them

Also, if KZ:SF uses 4.7 GB, so they are already in the flexi zone?

 

[RukusProvider]

I guess I don't really get what on earth they'd be doing that justifies claiming so much of the system's resources.

They don't' want to be caught out by being resource starved incase MS/Google/Apple come out with something they can't reproduce.

See how well Cross game chat worked out for them last gen?

While they have been doing lip service to the hardcore, all along their plans are the same as MS. Go after the casuals and build a software and services platform that can also play games.

Hardcore gamers just get to be tunnel visioned and easily steered, similar to any fanatical sect.

 

[Kinyou]

We have to wait to see exactly what that memory is going to be used for in the OS to warrant so much of it being allocated.

Simulating all those little creatures inside the controller

 

[Kopite]

Ermm... Edge reported the 8GB of RAM, NOT DigitalFoundry. Are they stupid?

http://www.edge-online.com/news/playstation-4-revealed/2/

Before 'almost' everyone.

 

[lemonade]

lets all be patient right now. remember before the vita released there were rumors that the vita's ram had been cut to 256mb. that all turned out wrong. lets wait and see what the hell is happening first.

 

[mangochutney]

So here is a theory that I have heard. Note, this is not insider information. A friend who is a developer, not on consoles or PlayStation mind, thinks that the new devkits probably ship with 8GB GDDR5 but the developer tools probably take up 2-3GB on there, leaving addressable RAM at just 5GB. He said the problem is that the APU bus is 256bit which won't allow for more than 8GB RAM until 8Gbit chips are available.

He thinks that the current SDK probably does have 3.5GB reserved for for the OS functions and development tools, but when the next set of kits ship they will have 12GB of RAM and the full 7GB will be addressable.

I hope this is true, because I mean it is overkill, really.

I mean the Xbox One has 3 OSes and it's reserving less, and in addition has a lot more to do - TV, snapped apps etc, all that junk.

 

[Antiwhippy]

yes, my DVR has 2.5GB of DDR5

Your DVR probably immediately encodes the video it gets to the hard drive. From what I've read the way the PS4's and XB1's video recording works is that they're constantly streaming the last 15 minutes of gameplay, but not exactly recording them immediately to the hard drive, because you have new information (aka the video) streaming in constantly.

I could be incredibly wrong on this, but that's what I'm theorising now anyway.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Out of curiosity, is anyone genuinely mad about this? And if so, are you mad because you feel mislead or because you honestly think that it will have a serious impact on the performance of the console?

I'd say there are quite a few who are pissed at this, but the vast majority just seems to be baffled at the decision of doubling down on the ram to make game development easier and then use almost all of it on the OS. Seems kind of a weird decision.