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alfredofroylan
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Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Anime mostly died after 1999 when digital inking became a thing.
Western Cartoons have also not been good since Cartoon Network got rid of its classics.
This isn't even a nostalgia thing, rewatching dexters lab the other week made me giggle and I found most of the episodes have multi-level humor, one layer for the kids and one layer for the adults watching with their kids.
That shit is either flat out gone or replaced by "reaction image face" humor, "hurp durp XD" humor or a pseudo deep plot line that is actually terrible.
My opinion though, I have no problems if you enjoy either. They just don't appeal to me any more.
Western Cartoons have also not been good since Cartoon Network got rid of its classics.
This isn't even a nostalgia thing, rewatching dexters lab the other week made me giggle and I found most of the episodes have multi-level humor, one layer for the kids and one layer for the adults watching with their kids.
That shit is either flat out gone or replaced by "reaction image face" humor, "hurp durp XD" humor or a pseudo deep plot line that is actually terrible.
My opinion though, I have no problems if you enjoy either. They just don't appeal to me any more.
Nichijou (My Ordinary Life) is the funniest fucking thing, oh my god.
I do appreciate how despite the main perceived difference in my head (other than art style) between anime and American animation being the focus on story/action vs. humor/witty dialogue, Nichijou shows up with the humor and dialogue, then pumps it up to Japanese levels of absurdity. Fucking love it.
I do agree though. I'm loving Attack on Titan, but the drama/character interaction has been a much bigger draw for me recently. I love KyoAni's work, really liked Steins;Gate, adored Madoka, and so forth.
FlashbladeGAF
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Did you even make it to the 5th episode? I feel if you did, you would be on board Attack on Titan just because of all the shit that hits the fan in the 4th episode
They are on the 4th major arc, Episode 92 I think
Love it!
Wat.
Dedication Through Light
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Phoenician_Viking, dont you really like The Magical Index/Railgun series?. Surprised the anime of choice chosen was Godoka.
Anyway after Free! I dont really think there is any way for any american animation to reach such good quality offered here and even the diversity offered. Id also put K, Accel World, and Guilty Crown as anime of choice to mention.
Anyway after Free! I dont really think there is any way for any american animation to reach such good quality offered here and even the diversity offered. Id also put K, Accel World, and Guilty Crown as anime of choice to mention.
If we are going to be REALLY honest Anime, at least in America, was mostly just a fad spurred by a few hits. American cartoons were always better at the very least in quality, it was just Anime was something new and had appeal based on that.
Although there has been a few good anime recently. Flowers of Evil, although getting kind of stupid towards the end, was refreshing. It must be dreadfully difficult to make good anime though. It is all about money, and only stupid people willingly give up their money to these shows at such high numbers. That is why absolutely terrible shows like Dragon Ball Z, Sailor Moon, and Yu Yu Hakusho can get 100+ episode without fail, and good shows like Narutaru cant even get a second season. Otaku culture both saved, and killed, anime.
Although there has been a few good anime recently. Flowers of Evil, although getting kind of stupid towards the end, was refreshing. It must be dreadfully difficult to make good anime though. It is all about money, and only stupid people willingly give up their money to these shows at such high numbers. That is why absolutely terrible shows like Dragon Ball Z, Sailor Moon, and Yu Yu Hakusho can get 100+ episode without fail, and good shows like Narutaru cant even get a second season. Otaku culture both saved, and killed, anime.
I haaaaaate this tribal mentality. Fuck that, seriously.
If there is a good anime, that is a good anime.It is not a fucking score in a team sports, followed by a wall bounce and a tackle from a steroid-riding hulk. It is a GOOD SHOW, yaay.
Similarly, if there is a good cartoon made in the USA, that is a good cartoon. End of story.
Enjoy, appreciate both. Unless you enjoy score averaging and virtual score counting more than actually watching these shows.
If there is a good anime, that is a good anime.It is not a fucking score in a team sports, followed by a wall bounce and a tackle from a steroid-riding hulk. It is a GOOD SHOW, yaay.
