They are not polar opposites, but not really that similar either. Especially the way the characters are animated is completely different, Hyouka has 0 slapstick and cartoony faces for one.
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They are not polar opposites, but not really that similar either. Especially the way the characters are animated is completely different, Hyouka has 0 slapstick and cartoony faces for one.
People have already listed a bunch of titles in here.
Vampire On Titus
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I agree. I think the whole competition between fans who prefer one over the other stuff is dumb. The majority of both suck but there's always the few great shows that make it all worth it, just like anything else.
Just gotta use any opportunity available to post "The Band Concert" gifs.
didn't disney recently canned what remaining 2d animators were left there?
I remember reading a thread about that a while ago, probably true
:<At least there still making those new Mickey shorts? Not as good as the old stuff but better than anything they've been doing with him for a long time.
Gintoki313
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I wonder if anyone here counts anime and cartoon movies. I think both have came out with some really impressive movies in the past years. I know anime has Summer Wars which came out in 2009 and was really good.
I personally saw Lustice League Doom which came out in 2012 (this was the latest cartoon movie I saw so I'm sorry I couldn't go back further, I didn't want to go further then 2008) and I thought it was good as well. Though I bet someone could pick a better one then that to represent a good recent cartoon movie.
True, I agree.
I personally saw Lustice League Doom which came out in 2012 (this was the latest cartoon movie I saw so I'm sorry I couldn't go back further, I didn't want to go further then 2008) and I thought it was good as well. Though I bet someone could pick a better one then that to represent a good recent cartoon movie.
True, I agree.
Dude I'm pretty sure stuffs like Silver Spoon, One Piece, DBZ, etc.
Basically stuffs that are manga adaptions are even close to living or dying because of Otaku no longer buying the wares they're selling along with.
Dvd/Br sales might indicates that a show is popular or not but that goes without saying.
I don't know why you're thinking for 1 sec that stuffs like Naruto or even Sailor Moon only appeals to obsessed Otakus and that the shows are only geared at them.
It's like you're arguing that the CoD games are only aiming at gun nuts or something.
And seriously you don't need to buy every single crap out of every anime to appreciate Animes in the same way you don't need to get MLP crap toys to enjoy the show (or it's even creeepier than I thought).
hosannainexcelsis
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Or K. Can't get shorter than that!
Yes, K-ON is rather loose in its animation style, whereas Hyouka is more solid and its animation gets its expressiveness from a style akin to heightened realism.
Also, personally this is the most visually arresting sequence I've seen last year or even this year:
http://youtu.be/JRA1Se6u3JE?t=35s
Too bad about yt quality :/
http://youtu.be/JRA1Se6u3JE?t=35s
Too bad about yt quality :/
I know, I meant to say the model doesn't look sustainable anymore. Too many factors are play today that can plain screw up a show. See Mattel dropping the Young Justice toyline before the season even started, which pretty much condemned the show to cancellation. Also, Green Lantern movie bombing, effectively killing the Animated Series.
As good Sym-Bionic Titan was and regardless of the ratings, the show had extremely bland designs for the robots. The designs were too uninspiring. No wonder it didn't get a toyline.
When such high quality shows can get killed by a toy company losing interest on the license, it makes me wonder if the current model is really sustainable, at least for action cartoons. I still think it's a miracle how Avatar got finished and Korra green-lighted. Nick struck gold with buying the TMNT IP.
The only network that I think is a safer haven for action cartoons is the Hub. Being owned by a Toy Company really gave Transformers Prime and stable ground. I can't see the show reaching satisfying ending at Cartoon Network or other network like it did on the Hub.
A new, american Transformers Show is in the works, time will say if it is a continuation of Transformers Prime or a new universe. But I think the franchise's animated brand is in good hands at the Hub. Transformers Prime ended at the right time and with a great send off. Say what you will about Bayformers, but dat baymoney was put up to good use by Hasbro. (Forming the Hub).
Razgriz-Specter
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Best American cartoon ever(not counting Futurama)
for me as far as animation goes
1. Futurama
2. Mystery Incorporated
3. Higurashi no Naku
4. Steins;Gate
I'm going to give you that. While I did not like that series, I could see why someone would like it.
DragonSworne
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Gravity Falls is the best thing to come out from a western animation studio.
The show is so great and has a lot of hidden depth that a casual viewer will miss.
The show is so great and has a lot of hidden depth that a casual viewer will miss.
gundamkyoukai
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There have been a whole bunch of great shows over the years ( most stuff base on light novels and manga any way )
Anybody that says otherwise have not watch much anime or stuck in the past .
Also Brothers Conflict is made for girls there is nothing wrong with it .
