gundamkyoukai
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Sony wants to copy them then they will try to out RAM them .
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F'DUPTON 3: Back in the Tub with 5.0/5.5/6/7/several Inches of RAM-Flavoured Water
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Sony wants to copy them then they will try to out RAM them .
Humm? I'm pretty sure I've seen some quotes here on GAF from insiders or devs that video recording would not demand system resources since it has dedicated hardware for that...
AyaisMUsikWhore
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John Bellomy ‏@cowbs
Reading the comments on these OS mem articles (first mistake) ... There are not enough palms to face.
timtheterrible ‏@timtheterrible1
@cowbs Interesting...but your comment implies that the comments are silly, and not the article itself.
John Bellomy ‏@cowbs
@timtheterrible1 mostly reacting to people extrapolating the implications to ridiculous degrees.
he's not denying it.
Stop assuming. He didn't confirm or deny. *opinions* people.. Smh
Gemüsepizza
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Maybe because your post is wrong? It's 5GB for X1 and 5GB (or 5.5GB) for PS4.
Skull Leader
Banned
Your first mistake was giving a shit about what Joe Blow has to say. Respect the software he makes, sure, but he's one developer among many.
Disappointing for me. Not that games will
be ugly or anything, I just thought Sony had done everything perfectly this time. 7 GBs of gddr5 for games. Guess it was too good to be true. Such a waste.
What the hell this OS will do with all this memory and bandwidth? 3.5 GBs with 20 GBs/ sec bandwidth? Will it record 4K raw quality while computing folding home tasks or what. I hope someone with sufficient knowledge will explain this, because to me this seems only a big failing waste of valuable resources.
be ugly or anything, I just thought Sony had done everything perfectly this time. 7 GBs of gddr5 for games. Guess it was too good to be true. Such a waste.
What the hell this OS will do with all this memory and bandwidth? 3.5 GBs with 20 GBs/ sec bandwidth? Will it record 4K raw quality while computing folding home tasks or what. I hope someone with sufficient knowledge will explain this, because to me this seems only a big failing waste of valuable resources.
Claude Kenni
Member
It's a lot more complicated than just that. Over three months ago there was a rumor that the PS4 had 7GB of RAM reserved for games. With no confirmation that was accepted as fact for that entire time.
This led to the general public here building up the narrative that the Xbox One's OS was unoptimized, bloated, not as "meant for gaming", etc. and worse off for using 3GB when it was considered fact the PS4 OS used 1GB. Despite us now knowing that couldn't be more wrong, and the PS4 OS does use about that same amount without many of us really knowing why (when we did know why the Xbox One OS did).
You can imagine how some people are bothered that a large amount of fanboys for over three months chose to form several conclusions based on a rumor that was nothing more than that, conclusions which were so prevalent much of the entire gaming community accepted them. Along with that Sony, who had cleared up several issues during that time was dead silent while the entirety of GAF and even other sites it spread to began to believe the PS4 OS reserved 7GB of RAM for games.
Also with the way the information and our understanding has evolved the small group of people here doubting this news and DF in general look a bit funny because the previous belief of 7GB being available was based on much less and with the current information seems to have no way to be true. For the people completely doubting this report I'd like to know what you do believe.
Insane Metal
Member
And that's some overraction too, isn't it? All I'm saying is that 3GB for non-gaming functions sounds like too much in a gaming machine. Oh, I can't have opinions?
Wishmaster92
Member
Can you explain more on this?
Why do people think that Digital Foundry are microsoft fanboys?, is it because they say that most multiplatform games this gen were better on 360?, well i'll let you into a little secret, they were!.
Its hardly proof of them being Xbox fanboys when they are stating facts really.
Its hardly proof of them being Xbox fanboys when they are stating facts really.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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You have got to be kidding me. Are you guys like dense or something? So this whole thing happened for Sony to copy.. Because it's not like they don't have other things they want to do.. Microsoft is going to be all gung-ho 'gamers' when they signed a million dollar deal with nfl to do non-gaming things.. I can't deal...
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
shakin_haitian
Banned
Does this mean we're all gonna die?
With this little RAM we will be lucky if the PS4 can even fold your laundry.
MMaRsu
Banned
I don't know and I don't understand it either. Sure you are going to need plenty of flexible ram for the OS, but 3.5gb seems overkill to me.
cyberheater
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Gemüsepizza;73170021 said:
Mine was a question. Learn to read.
Brilliant, just brilliant
I've never seen this as a GIF before.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Awww, now that's just mean, man.
I have said this many times over, but people fail to even appreciate this small iota-
1. Developers are very happy with the speed and quantity of RAM available. 5 GB DDR3 =/= 5 GB GDDR5!
2. The OS will eventually shrink.
3. MOAR RAM =/= better looking games.
4. Not a single person famourmortimer, Verrendus, BruceLeeRoy (I hope he doesn't mind me mentioning him), or I have contacted has mentioned anything remotely indicating disappointment.
5. This was the plan all along, and there is a visible and transparent safety reserve of RAM available so Sony doesn't get caught in a state of perpetual loss.
6. You can choose to believe this last part or not, but developer's will get access to more RAM as the years go by into the machine's life cycle.
I wuv u.
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
I don't wanna sound like a broken record but are we really talking about the whole next gen ? More ram might as well be made available when Sony sees what works and what not in terms of os apps.