Similarly, if there is a good cartoon made in the USA, that is a good cartoon. End of story.
Enjoy, appreciate both. Unless you enjoy score averaging and virtual score counting more than actually watching these shows.
This sounds really interesting, gonna look it up!
Yes. Still not on board.
Oh, then I'm not too far off! Yorknew City right? Perfect.
The amount of shows i like a given season has been declining but there's still great shows coming out. Uchouten Kazoku for example is fantastic so far and there's still a lot of good feature films being released every year.
The moaning from the anime is dead crowd is just annoying as the stereotypical moaning from the moe characters that they deem killed their favourite cartoons.
The moaning from the anime is dead crowd is just annoying as the stereotypical moaning from the moe characters that they deem killed their favourite cartoons.
Japanese anime is often more mature compared to American animation though. The US is great for comedy and kids shows like Adventure Time, Regular Show, Family Guy and The Simpsons, but Japanese shows like Attack on Titan, Death Note, Berserk and Hellsing Ultimate touch on mature subjects that might be off-putting for general American audiences.
I'm pretty bias against anime, I'll admit it. My main beef with a lot of it is the lack of originality in the animation itself. Everyone has the same triangle shaped face with giant goo goo eyes and tiny mouth. I could show you 10 faces from 10 different animes and they all look the same. The only way to tell them apart is by whatever hairstyle they have. They use too many similar, what I like to call, "anime memes." How many times must I watch a glass of ice do the shifting, melting ice thing? How many times must I watch their face go from normal to completely zany, goofy face with X's or snot coming out of the nose with the same sound effects accentuating them? And some reason a lot of anime have this insistence on putting a young female in some awkward sexually suggestive situation that's quite frankly unsettling to me.
I dunno GAF, please tell me I'm wrong or that I've been watching the wrong anime because all of this just ruins it for me every time. It's like all the anime studios have some handbook or checklist they go down to make sure they have included every single generic anime staple and it just drags their originality down.
Going on to American cartoons, at the very least they seem to all be drastically different from each other in terms of art style and comedy. I haven't seen much of the new crap, but all the big popular series I know of have wildly different styles that resonates much more with me.
That all being said, I've very obviously been away from the anime scene for a long time.
I dunno GAF, please tell me I'm wrong or that I've been watching the wrong anime because all of this just ruins it for me every time. It's like all the anime studios have some handbook or checklist they go down to make sure they have included every single generic anime staple and it just drags their originality down.
Going on to American cartoons, at the very least they seem to all be drastically different from each other in terms of art style and comedy. I haven't seen much of the new crap, but all the big popular series I know of have wildly different styles that resonates much more with me.
That all being said, I've very obviously been away from the anime scene for a long time.
captmcblack
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American cartoons never truly stopped being good - they just didn't have Saturday mornings anymore, or places of prominent visibility for a while.
Nowadays, that visibility isn't an issue because you can consume this media anytime, anywhere and on almost any screen you like - so people are seeing what's really good. Recently, there's been great new GI Joe (Resolute, Renegades) and Transformers (Animated and Prime) stuff, great animation from DC and Marvel both on TV (Avengers: EMH, Spectacular Spiderman) and direct to DVD (pretty much everything DC has released ever), Thundercats came back, Sym-bionic Titan, Motorcity, Tron...
Comedy has been on point for kids for a bit too with Regular Show, Gumball, Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, Phineas and Ferb...I used to be all like "everything sucks, nothing is as good as it used to be", but I gotta admit - it's not half bad if you're a kid right now.
Nowadays, that visibility isn't an issue because you can consume this media anytime, anywhere and on almost any screen you like - so people are seeing what's really good. Recently, there's been great new GI Joe (Resolute, Renegades) and Transformers (Animated and Prime) stuff, great animation from DC and Marvel both on TV (Avengers: EMH, Spectacular Spiderman) and direct to DVD (pretty much everything DC has released ever), Thundercats came back, Sym-bionic Titan, Motorcity, Tron...
