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Introvert/Lonely GAF: Your Love Solution Is Here, and It Is...

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Shiv47

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Real Dolls, or other similar artificial woman/man. Davecat, well-known Doll-lover and frequent evangelist of everything Doll-related, was featured in a lengthy interview on the Atlantic Monthly's web site a couple days ago. There's much more at the link, but here are some excerpts (the interviewer's questions are the only bolded areas):

Obviously, I’m sexually attracted to synthetic humans, such as Gynoids and Dolls, but the much larger part of their appeal is that they're humans, but they don't possess any of the unpleasant qualities that organic, flesh and blood humans have. A synthetic will never lie to you, cheat on you, criticize you, or be otherwise disagreeable. It’s rare enough to find organics who don't have something going on with them, and being able to make a partner of one is rarer still...

In your episode of My Strange Addiction, you talk about how you're perfectly aware she's a doll, and you're not trying to pretend she's a person. Yet you consider yourself married to Sidore, a marriage/relationship being something that is inherently two-sided. How do you reconcile those two things in your head at once?

Both Sidore and Elena have two backstories. One in which Sidore is the daughter of a Japanese father and an English mother, and was born in Japan and raised in Manchester, England. Elena's is similar; she grew up in Vladivostok, Russia. The other backstory they have is that they're Dolls. Self-aware Dolls, but Dolls nonetheless. In one backstory they have favorite foods; in the other, they don't eat, becaus they don't have digestive tracts... because they're Dolls. You get the idea.

I've had that dichotomy for as long as I've had Shi-chan and Lenka, and it doesn't seem to be going away any time soon. As I write their characters, they each express themselves through the Internet; they both have their own Twitter feeds, and Shi-chan has a Tumblr. Playing up the Doll aspect allows me to get comedy from the situation, such as when Sidore wonders why I don't just remove my sinuses when my allergies flare up, but writing detailed histories for them exercises my creative writing skills, and makes them more 'human'. Like I said, the dichotomy probably won't be solved any time soon...

But you say you've been in relationships with organic women "prior to and after having Shi-chan enter my life." Is there a story there? Did a relationship/affair you were having with an organic woman cause problems with your relationship with Sidore or vice versa?

...Then there was the lass I bought a house with back in 2003. I was attempting to help her out of a bad relationship. She claimed to be one of my best friends. She wasn't the least bit romantically interested in me, but I thought that if I helped her and she and I lived under the same roof, eventually she'd view me more favorably. Turns out that didn't happen, as I later discovered that she was a pathological liar with a coke addiction, and I moved out of the house after living there for only four months. That really drove home to me that I guess I'm too trusting with some organics. Some of them can be far too unpredictable. Synthetics have a consistency that I'm thankful for...

...Now the important thing to remember is that Gynoids and androids are like organic humans, but they would lack the qualities that make organics difficult to deal with. They would be pleasant, agreeable, non-judgmental, aesthetically and mentally pleasing, and more. In day-to-day existence, most people have to deal with at least one person whom they'd rather avoid at all costs. The way I see things, your spouse should be easygoing and a joy to come home to, in order to counteract having to deal with all manner of undesirables when you're out and about. I think the best way to reach that goal is through humanoid robots. It's like having your cake, and eating it too...

...I don't just consider myself an advocate for synthetic love, but for treating synthetic humans with as much respect, if not more, than organic humans. Referring to a synthetic as a “thing,” or a Doll as a “sex toy,” is demeaning and unimaginative...

Apart from technosexuals and childfree people, one group of individuals who would be well-suited for synthetic partners are introverts. This is why I always stress the difference between loneliness and being alone; many of us introverts actually prefer to be alone, as the noise and agitation of being around others can be incredibly draining. But being lonely—that is, the state of not having a special someone who you can occasionally be alone with—is something no one should have to endure. Having a synthetic in your life means that you can interact with them whenever you want to, and when you want to do something that requires solitude, you can have that as well, without being made to feel guilty about it...

Also, I have to ask—do you really feel fulfilled? Does it ever get lonely, is there anything that Sidore and Elena can't offer that you wish you had?

At this stage in the game, I'd have to say that I'm about 99 percent fulfilled. Every time I return home, there are two gorgeous synthetic women waiting for me, who both act as creative muses, photo models, and romantic partners. They make my flat less empty, and I never have to worry about them becoming disagreeable. Because of my status as an iDollator, I've met people across several countries and forged solid friendships. I've seen things I would never have seen were I not an iDollator. I've been interviewed for various television programs and websites, and asked to speak in front of a room full of psychology students about the benefits of synthetic partners. I've collaborated with performance artists and sociology teachers. To this day, I still get people contacting me online, saying that they saw how happy I am with Sidore, and they're saving up for a Doll of their own, to pull them out of their own loneliness. It's true that Sidore and Elena wouldn't exist without me, but without them, I'd be a much more reduced individual, so I owe them quite a lot.

However, that 1 percent of unfulfillment? That's only there because neither Sidore nor Elena are Gynoids. Once that technology becomes affordable, I'll have one made in my wife's likeness, and that'll be the final piece of the puzzle. She'd be able to hug me back whenever I embrace her, we'd be able to attend films and concerts together, and do all manner of things besides. There would be genuine interaction. The foundation for the technology is already there, so I'm convinced it'll happen; it's just a matter of waiting.
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Pau

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Why bother having a gross, real woman with her own thoughts and feelings when you can have a fake one that will never disagree with you?
 