Vestal
Gold Member
I'll say it. He was full of shit. Dumping all your assets to memory doesn't justify its use.
like I've said earlier there is a wall you hit in regards to how much memory you actually need which is directly linked to how much the gpu+CPU can process at one time. I've seen people throw down the numbers for speed and how much 1080p would take at what fps but they don't take into account other calculations that need to occur at the same time of that render.
shit tell me more about ps4's os please
CouldBeWorse
Member
It was because developers were pushing the limit and trying to fill the screen with amazing images. And most good games don't have these issues.
And I can do those last two things you mentioned on current systems (and Vita).
This.
RedAssedApe
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Wasn't he also saying that more ram = less time wasted spent optimizing? Sorry Blow. No being lazy for you
I H8 Memes
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Welp I've gone from being slightly interested in possibly getting back into console gaming after more than a decade to not being interested at all. Neither console is a sound investment.
People saying 5gb's is enough are doing some serious damage control. No 512mb (actually far less than that due to OS overhead) in current consoles is not enough. That's why you see so many people with jaws dropped when they switch to PC gaming late in a consoles life.
There are already PC videocards with as much vram as both of these consoles. Unlike last generation where the consoles started out with a slight edge, this gen they are both outdated before they hit the shelves. Outdated hardware plus higher game costs and lack of flexibility and options that a gaming PC provide for only a small amount more money makes the consoles a stupid investment.
And still yet neither one will support the future of gaming, the Oculus Rift. And while before there may have been some slight chance that they may have eventually been able to support the Rift, the lower amount of available ram pretty much kills that idea completely.
People saying 5gb's is enough are doing some serious damage control. No 512mb (actually far less than that due to OS overhead) in current consoles is not enough. That's why you see so many people with jaws dropped when they switch to PC gaming late in a consoles life.
There are already PC videocards with as much vram as both of these consoles. Unlike last generation where the consoles started out with a slight edge, this gen they are both outdated before they hit the shelves. Outdated hardware plus higher game costs and lack of flexibility and options that a gaming PC provide for only a small amount more money makes the consoles a stupid investment.
And still yet neither one will support the future of gaming, the Oculus Rift. And while before there may have been some slight chance that they may have eventually been able to support the Rift, the lower amount of available ram pretty much kills that idea completely.
Vicetrailia
Member
People are mad at the "on paper" assessment, but this is something we'll easily get over. The games will shine just as much, regardless.
Fixed.
Wait, where were you in all those disgusting Xbox One threads these last couple of months that were way worse than this thread? We need more people like you to come into all perceived negative tech threads not just Sony ones and let people know how ignorant they are.
Megadragon15
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Gemüsepizza;73170021 said:
Wouldn't it be 5GB+32MB for XBone?
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
This again.. still no statement from Sony I guess. Whatever, ya know I'm not going to listen anymore.
You guys do realize the primary reason Digital Foundry still exists is because of their 'head to head' analysis or whatever they called it. If one system completely blows the other out of the water then they lose relevancy. I'm thinking that they are putting out click bait just for the sake of it. Have fun guys and gals but I'm out now.
Gonna sit back and wait for my PS4 preorder.. while other flip out and cancel theirs.
You guys do realize the primary reason Digital Foundry still exists is because of their 'head to head' analysis or whatever they called it. If one system completely blows the other out of the water then they lose relevancy. I'm thinking that they are putting out click bait just for the sake of it. Have fun guys and gals but I'm out now.
Gonna sit back and wait for my PS4 preorder.. while other flip out and cancel theirs.
SneakyStephan
Banned
The reserved ram isn't just for the OS it is for multitasking....
ps4 os may only use 200MB but that doesn't mean you only need to set 200MB aside, you need to be able to download shit in the background, have music playing, have a browser with a bunch of tabs open, record gameplay (gona need some ram as buffer before you write it to the HDD)etc
3.5GB is still an unholy shitload to do that though, but it regardless, the 'bloated os' garbage makes no sense as that isn't what the reserved ram is for.
Anyhow, if this change means the other inane argument 'hurr pc gpus don't have 8GB vram' stops then I'll be happy (ignoring pc ram isn't unified and a decent pc will in fact have more memory and at much higher bandwidth available) ,
Seeing every pc upgrade recommendation thread getting shat up with that bullshit was really tiring.
Yes. But Heaven has enough RAM for all our souls.
It wasn't that long ago that people were speculating that both systems would have 2 gig of ram and maybe 4 gig but thats if we were damn lucky, we now have both systems with 5+ gig soley for games so lets keep it in perspective here.
5GB is also 10 times more than we had last gen and when i look at games like Halo 4, The Last Of Us and Uncharted 3, then we have nothing to worry about really, all games these days have good graphics and next gen will be even better.
5GB is also 10 times more than we had last gen and when i look at games like Halo 4, The Last Of Us and Uncharted 3, then we have nothing to worry about really, all games these days have good graphics and next gen will be even better.
Nah, too busy counting rams.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
This must be how that "division" stuff works. Fascinating....
Zok310
Banned
The RAM allocation amount is changing by the day with this rumor. 1gigs of flex memory is a pretty big difference from 512MB of flex memory, so which is it? Do anybody honestly think that Sony designed the PS4 only to be this indecisive on how to allocate the memory in the system?
The way I see it, no one knows what the hell is going on with the memory, I suggest we leave this subject alone.
The way I see it, no one knows what the hell is going on with the memory, I suggest we leave this subject alone.
MMaRsu
Banned
wat
there are plenty of functions shown that cannot be done on PS3. Therefore you'd need more ram in the PS4 for the OS than in the PS3.
That's just what I was trying to say lol.
Wrong. It's still very much a more powerful console.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
If I may be sarcastic, the less memory, the less fun. When I went from my 8GB PC to 16GB, it made games like Bad Rats amazing.
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