Comedy has been on point for kids for a bit too with Regular Show, Gumball, Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, Phineas and Ferb...I used to be all like "everything sucks, nothing is as good as it used to be", but I gotta admit - it's not half bad if you're a kid right now.
Got made on Nickelodeon of all places. The Almighty himself must have delivered the pitch while all the planets and stars were aligned to get that show greenlit by the Spongbob and Rugrats network.
Whatever happened, I'm glad it did because that show is a masterwork.
~Devil Trigger~
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is this in in English yet?
Dude, Narutaru are based on 11-volume manga.. its ending with proper ending, why the hell they would make S2 of it anyway.
Gundam? Cowboy Bebops? Gurren Lagann? Tiger & Bunny?
There is plenty of generic anime stuff as well, and there is unique American stuff Maybe you should go out and find different kinds of American animation
Do you want a list
Doctor Decimate
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Kind of hard to judge when the OP doesn't give examples of what is "bad". And no, "ALL OF IT LAWL" doesn't count
WTF are you talking about?
You realise that the Anime shows you're talking about where extremely old dated stuffs that when you started getting them in the US the rest of the world was already past and beyond them.
I mean YuYu is from 92/94 or something.
If the US public weren't watching them, it wouldn't have stopped the show from being made AT ALL.
Next year you'll discover St Seiya and claim that it's crap because the image quality isn't that good!
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
I was mainly into anime because of the awesome hand drawn animation. Just watch any sequence from bubblegum crisis or 0083 stardust memory or even Akira.
That stuff was pristine.
Johnlenham
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Its not even that good. I dont get the hype. I watched up to about 13 episodes and really there is very little to it and it looks like ass 80% of the time.
Loaded with cliche characters aswell so I wouldnt hold it up as some paragon of anime..
They could have finished the manga. It was not proper ending at all because a second season was planned. The Anime was only like at volume 5 on the last episode.
They backed out to show more lowbrow garbage.
Funky Papa
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I'd like to, yes.
Someone hasn't seen Aku no Hana or Kingdom, lol. There are anime with different art styles, you're just not looking for them.
Some people aren't aware that a lot of anime are adaptations of manga. Cartoons aren't exactly based on already written material, or at least the adaptation isn't similar to the kind of close adaptations you get with anime.
No, Chimera Ants.
vas_a_morir
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My bro, they took 2 full seasons worth of stuff and crammed it into 10 episodes. The romance angle fucking destroyed that show, and they were in a rush to get so much stuff in.
Anime kinda blows hard. It's all that 'moe' shit I can't stand. It has taken over.
Was talking about the cartoons through the context of American vs Japanese.
I know the American public had little to do with their popularity domestically. Otaku culture of Japan is to blame for that
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Yes, i forgot about that lol. But it´s a sequel/ manga adapted anime and not original.
Well you can look forward to The Wind Rises. Some of the best animation out there.
InsaneZero
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You guys really, really, really need to watch Fate/Zero. It's incredible and one of the best anime in years.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Nah. Attack on Titan alone proves you wrong.
chickdigger802
Banned
you can argue that most modern anime do share a 'same generic face' syndrome... but for the most part the animation quality is quite satisfactory.
if you like your fightin' animes there is much to be happy about, visually.
if you like your fightin' animes there is much to be happy about, visually.
1st Course
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I think Spice and Wolf 2 was the last anime series that I've watched so I can't comment on your opinion op, these days I just watch movies from time to time. Here some of the stuff I've enjoyed in the last 3 years or so:
Eve no Jikan
Wolf Children
Summer Wars
Redline
The Secret World of Arrietty
I think anime is still a good medium overall.
Eve no Jikan
Wolf Children
Summer Wars
Redline
The Secret World of Arrietty
I think anime is still a good medium overall.
I've been told this is "Cry Like a Bitch" tier.
Ugh that's right after Greed Island ;~;
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Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Phoenician_Viking
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It´s much better from all sides. Animation, plot, comedy, action, dialog. TMNT is truly incredible, and i am still amazed how the show retained high quality throughout the first season.
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