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F'DUPTON 3: Back in the Tub with 5.0/5.5/6/7/several Inches of RAM-Flavoured Water

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Shin

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Can someone break down the numbers on how they got to 6GB because I'm not seeing anything from Bruce and Thuway said "just his opinion".

With all this memory and shits there are a lot of things Sony hasn't shown yet, like what browser, voice control, buddy list (PSN only or FB, G+ etc etc), custom sound track, party chat and all that.
 
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kasane

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If I'm a betting man ill bet on 6GB. 5GB seems unreasonable and when Sony didn't clarify the number DF goes and says OH its fucking 512MB trust us guys because we love Xbone so much we can't take it.
 
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VanCityGamer

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If it's actually 6 GB, and DF has it wrong - wouldn't Sony have mentioned that in their press release response? Doesn't seem to make sense to wait until GamesCom. For that reason, I'm more confident in DF unfortunately.
 
James Sawyer Ford

James Sawyer Ford

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REV 09 said:
How about you quit downplaying reasonable reactions to this news. I don't think it matters much overall, but this forum went ape-shit over the 8gb nonsense...I personally feel that they should go equally ape-shit about the pullback, but maybe that's just me preferring consistency to hypocrisy.
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There was no "pullback" as the OS reserve was never officially announced.

We were looking a 3-3.5GB for games before the 8GB announcement, and now we're looking at 5-6GB+ with future reductions in OS footprint after the 8GB announcement, which is a substantial increase allocated for games.
 
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Iced_Eagle

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upJTboogie said:
I don't see how it's blind taking the word of insiders here who have had good track records, that's quite the opposite of blind.

It's quite easy for me not to care about what DF has to say after what happened with and insider and Bish. You're welcome to believe them though, I won't call you blind for it either.
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That's fair, "blind" was too strong of a word to use because you're absolutely correct they have been correct in the past.

My point is, is that if our insiders actually have proof that things are different, then they should give their information (SDK Docs, whatever) to the press, anonymously if they want to and correct the information that DF is reporting.

DF supposedly has multiple sources according to the article as well, which to me signals that they are correct, especially if it's from SDK documentation written by Sony.

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upJTboogie said:
Seems like there's been only people coming out against this rumor. DF on it's own again it seems, like the 7 minute recording.
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See, THAT is more like what I'm talking about. Someone who we know by name, going on record and is actually working on the system saying it's false. I do wonder what part he's saying is false, the numbers or the way the flexible memory works. Regardless, time to sit back and enjoy the show.
 
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Bunta

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BigDug13 said:
But DF was on point with their 7 minute video recording figure on PS4 right?

I guess I'm not as well versed in DF since I never paid attention before. I've only read their stuff about next gen info and none of what they've said fills me with confidence that they're an impartial party so far. But like I said, I wasn't around for all the years of comparing PS3 ports with 360 ports. But to be fair, 360 ports were almost 100% of the time superior to PS3 ports, so any MS bias would be disguised through those years. I'm personally not convinced by their reporting thus far.
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No.

Edit: Maybe not a serious question, lol.
 
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Finalizer

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Glorified G said:
Most assumed the ram speed was 192GB/s since Sony was going with GDDR5. But Bruce corrected it right before vgleaks got the chance to leak the real number.
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So the takeaway I'm going with from all this:

-PS4's memory allocation isn't what folks thought (the whole 7GB thing was basically just an assumption that spread like wildfire)
-The actual overall allocation between games & OS is probably pretty nebulous right now
-5GB acts as a sort of baseline - at the very least, it'll never be below this amount
-Right now, it's just a big thing in the hardcore crowd because the 7GB vs. 5 GB was such a popular bullet point
-Lots of folks have no clue how memory actually fucking works - surprise, surprise. It's like reading /v/ when I see comments like "The power difference between the systems is a lot less than everyone thought!"
 
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Chumpion

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This sounds better. Guessing from what information we have, I'd guess the 8 GB of RAM is divided into a 6 GB direct memory pool, and a 2 GB OS memory pool. The "flexible" memory is allocated from the OS pool, and it's guaranteed that at least 0.5 GB of it is kept in physical memory, with the rest paged out. If the OS and any running apps don't use all of the rest, then the physical amount of flexible memory is increased to make good use of all of the OS pool.

So... 6 + 0.5 GB for games? Sounds reasonable. 1.5 GB is plenty enough OS space for future proofing, yet the "flexible" approach ensures that none of it is wasted.
 
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Wynnebeck

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REV 09 said:
How about you quit downplaying reasonable reactions to this news. I don't think it matters much overall, but this forum went ape-shit over the 8gb nonsense...I personally feel that they should go equally ape-shit about the pullback, but maybe that's just me preferring consistency to hypocrisy.
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lol Please. You are comparing 95% of GAF that lost their collective minds when Sony announced 8GB of GDDR5 RAM at a time that people thought it was technically impossible to do so versus your perceived idea of people being hypocritical about an imaginary number of RAM allocation when Sony never said shit to begin with. Not comparable in the least.

BigDug13 said:
But DF was on point with their 7 minute video recording figure on PS4 right?

I guess I'm not as well versed in DF since I never paid attention before. I've only read their stuff about next gen info and none of what they've said fills me with confidence that they're an impartial party so far. But like I said, I wasn't around for all the years of comparing PS3 ports with 360 ports. But to be fair, 360 ports were almost 100% of the time superior to PS3 ports, so any MS bias would be disguised through those years. I'm personally not convinced by their reporting thus far.
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I'm not saying that DF doesn't have their own sources but they have been known to get things wrong or break news before they have all the full details. The 7 minute video recording being one of their most recent blunders.
 
