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[Fresh Face]

He said there there are scenarios where the weaker machine can perform better than the machine with the higher specs.

I quoted it several times in this thread.

That sounds almost like what you said he didn't say.

He listed that as an example. He has even said that he knows it's not more powerful. Did you watch the interview? He said it there.

His statement is true. Software can often do things to make up for hardware shortcomings.

Again, he never said (and in fact stated the opposite) that the bone is more powerful.

 

[Freki]

Have there been games shown on both platforms with obvious differences?

I know this is the expected outcome, but I haven't heard of any concrete examples yet.

I don't know of multiplat games that have been shown on both actual platforms - only PCs with different controlers attached.

But did you read the first quote? He implies that there is secret sauce in the xbox one that'll make it better and that there are caveats with the PS4 that'll make it worse...

 

[BleachAndPepsi]

Release won't end it, you never seen how last gen started? It still continues strong for the first 3 or so years and it never ends just dies down a bit.

True, but it did slow down. At least it did at GameSpot, where I used to post in those days, until I got sick of the stupid "cow, sheep, lemming" crap they do there. That got old fast.

by the time the consoles come out i'll disappear until the next console gen again, and with random pop up during E3's.

I can see myself posting less once these things release, though not too much less. I'm addicted, I tells ya.

 

[jond76]

Durrant from Darkman

My names not "buddy". Its Durant. Robert G. Durant.

 

[xxracerxx]

Perhaps... because you want to see him like that? He's much more down to earth and honest than the other guys.

Like the post I quoted above said, he admitted they were wrong. He also did it in a much more down to earth way than the PR-screaming banshee of an announcement that was the famed 180 page on Xboxwire.

I am talking about being part of this community of users, not just posting in specific Xbox One threads. He definitely comes across as more down to earth but most of the other game-biz guys who post here at least post in other threads.

 

[alr1ght]

It's almost as if the project he was working on was a secret...

I didn't know the OT was secret or the millions of other threads here. That's the issue. He showed up here to do damage control and nothing more.

 

[unbias]

It's almost as if the project he was working on was a secret...

Huh? Just because he is working on a project doesn't mean he couldn't talk about things not related to that project. Hell, I doubt most people even cared who Albert was before the new consoles were announced.

 

[Pain]

He said there there are scenarios where the weaker machine outperforms the machine with the higher specs.

I quoted it several times in this thread.

That sounds almost like what you said he didn't say.


I'm not aware of any game that was both shown on PS4 and Xbone.

But be said it by using the 360 and the OG Xbox as examples. One was much easier to develop on than the competition and the other came out much later than the PS2 and was much more expensive.

Those scenarios are horrible examples when comparing these new consoles. The consoles have never been this similar.

 

[graywolf323]

It's almost as if the project he was working on was a secret...

I didn't realize he could only post about the project he's working on

he could have easily been posting about the 360 for the 5 years he had been registered

 

[Chobel]

What's deceptive about that? He says PS4 games don't look much if at all better than what we've seen from X1 so far. Most people would agree with that. Will that change? Who knows -- he thinks it won't. That's a prediction, not deception

Who did see the same game running on both console so they can compare? Nobody.

It's almost as if the project he was working on was a secret...

If only X360 existed that time.

 

[Whipped Spartan]

Thanks for being normal Albert P! Good interview. Also Adam Sessler is suppose to be Angry Joe with people now give me a break. He surfaced more talking points then most have in this conversation.

 

[benny_a]

Again, he never said (and in fact stated the opposite) that the bone is more powerful.

I think he insinuates something else here but I'll agree to disagree. No need to continue this on for longer.

Given the rumored specs for both systems, can anyone conceive of a circumstance or decision one platform holder could make, where despite the theoretical performance benchmarks of the components, the box that appears “weaker” could actually be more powerful?

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Just noticed that Albert's been registered since 2008, but only started posting just a couple months ago... Gotta say, this adds merit to the notion that he's here strictly for PR reasons and rehabbing the brand's image.

This is fun though.

