SolidSnakex
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Ask Sega if the PS2's superior hardware wasn't important.
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Ask Sega if the PS2's superior hardware wasn't important.
The article isn't referring to dedicated servers. It's referring to the general experience of Xbox Live vs PSN.
What does it do different, people are getting suckered with this Hdmi pass through.
BritBloke916
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A lot? Most people have no idea what a "dedicated server" even is. As far as they're concerned, you can either play online with your console or you can't. The idea that consumer Joe isn't going to be bothered by better graphics on the PS4 but will be "won over" by the availability of dedicated servers on the Xbone seems outlandish to me.
What's the point with all the capitalization?
Party Popper
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It wasn't with Genesis/SNES...
I think dreamcast was an exception. But that's my point of view
Adjusted slightly for accuracy, but your original point still stands.
And launched 18 months afterwards. Crack open a history book, or the Wikipedias interwebs page.
BritBloke916
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I'm not convinced that many of those that bought the Wii would ever have bought anything else. They bought it for Wii Sports, because they played it at a party.
RoadHazard
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4. Hardware Specs Alone Won't Win a Console War
Haha, what the fuck kind of a reason is that? Total non-reason. It's just saying that PS4's superior hardware might not help it win, it's not saying shit about why it would help the XBO do so.
3. Toppling the Leading Incumbent is Easier Said than Done
US-centric article? The PS3 ended up the global leader of the HD twins when all was said and done, if not by much. So this is not only a non-reason, it's plain false.
2. Microsoft's Online Gaming Backbone Puts Sony (and Nintendo) to Shame
This one has a bit more merit going by the past generation, but I'm pretty sure we can expect PSN to get much closer to parity to XBL this time around. Sony has expressed a strong will to make their network a lot better, and that's part of the reason why online gaming will no longer be free. So I don't think the difference here will really be big enough to be a deciding factor for anyone. Also, PS+ laughs in the face of anything MS offers for your subscription money.
1. Modern Consoles Are Entertainment Hubs -- And the Numbers Prove It
Yes, and the PS4 will be one too. Only without the live TV passthrough. Is that enough to make people go for the XBO instead? I doubt it, and even if that's the case it's really only a factor in the US (again). Elsewhere, this feature will likely be almost completely useless.
So yeah, this was pointless. The XBO might well end up winning in the US - I don't think that would surprise anyone - but in the rest of the world? Not likely.
Haha, what the fuck kind of a reason is that? Total non-reason. It's just saying that PS4's superior hardware might not help it win, it's not saying shit about why it would help the XBO do so.
3. Toppling the Leading Incumbent is Easier Said than Done
US-centric article? The PS3 ended up the global leader of the HD twins when all was said and done, if not by much. So this is not only a non-reason, it's plain false.
2. Microsoft's Online Gaming Backbone Puts Sony (and Nintendo) to Shame
This one has a bit more merit going by the past generation, but I'm pretty sure we can expect PSN to get much closer to parity to XBL this time around. Sony has expressed a strong will to make their network a lot better, and that's part of the reason why online gaming will no longer be free. So I don't think the difference here will really be big enough to be a deciding factor for anyone. Also, PS+ laughs in the face of anything MS offers for your subscription money.
1. Modern Consoles Are Entertainment Hubs -- And the Numbers Prove It
Yes, and the PS4 will be one too. Only without the live TV passthrough. Is that enough to make people go for the XBO instead? I doubt it, and even if that's the case it's really only a factor in the US (again). Elsewhere, this feature will likely be almost completely useless.
So yeah, this was pointless. The XBO might well end up winning in the US - I don't think that would surprise anyone - but in the rest of the world? Not likely.
Yoshi
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4 is no reason for success, it's just saying that there is no guarantee for no success, which is rather pointless. 3 - leading incumbant? You mean, the barely second place "leader" who might fall to third place in a few months? It's not as if Microsoft dominates the industry, they are quite successful at the moment (in the US) and won that against a PS3 starting off the back of the PS2 and a super strong Wii in its first few years. But this is far off from dominance.