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AyaisMUsikWhore

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magawolaz said:
Yup. Also, found this: https://twitter.com/BriProv/status/361200597300543488
(top to bottom)
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Even though he is about to say something, please wait for SONY to say something. I'm just saying.. I understand this is Gaf but we got to have a little piece of mind here. We don't want to assume anything.


Also....I've noticed, anyone associated with Sony are just getting blown up all over the place. I'm afraid that soon, all this controversy might cause them to like quit and switch again. Fans are getting a little crazy now. Just a side thought.
 
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RoboPlato

I'd be in the dick
VanCityGamer said:
If it's actually 6 GB, and DF has it wrong - wouldn't Sony have mentioned that in their press release response? Doesn't seem to make sense to wait until GamesCom. For that reason, I'm more confident in DF unfortunately.
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DF's info may just be old. Not inaccurate. Only a few people have access to final hardware at this time and it seems DF's article is based on the dev kits that went out in January since they mention the Shadow Fall slides.

JABEE said:
He seems to contend that DF's interpretation is not true. Hopefully he has numbers. He's a developer on Retro City Rampage.
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Unless Sony have him express permission, he'll be NDA'd on solid numbers.
 
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jayu26

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BigDug13 said:
But DF was on point with their 7 minute video recording figure on PS4 right?

I guess I'm not as well versed in DF since I never paid attention before. I've only read their stuff about next gen info and none of what they've said fills me with confidence that they're an impartial party so far. But like I said, I wasn't around for all the years of comparing PS3 ports with 360 ports. But to be fair, 360 ports were almost 100% of the time superior to PS3 ports, so any MS bias would be disguised through those years. I'm personally not convinced by their reporting thus far.
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Actually they preferred PS3 version for some games surprisingly (tomb raider being one of them), but for the most part they recommended both versions equally in past couple years.
 
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BigDug13

Member
AyaisMUsikWhore said:
Even though he is about to say something, please wait for SONY to say something. I'm just saying.. I understand this is Gaf but we got to have a little piece of mind here. We don't want to assume anything.


Also....I've noticed, anyone associated with Sony are just getting blown up all over the place. I'm afraid that soon, all this controversy might cause them to like quit and switch again. Fans are getting a little crazy now. Just a side thought.
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Quit and switch? As if gamers are more sane on the other side?
 
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DragonSworne

Banned
Can we please ban Eurogamer and digital Foundry after this nonsense?

Their fanboy articles against PS4 trying to spread FUD is getting pathetic.
 
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TheRealTalker

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expect DF to go all ballistic tomorrow if it turns out to be 6gb, probably will write some other article stating how their still right and that this was changed and is being taken from the OS and its all a lie and that frame per seconds... and that they have sources and etc....

o_O
 
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Forceatowulf

G***n S**n*bi
Enectic said:
I really don't think much of many of the "insiders" on GAF. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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I don't know the history of the two who dropped this info that well, admittedly. However, many gaffers I respect seem to think they're legit. So by proxy this seems legit to me.

Also, CBOAT, another GAF insider, is as legit as they come. I've questioned his information before... and ended up getting truth-slapped on every single occasion.
 
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Lifesontheline

Banned
DragonSworne said:
Can we please ban Eurogamer and digital Foundry after this nonsense?

Their fanboy articles against PS4 trying to spread FUD is getting pathetic.
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why ban Digital Foundry what have they done? they provide a lot of unbias information to the community. let's not forget they basically called the xbox one a dvr in January
 
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DragonSworne

Banned
Forceatowulf said:
I don't know the history of the two who dropped this info that well, admittedly. However, many gaffers I respect seem to think they're legit. So by proxy this seems legit to me.

Also, CBOAT, another GAF insider, is as legit as they come. I've questioned his information before... and ended up getting truth-slapped on every single occasion.
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Truth slap is the best kind of slap
 
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chris0701

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In brief, the PS4 ram usage is
4.5GB physical + 0.5 GB virtual (page swap in hard disk).

Is there anything wrong ?

Flexible Memory" is memory managed by the PS4 OS on the game's behalf, and allows games to use some very nice FreeBSD virtual memory functionality. However this memory is 100 per cent the game's memory
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Deleted member 80556

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godelsmetric said:
I like that GAF has consensus-speculated it up to 6GB free based on a single opinion.

This thread
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Two pages, man. You only had to go two pages tops to see who else corroborated it, is it that hard?
 
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DeafSnake13

Banned
casmith07 said:
I'll defer to thuway on this one.
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casmith07 said:
Considering the following:

a) the excitement of the developers over the 8GB GDDR5
b) Digital Foundry's skewering of it's own credibility over the "seven minutes" thing
c) the lack of a report from any reputable source

I will call bull until proven otherwise.
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I endorse this post because Digital Foundry has yet to obtain a launch system with REAL games in order to do actual tests.
 
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terrdactycalsrock

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I dont think this is a big issue. I mean the Xbox One is doing the same thing, but with slower memory. Both consoles are suppose to be these mass market devices. Implying there has to be resources dedicated to, perhaps, a more reliable user exerpeince than hardcore gamers need. I still feel like its a lot of very fast ram for devs.
 
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VanCityGamer

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RoboPlato said:
DF's info may just be old. Not inaccurate. Only a few people have access to final hardware at this time and it seems DF's article is based on the dev kits that went out in January since they mention the Shadow Fall slides.
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True, but then why not say that it's outdated? It would be easy to say that the most recent hardware is 6. I suppose they don't like to comment on rumors - or maybe they don't want to commit to a number because the situation is still fluid. Still - it makes me think DF might be right. Anything could happen/change though. We'll see. Don't think these minor differences are all that important anyway.
 
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