I also enjoy American cartoons so it's good time to be a animation fan .
Anybody that says otherwise have not watch much anime or stuck in the past .
Also Brothers Conflict is made for girls there is nothing wrong with it .
I also enjoy American cartoons so it's good time to be a animation fan .
Kite
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Looking at my anime list..
Legend of the Galactic Heroes: A Hundred Billion Stars; A Hundred Billion Lights
Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex 2nd GIG - Individual Eleven
Shoujo Kakumei Utena: Adolescence Mokushiroku
Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae o Bokutachi wa Mada Shiranai
There are really impressive movies coming from both shores, for sure.
It was already mentioned in the thread, but Wolf Children, the most recent movie from the director of Summer Wars, is one of the best animated movies I've ever seen.
Schadenfreude
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Hey whoah now. The only tears being shed on Toonami-GAF about SAO are tears of laughter over how bad we think it is.
chicagocubsfan
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Watch Hunter X Hunter 2011 OP. That will change your mind.
Agreed so much.
I'm also hoping that Greg Weisman (Gargoyles, Spectacular Spider-man, Young Justice) will finally have a lasting hit on his hands with the new CG Star Wars Rebels toon coming out next year.
All of his goods were always so well done, and then killed off too soon.
I wish I'd known this sooner.
HassanJamal
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Ill agree with the OP. Some pretty great cartoons(that were sadly cancelled) such as YJ, LoK, Gravity Falls and hopefully Wander over Yonder BUT as of now, anime is starting to look more interesting with Watashi ga Motenai blah blah, Dog & Scissors, Genshiken Nidaime. Hopefully more anime with variety to them. Less moe and generic high school settings, more whacky original anime.
JoJo?
Clairvoyance
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Lol.
InsaneZero
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Hell no. JoJo has style, but the actual production quality is nowhere near Hyouka's. It actually looks pretty cheap, tbh.
Jex
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Dear God at elements of this thread. I don't agree with you OP, there's plenty of good anime being produced.
Incidentally, I don't particularly see why this has to be an 'America vs Japan' thing when both regions are producing good works except that on the Internet everything has to be "X vs Y".
Incidentally, I don't particularly see why this has to be an 'America vs Japan' thing when both regions are producing good works except that on the Internet everything has to be "X vs Y".
America has the opportunity and the resources to be better but right now its not. Good action cartoons have been made but have been cancelled and have low ratings. I watch a lot of cartoons but the only ones that are any good are adventure time and the regular show. In anime there are new animes realesed every season with many gems and high production values. I wish it was true but America is not near the level of animu at this moment.
Jex
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Not even close.
it's the citizen kane of anime.
DeadRockstar
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Agreed on both points. The OP gives me no confidence that the author has bothered to familiarise himself with recent worthwhile anime, citing one show in the whole thing with zero examples of shows he didn't enjoy or any substantial reasoning given.
It's also written from the inflammatory perspective of East Vs. West, giving the impression that the intention was just to hate on anime.
Either way, there are enough suggestions in here that OP can look them up and decide for himself if he feels so incined.
I never understand these threads. You pick the best possible examples for American cartoons and then just generalize all anime without giving any recent examples. I've got news for you, the vast majority of any media is crap, and the off examples here or there are just igniting your bias.
Black Door
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SO RANDUM flash animation bullshit marketed to Cap'n Crunch eating potheads> Attack on Titan, Little Witch Academia, Fairy Tail, One Piece, Redline?
Get outta here.
Get outta here.
fredrancour
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Some people feel a fiery hatred for regular show and adventure time
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Can't believe I forgot The Maxx; I had the VHS set a long time ago. Grainy but excellent. Duckman's awesome too, I love the episode where they're trying to solve the murder mystery at the party and Duckman's being filmed for a television special.
And I guess since the thread's already derailing into a nostalgia trip, anyone seen this British show called Stressed Eric?
Funky Papa
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Matter of taste and what not, but I politely disagree. I have yet to see BD, though, and the movie was terrific.Ok, I will give you a 5er.
I can list some more if you want, and I haven't even got into the Live action shows.
Jex
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Just to get down to brass tacks:
If we can assume that 'animation' is a sub-set of quality and by quality you mean overall production levels then I'd have to disagree. Production values are roughly at the same level they have been for years and years. Some shows look great, some look awful.
Originality is something that anime has always struggled with but that's true in most mediums so I don't see why anime needs to be picked on in particular. There's a lack of originality in triple-AAA videogames and blockbuster movies too. It all stems from the same basic source - whenever you're making something that costs a lot of money you want to appeal to the widest possible audience and so creators tend to play it safe.