Brad Grenz
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Addressed inline.
Wait, what? Are you serious? This "holistic" approach isn't winning anyone's shit, let alone their "hearts and minds". Hardcore gamers were enraged by the focus on TV and other social media, and the casual market is extremely unlikely to grab this thing for $500. Basically, in following said holistic approach they are sacrificing a significant part of one of those markets, casual and hardcore, if not both. So, no, this approach really doesn't mean shit when it comes to Microsoft's hypothetical success.
Sony knows where their demographic lies. They played their cards right and knew how to market their product. Microsoft is doing nothing but playing catch up with the policies that made Sony truly win the hearts of gamers on E3. They aren't going to win shit this next generation if that is the only thing they can resort to. Especially when they didn't win current gen as it is.
SolidSnakex
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It wasn't with Genesis/SNES...
I think dreamcast was an exception. But that's my point of view
The PSone had superior hardware to the Saturn, at least on the 3D side, and dominated it. And Sony basically managed to kill the Dreamcast's hype purely on positioning it as being a generation behind the PS2's tech even though it really wasn't.
Media functionality will be on par with both consoles, Sony isn't just going to pocket new PS+ money and not do anything with it. Server beefing, online and software infrastructure, Sony isn't going to slouch when it comes to those things.
Both consoles have paid online, Sony's media functionality will be free without needing PS+ I believe, meanwhile the Xbone may still have paywalls and other oddities.
Way too early to say which console will have better media functionality and UI.
Both consoles have paid online, Sony's media functionality will be free without needing PS+ I believe, meanwhile the Xbone may still have paywalls and other oddities.
Way too early to say which console will have better media functionality and UI.
Glancing over the article (probably should read it fully admittedly), let's rip these arguments apart!
I do feel at best it's going to be a 50/50 split, but it's going to take something big to make XB1 dominate at this point I imagine.
Usually this is because the strongest is ALSO the most expensive, and while being cheapest doesn't mean you win (Dreamcast or GameCube anyone?) being more expensive AND weaker certainly doesn't do the console any favors. And usually it's either down to novelty (Wii) or whoever gets a good, strong library of games quickest (PS1, PS2, 360), though admittedly this means with both starting at the same time they'd probably be roughly even there. I'd imagine that means a slight nod to Sony.
True, to an extent. If one of them screws up badly enough people will bail, and that was absolutely happening around E3 with Microsoft. They may've fixed quite a few of the problems, but not ALL of them, certainly not that price point, Americans aren't exactly the most loyal consumers on average, and Microsoft STILL hasn't successfully thrown over Nintendo like Sony did with Nintendo. Seems Sony's in a solid position to take it back.
This seems true enough for the most part, but Sony DOES look to make big jumps with the PS4, and while charging now hurts it does help many are already invested just due to the free games, and so long as that continues they'll stay invested. Granted, where all your friends are IS a huge factor, but it seems many 360 guys are willing to jump to PS4, and after party chat it seemed Microsoft was content just to keep get streaming apps on while doing little gaming-wise, and while that IS nice to have more of there's many other devices with them, and without a secondary subscription to use. Which goes to...
... This is an area where Sony leads for Netflix, and if MS still demands a fee for using them I DO think things will just flip to Sony with ease, especially since they're already leading on Netflix and look ready to get many services up on it. Granted Microsoft has that cable box connectivity thing, but it remains to be seen if that's even something people really went versus the meat and potatoes blu-ray/streaming services. Especially with more people cable cutting.
I do feel at best it's going to be a 50/50 split, but it's going to take something big to make XB1 dominate at this point I imagine.
Pretty much this.
There is no 1 year head start this time for Microsoft and that negative PR has already reached mainstream media and that fancy multimedia hub shit isnt really working that way outside the US...
bigboss370
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reads like a random gaf post honestly.
4) Duh?