Well its not like he can come on here and chop it up about games honestly when you consider his position

 

[NullPointer]

But did you read the first quote? He implies that there is secret sauce in the xbox one that'll make it better and that there are caveats with the PS4 that'll make it worse...

Yeah, I get why people might take issue with the first quote, although I still think its tame. Its the second one I see no reason to call deceptive.

I don't know enough about hardware and these bottlenecks to know one way or another whether there's a way to overcome what seems on paper to be a clear power deficit. But it does ultimately depend upon how that power is being used, but yeah, again, I don't know enough to have an informed opinion one way or another.

 

[Iacobellis]

But be said it by using the 360 and the OG Xbox as examples. One was much easier to develop on than the competition and the other came out much later than the PS2 and was much more expensive.

Those scenarios are horrible examples when comparing these new consoles. The consoles have never been this similar.

Original Xbox also had the power advantage over the PS2 and GameCube.

 

[xxracerxx]

Well its not like he can come on here and chop it up about games honestly when you consider his position

And why not?

 

[Satchel]

Marketing

And never started posting until 5/22, one day after the Bone's reveal when shit was hitting the fan.

Or after he was allowed to talk about it.

But be sure to keep the tinfoil on.

 

[Apophis2036]

Albert getting makeup done for a video shoot. Hopefully that UI video!

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=e6b804155869c0f8&id=E6B804155869C0F8!2134&authkey=!AHQbRcdyAppdcFg

Lol, anyone notice he has a WiiU at home in the second pic at the bottom .

 

[TheD]

So the MS PR guy had what looks an awful lot like a meltdown in this thread.

Complete with the fallacy that because the PS2 and PS3 relied a lot on their odd and hard to program for CPUs for a lot of their power, the PS4 must also have a hard time using a lot of it's power, bar the fact that the PS4 has more power due to it having a GPU (which deals with embarrassingly parallel problems like graphics) that is the same microarchitecture, just with more ALUs and ROPs and thus nothing has to be done on the programmers end to take advantage of that in graphical loads (due to said embarrassingly parallel nature).

 

[digoutyoursoul]

My names not "buddy". Its Durant. Robert G. Durant.

That was the scene I was thinking of when posting too!

 

[Fresh Face]

I think he insinuates something else here but I'll agree to disagree. No need to continue this on for longer.

Sure. I guess you could PM him if you want to know for sure. If he really does think it's more powerful, I'm sure he'll tell you as much. Either that or he wont answer directly.

 

[Verendus]

It's almost as if the project he was working on was a secret...

He's been giving GAF user data to the NSA?

 

[RedNumberFive]

Thanks for being normal Albert P! Good interview. Also Adam Sessler is suppose to be Angry Joe with people now give me a break. He surfaced more talking points then most have in this conversation.

Mr. Penello, your console seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are you so popular?

 

[benny_a]

Sure. I guess you could PM him if you want to know for sure. If he really does think it's more powerful, I'm sure he'll tell you as much. Either that or he wont answer directly.

He won't answer directly. What do you think I've been referring to when I said I asked him several times?

It's as if you're not reading the posts from other people. And it isn't just me he won't answer to, other posters also asked him what was meant and they were also ignored. So either I'm not the only one on ignore or he doesn't like the questions.

 

[Uno Venova]

Or after he was allowed to talk about it.

But be sure to keep the tinfoil on.

Exactly, after he as allowed to talk about the console he came here just to respond to the negative reception over the forum.

 

[vpance]

You seem to act like he said "The Xbox One is more powerful cus we know software better." He did not. We call that a straw man.

I didn't say he said they were more powerful. But he clearly implied because of DirectX and their great s/w knowledge, it's inherently impossible for them to have a big difference in performance, tangible hardware specs be damned. Read it again.

People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard API’s that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their HW skills, do you really think we don’t know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way we’re giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony.

CREATED DirectX --> We know graphics --> There's no 30%+ advantage

 

[artist]

I didn't know the OT was secret or the millions of other threads here. That's the issue. He showed up here to do damage control and nothing more.