The only time you could argue that more original anime was being produced than at present was during the height of Japan's bubble economy in the late 80's when everyone had too much money and could afford to back crazy projects. That wasn't the case before the bubble and it certainly isn't the case now so it's hardly a recent development.
Even still independent animation still exists and more 'unusual' works are still produced for example the series of anime OVA's based off successful short stories for women or the OVA's produced with the help of the Japanese government that were designed to train animators.
High school has been a setting in anime and manga for decades and will probably continue to be a setting for sometime to come as long as people consider it to be the 'Golden Years' of their life before their stuck being a salary man etc. This isn't anything new. You can chose to watch or avoid these titles as you please but I wouldn't recommend writing off every work has highschool as a setting because then you're going to miss excellent works like The Flowers of Evil. As is the case with most things, every title should be examined before making a decision on whether or not to to commit time to it.
In general, there's a lot of sweeping generalizations in your argument. Your points certainly stand for a number of shows being produced but then, so what? Avoid bad shows, watch good shows.
The vast majority of anime is bad, just like the vast majority of work in any medium. You need to examine each title on it's own merits and see what people say about it before committing your time to watching it and then you'll probably have a better experience.
You've roped together quite a number of divergent factors in that single statement.
If we can assume that 'animation' is a sub-set of quality and by quality you mean overall production levels then I'd have to disagree. Production values are roughly at the same level they have been for years and years. Some shows look great, some look awful.
Originality is something that anime has always struggled with but that's true in most mediums so I don't see why anime needs to be picked on in particular. There's a lack of originality in triple-AAA videogames and blockbuster movies too. It all stems from the same basic source - whenever you're making something that costs a lot of money you want to appeal to the widest possible audience and so creators tend to play it safe.
The only time you could argue that more original anime was being produced than at present was during the height of Japan's bubble economy in the late 80's when everyone had too much money and could afford to back crazy projects. That wasn't the case before the bubble and it certainly isn't the case now so it's hardly a recent development.
Even still independent animation still exists and more 'unusual' works are still produced for example the series of anime OVA's based off successful short stories for women or the OVA's produced with the help of the Japanese government that were designed to train animators.
Moe is a very vague term that gets tossed around a lot online but if we're talking about anime designed to appeal to a certain subset of otaku who are only interested in 'cute girls' then there's admittedly a number of those shows being produced every year but that's been the case for awhile. It hardly drowns out everything else that's being released.
High school has been a setting in anime and manga for decades and will probably continue to be a setting for sometime to come as long as people consider it to be the 'Golden Years' of their life before their stuck being a salary man etc. This isn't anything new. You can chose to watch or avoid these titles as you please but I wouldn't recommend writing off every work has highschool as a setting because then you're going to miss excellent works like The Flowers of Evil. As is the case with most things, every title should be examined before making a decision on whether or not to to commit time to it.
This has also been the case since time immemorial as the majority of anime produced is an adaption of something, usually a manga. There's literallt thousands upon thousands of these adaptations and they don't really share any common similarities in terms of how they are adapted because of the differences in terms of the staff that are working on the adaptations. I can't possibly see how you can draw such a broad conclusion about the majority of anime unless you've personally seen the majority of anime ever produced.
In general, there's a lot of sweeping generalizations in your argument. Your points certainly stand for a number of shows being produced but then, so what? Avoid bad shows, watch good shows.
The vast majority of anime is bad, just like the vast majority of work in any medium. You need to examine each title on it's own merits and see what people say about it before committing your time to watching it and then you'll probably have a better experience.
Parakeetman
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That picture doesnt really prove all that much as those other examples were not brought up. Hell even the idiotic example from hyouka doesnt do much considering they go and pick a character that is obviously in a facial expression that isnt going to match. Keep trying though.
Just finished Greed Island and I am highly underwhelmed. THis show peaked in the initial Hunter Exam
I think this could work now actually with a lot of 20-somethings stuck watching kids shows, even if those shows do sometimes try and cater to them....
Jesus I wish they would.
Japan puts out a lot of crap. But there are a lot of gems in the rough.
And who cares if they are manga adaptions?
What is there stopping America adapting western comics in an animated series?
Fables cartoon?
Y the Last Man cartoon?
Preacher cartoon?
Sandman cartoon?
Who the hell wouldn't love this?
And even that was the Mortal Kombat kind of "mature"...
Oh yeah, the cartoon was kind of ass. But it was at least aimed at an older audience.
Chet Rippo
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Why did I see Aqua Teen Hunger Force mentioned in this thread?
People actually like that show?
People actually like that show?
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