3) Xbox/MS isn't the lead incumbent.
2) False. I've played online on both, similar experiences in terms of smoothness and connectivity.
1) PS4 serves as an entertainment hub as well...
4) Duh?
3) Xbox/MS isn't the lead incumbent.
2) False. I've played online on both, similar experiences in terms of smoothness and connectivity.
1) PS4 serves as an entertainment hub as well...
I feel like presentation goes a long way. Average consumers wont know which console is more powerful, but if they come into a store and see MS' ui with kinect interface then that might make them 'think' the XO is more advanced than the PS4. They might look at the PS4 and think 'Yeah its $100 cheaper but the camera is $60 and isnt as good.'
And I bet MS will do something tricky like 'Get a double extension on gold account if you transfer over to XO.'
And I bet MS will do something tricky like 'Get a double extension on gold account if you transfer over to XO.'
Party Popper
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N64 had superior hardware than PSone too...
That's so true it hurts. Poor SEGA
My PS3 is more of an entertainment hub than the Xbone or 360 ever could be. Sony's support for DLNA is next to none.
The fact that the Xbox One has an HDMI input feature is rendered useless outside of the USA, where the TV providers actually support stuff like that. My ISP/operator will never ever consider supporting the Xbox as a media pass-through device. So there.
unholyrevenger72
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Seriously, that's a horrible list
SolidSnakex
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Reading the article he only seems to care about the US. The rest of the world is irrelevant to him. So he's basing that entire point of the article around the 360 outselling the other consoles in the US in recent years. That just shows you how much of a mess his points are.
Phoenician_Viking
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Kinnect is so very integrated into the Xbone software and strategy that there´s no way that MS will sell Xbone without Kinnect.
Or those people bought kinect and didn't use it, see new one comes with that dust collector again and coats more as a reason and chooses the cheaper ps4. I know people who like wii sports bought kinect never played past the fad and its left a bad taste in the mouths, I think it's hurt wii u as people thought well I never played the last one its a waste of money.
Depends. It used cartridges, which means the sound quality was significantly worse and games often lacked content and graphical enhancements because they didn't have as much space as a CD.
The actual processing power and stuff was limited by the fact that they still used carts.
Indeed. Woeful display.
sleeping_dragon
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MS came last this gen mate, their world wide sales are behind both Nintendo and Sony. The leading incumbent is Nintendo and now looks what happens to the Wii U. And all the other points are just plain stupid so I won't bother to comment on it.
8. Power of the CLOUD
What the what. Xbone is so concerted on a single area it's full name is secretly Xbox One Nation Under God.
I dont know, i kind of get the feeling the xbox one will be behind for most of the next gen, playing yoyo-ing catchup when microsoft does certain things like pushing the console with cable subscriptions and so on, but if you evaluate all the facts, it really doesnt make much sense to believe it will dominate or even edge ahead.
Did it? pretty sure N64 couldnt handle Gran Turismo..
akachan ningen
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yep. a lot of people that were wii owners grew up and are graduating to ps4/xb1. but keep in mind that the new generation of gamers is into mobile gaming so that might eat up some market share too. so all 3 might end up not getting to 100 mil.
This article sums up why I don't want a Xbox One, I have a Smart TV, I don't need a console to do the exact same task I can do with the TV remote that's already in my hand, I have a lot better online experiences on PSN to Xbox Live
As far the second, I think the amount of people willing to jump ship when the DRM news was out goes to show
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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4. Hardware won't but price will
3. Leading? lol
2. Not really
1. So people like to watch netflix? PS4 can do that too. If they are talking about running giant ass apps on their TVs that do the same EXACT things that smartphones do..........:lol
Yeah, most prior generations weren't as clearcut as the next one looks to be. I think stuff like the Master System and Neo Geo were above and beyond the others, but both were niches and in the case of Neo Geo the price angle completely murdered it, whereas SNES/Genesis and N64/Saturn/PS1 each had their own quirks even if one had more strong points than weak points like SNES or N64 (though for N64 it's one hell of a crippling weak point), even with the PS2/Xbox the PS2 had some very specific quirks (and I wonder if the Xbox was REALLY that practical design-wise for a pure gaming system) while the GC was sort of in between.