I dont know what's more bad - the PC excuse in the OT or the cynical/tinfoil-hat excuse in this thread ..

 

[imtehman]

So the MS PR guy had what looks an awful lot like a meltdown in this thread.

Complete with the fallacy that because the PS2 and PS3 relied a lot on their odd and hard to program for CPUs, the PS4 must be the same, bar the fact that the PS4 has more power due to it having a GPU (which deals with embarrassingly parallel problems like graphics) that is the same microarchitecture, just with more ALUs and ROPs and thus nothing has to be done on the programmers end to take advantage of that in graphical loads (due to said embarrassingly parallel nature).

that isn't what he said at all mah dude. reread it again

 

[alr1ght]

Or after he was allowed to talk about it.

But be sure to keep the tinfoil on.

The entire point is that he is here only to play PR manager for Microsoft, not to participate on gaf as a whole. Seeing as he has only posted about the bone, that's what he's doing. That's it.

 

[Fresh Face]

I am talking about being part of this community of users, not just posting in specific Xbox One threads. He definitely comes across as more down to earth but most of the other game-biz guys who post here at least post in other threads.

So?

I usually only post in PC and XBox threads and certain ones of certain games I like. Otherwise, I don't post at all. Is that mysterious?

He's a busy man, and this is something he cares about. Why is it so mysterious that he doesn't go elsewhere?

CBOAT posted primarily (almost exclusively) in Xbox or Xbox-related threads because that's what he knows.

 

[NoirVisage]

Because it is...

kill that noise, you're one of the worst hypocrites on here when it comes to your "sensitivity" to people having something negative to say about anything MS.

Or after he was allowed to talk about it.

But be sure to keep the tinfoil on.

so he couldn't post on GAF at all, unless he was talking about Xboxone?
..sure.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

He listed that as an example. He has even said that he knows it's not more powerful. Did you watch the interview? He said it there.

His statement is true. Software can often do things to make up for hardware shortcomings.

Again, he never said (and in fact stated the opposite) that the bone is more powerful.

No, but what he essentially said was "We're good at software so we'll figure out ways to close the gap." without offering anything concrete.

He may as well have said "It'll be close. Believe."

 

[Satchel]

Exactly, after he as allowed to talk about the console he came here just to respond to the negative reception over the forum.

He would have been here regardless post 21 May. That's when he was allowed to talk about it. The fact that there was backlash is coincidental.

My point was that people relating his join date, posting time and the Bone backlash are misguided and looking for smoke where there's no fire.

 

[imtehman]

The entire point is that he is here only to play PR manager for Microsoft, not to participate on gaf as a whole. Seeing as he has only posted about the bone, that's what he's doing. That's it.

It's possible that there are some things he say that are PR and there are other things he say that are his opinion.

 

[unbias]

So?

I usually only post in PC and XBox threads and certain ones of certain games I like. Otherwise, I don't post at all. Is that mysterious?

He's a busy man, and this is something he cares about. Why is it so mysterious that he doesn't go elsewhere?

CBOAT posted primarily (almost exclusively) in Xbox or Xbox-related threads because that's what he knows.

It's not mysterious or surprising. The only reason it became a talking point is because there are people trying to make it out that after the consoles were announced, that he coincidentally had the desire to become a part of the community. I would say most of the flak he is getting on this end, has a lot more to do with the people trying to defend him(in a way) by saying he isn't trying to "sell" a brand in some form.

 

[Satchel]

The entire point is that he is here only to play PR manager for Microsoft, not to participate on gaf as a whole. Seeing as he has only posted about the bone, that's what he's doing. That's it.

But do you believe he WOULDNT be posting if the reception was mostly positive?

 

[RedNumberFive]

It's possible that there are some things he say that are PR and there are other things he say that are his opinion.

We're living in a post Sweet Billy world. I'm fairly certain that what he posts is by committee.

 

[Chobel]

He's been giving GAF user data to the NSA?

LMAO

 

[TheD]

that isn't what he said at all mah dude. reread it again

Sony claims more power, they did it with Cell, they did it with Emotion Engine, and they are doing it again. And, in the end, games on our system looked the same or better.

That sounds like it to me.

 

[graywolf323]

So?

I usually only post in PC and XBox threads and certain ones of certain games I like. Otherwise, I don't post at all. Is that mysterious?

He's a busy man, and this is something he cares about. Why is it so mysterious that he doesn't go elsewhere?

CBOAT posted primarily (almost exclusively) in Xbox or Xbox-related threads because that's what he knows.

I wouldn't be surprised if CBOAT does post on GAF using another account for normal stuff

to use him to defend Albert is just grasping at straws since the entire purpose of the CBOAT account is to hide his identity since he's leaking stuff to us

 

[benny_a]

We're living in a post Sweet Billy world. I'm fairly certain that what he posts is by committee.

I doubt that very much. That random CAPSLOCK post didn't seem like a post that was decided on by a group of people.

 

[Whipped Spartan]

Tin foil hat conversation is BS. This is a public forum. So now a guy who works for MS can't come in and talk directly to his customers on GAF? Give it a break. There is no reason people can't come and explain themselves on GAF. If you don't like the conversation stay out of MS oriented threads.

If Cerny came on GAF and shit talked MS no one would worry at all.

Albert has been respectful of the community on GAF and added clarity to an unclear situation time and time again.

 

[jockstrap74]

Now, see, this is a dickish post. Absolutely no need, and adds nothing whatsoever to the discussion.

I know but its late and I had nothing more constructive to add, mainly because Alberts post had already been disected to shit, so thought a bit of good old fashioned humour was needed.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

And why not?

So Albert can come on here and post in the Dead Space 3 LTTP thread and say "I agree, Dead Space 3 was a letdown and I don't think EA should continue the franchise"?

 

[jond76]

That was the scene I was thinking of when posting too!

I was actually laughing as I wrote it. Haha.

 

[Chobel]

So Albert can come on here and post in the Dead Space 3 LTTP thread and say "I agree, Dead Space 3 was a letdown and I don't think EA should continue the franchise"?

You know there is Off-topic section, X360 threads...

 

[El_Chino]

Tin foil hat conversation is BS. This is a public forum. So now a guy who works for MS can't come in and talk directly to his customers on GAF? Give it a break. There is no reason people can't come and explain themselves on GAF. If you don't like the conversation stay out of MS oriented threads.

If Cerny came on GAF and shit talked MS no one would worry at all.

Albert has been respectful of the community on GAF and added clarity to an unclear situation time and time again.

Agreed.

 

[CambriaRising]

He would have been here regardless post 21 May. That's when he was allowed to talk about it. The fact that there was backlash is coincidental.

My point was that people relating his join date, posting time and the Bone backlash are misguided and looking for smoke where there's no fire.

It is coincidental that his first post on this forum is damage control about not showing games at the may 21st reveal?

So Albert can come on here and post in the Dead Space 3 LTTP thread and say "I agree, Dead Space 3 was a letdown and I don't think EA should continue the franchise"?

Why not?

 

[alr1ght]

But do you believe he WOULDNT be posting if the reception was mostly positive?

Maybe he would be posting I don't know? I do know that they have been trying to turn the tide of their momentum by using social networking and messageboard posters. Like Major Nelson, I will never expect anything from him not run through the PR machine beforehand.

If Reggie came here and tried to act like a gaffer and started saying, "play the game" he would be laughed out of here.

 

[The Flash]

It's not mysterious or surprising. The only reason it became a talking point is because there are people trying to make it out that after the consoles were announced, that he coincidentally had the desire to become a part of the community. I would say most of the flak he is getting on this end, has a lot more to do with the people trying to defend him(in a way) by saying he isn't trying to "sell" a brand in some form.

I don't think he's naïve enough to believe that he'll be able to sell Gaf anything. We've pretty much all made up our minds on which consoles we are getting and the likelihood of him saying anything profound enough to convince a good number of people here to buy an Xbox One is extremely unlikely. He knows that, we know that. I think he's just here to clarify things every now and then and give his two cents on stuff.