Here, PS4 seems to be basically XB1+ tech-wise, with XB1 saddled by its Kinect.
"He holds numerous technical credentials from Microsoft, Google, and CompTIA and specializes in consulting customers on growing hot technologies such as Office 365"
Seriously though, it will all come down to how clearly can Sony's marketing emphasize their advantages which are:
1. More powerful hardware, which will probably result in better third party games in a few years
2. Less expensive - this will work properly only if it goes together with point one, otherwise people may think it is weaker (cheaper=weaker by "common sense"). Sony has must use streamline media to pronounce this for them.
3. Probably higher quality first party exclusives, but as "quality" is a subjective thing, this can be marketed only through media too.
Sony has a serious advantage by their price tag ifself and to maintain it they'll have to introduce yearly price drops, like 50 dollars per every one or two year, just to make sure they stay ahead competition in that area as well.
Surely Xbox One can win over the masses as well, it's just MS has a whole lot more to do for them this time around. (while Sony has to do a bit less IMO)
1. More powerful hardware, which will probably result in better third party games in a few years
2. Less expensive - this will work properly only if it goes together with point one, otherwise people may think it is weaker (cheaper=weaker by "common sense"). Sony has must use streamline media to pronounce this for them.
3. Probably higher quality first party exclusives, but as "quality" is a subjective thing, this can be marketed only through media too.
Sony has a serious advantage by their price tag ifself and to maintain it they'll have to introduce yearly price drops, like 50 dollars per every one or two year, just to make sure they stay ahead competition in that area as well.
Surely Xbox One can win over the masses as well, it's just MS has a whole lot more to do for them this time around. (while Sony has to do a bit less IMO)
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
4. Well, Specs alone won't decide the war, but they're certainly an important factor and having lower specs at a higher pricepoint is definitely not an advantage.
3. MS is the leading incumbent? Oh, and we've see a lot of Xbox360 owners jump ship recently.
2. That was the case 4 years ago. Sony catched up.
1. The Ps4 is also capable of all the entertainment stuff. MS just puts the focus on it instead of gaming.
Chuck Norris
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The four reasons:
4. Hardware Specs Alone Won't Win a Console War
Counterpoint: What? Maybe if hardware specs were leading to a price disadvantage. But they certainly aren't. The inference made here that weaker hardware is an advantage is ridiculous
3. Toppling the Leading Incumbent is Easier Said than Done
Counterpoint: So Nintendo followed by Sony should win over Microsoft
2. Microsoft's Online Gaming Backbone Puts Sony (and Nintendo) to Shame
Fair enough assumption, but Sony looks like its doing a great job
1. Modern Consoles Are Entertainment Hubs -- And the Numbers Prove It
Counterpoint: Here is the list of entertainment Hubs I have in my house:
- PS3
- Xbox 360
- Apple TV
- PC
- Macbook Pro
- Ipad
- Samsung smart TV
4. Hardware Specs Alone Won't Win a Console War
Counterpoint: What? Maybe if hardware specs were leading to a price disadvantage. But they certainly aren't. The inference made here that weaker hardware is an advantage is ridiculous
3. Toppling the Leading Incumbent is Easier Said than Done
Counterpoint: So Nintendo followed by Sony should win over Microsoft
2. Microsoft's Online Gaming Backbone Puts Sony (and Nintendo) to Shame
Fair enough assumption, but Sony looks like its doing a great job
1. Modern Consoles Are Entertainment Hubs -- And the Numbers Prove It
Counterpoint: Here is the list of entertainment Hubs I have in my house:
- PS3
- Xbox 360
- Apple TV
- PC
- Macbook Pro
- Ipad
- Samsung smart TV
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