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maomaoIYP

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For those who don't know who Davecat is, here's the documentary where he's featured in (and thus his rise to internet stardom). There's doll nudity so it's NSFW.
Guys and Dolls
Just my 2 cents, it's very clear that the dolls have greatly increased the standards of some of their lives tremendously (including Davecat's), so do watch this documentary before you say how they're weirdos or what not.
 
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ixix

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For someone from Michigan he uses a lot of British English terms.

Wonder what the connection between that and his inanimate wife's backstory is.
 
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Shiv47

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vicissitudes said:
Pretty sure this is super old and there was a documentary on this and DaveCat was actually in that documentary as well.
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That documentary is old, but this interview was just published a couple days ago.

The introvert thing really puts me off, because I fall very heavily on the introvert side, yet I'd never willingly decide that a doll was my best option for "companionship." You may as well get a cat or a dog, they'll at least interact with you. That said, the guys who do use them and get something out of them they can't otherwise get, fair enough.
 
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Bomber Bob

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Majima Everywhere System

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IceCold said:
There's a difference between being an introvert and being a loser who dwells in his basement with a neck beard and a fedora hat.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/13/famous-introverts_n_3733400.html
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This is sort of like cats. If you say your cat is awesome and the best because of _______, then blank always ends up being some trait that is typical of dogs (and atypical of cats). This is coming from a cat owner who was blessed to have a doggish cat.

Bunch of introverts that got themselves known and loved by embracing their extrovert at times.
 
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Vermillion

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You really have no idea what introvert means, do you?

Pau said:
Why bother having a gross, real woman with her own thoughts and feelings when you can have a fake one that will never disagree with you?
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In his defense, he did say woman/man.
 
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IceCold

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Class_A_Ninja said:
This is sort of like cats. If you say your cat is awesome and the best because of _______, then blank always ends up being some trait that is typical of dogs (and atypical of cats). This is coming from a cat owner who was blessed to have a doggish cat.

Bunch of introverts that got themselves known and loved by embracing their extrovert at times.
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Being introverted doesn't mean you are shy or unable to talk to the opposite sex though. It just means you value alone time more. You prefer chilling at home watching a movie over going clubbing for example. So you can have great social skills, be successful at live and still be introverted.

But this isn't a binary anyways. No one is 100% of one or the other.
 
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Shiv47

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Astral said:
That title is pretty damn insulting.
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My thread title? LOL, I was just using the quote in the article as a prompt. Not sure how many people actually believe that introverts need plastic women...beyond Davecat and other doll fetishists.
 
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SolidusDave

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Pau said:
Why bother having a gross, real woman with her own thoughts and feelings when you can have a fake one that will never disagree with you?
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Well that's how it always was in the good old days before we let you ladies vote and stuff.


never got this doll thing. You get zero feedback. It's like those poor frogs humping any object they think could be female.
You need to be quite special to like that, but not the introvert kind of special.


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I was attempting to help her out of a bad relationship. She claimed to be one of my best friends. She wasn't the least bit romantically interested in me, but I thought that if I helped her and she and I lived under the same roof, eventually she'd view me more favorably. Turns out that didn't happen
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You don't say...

(this is btw the worst kind of nice guy, the one that expects sex in return from the start)
 
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JBourne

maybe tomorrow it rains
Sol.. said:
Gimmie the resources, and I can build a robot to deliver to sweatiest farts you ever felt on your face. I'm talkin' bout dem Serena Williams farts. Butt cheeks clapping in the wind.
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I'm thinking something like e-cig flavors. Give me a girl who can fart and it smells like bacon and eggs, or maple syrup.


My gf and I don't fart around each other. We've been together over a year, and currently live together. Right now it's all hearts and flowers, but I know that the day I hear her cut a nasty fart and it creeps in my nose, a little bit of love I have for her is going to die.
 
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Class_A_Ninja said:
This is sort of like cats. If you say your cat is awesome and the best because of _______, then blank always ends up being some trait that is typical of dogs (and atypical of cats). This is coming from a cat owner who was blessed to have a doggish cat.

Bunch of introverts that got themselves known and loved by embracing their extrovert at times.
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I'm sure a lot of people consider their cats awesome and the best because they aren't exceedingly noisy, don't jump up on people and smell their butts, don't chew up shoes, etc.

In fact it stands to reason that a lot of people are going to consider their dogs awesome and the best because of cat ("introvert") qualities. He doesn't bark all the time, he doesn't freak out and jump all over anybody new, he's generally very laid back and chill...
 
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Log4Girlz

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I want one of them fake girls who can't disagree with me...and doesn't have their own thoughts and feelings...that's gross.
 
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wsoxfan1214

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Pau said:
Why bother having a gross, real woman with her own thoughts and feelings when you can have a fake one that will never disagree with you?
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Lol. My thoughts exactly. This entire thing comes off as weird and just... Satire?

Log4Girlz said:
I want one of them fake girls who can't disagree with me...and doesn't have their own thoughts and feelings...that's gross.
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...did you just take the one I quoted and rearrange it?
 
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When/if these "gynoids" become a thing it's going to be a serious problem, even if they don't act/look completely real; the human imagination is a powerful thing capable of filling in minor shortcomings.

Imagine a world where the vast majority of the middle/upper class doesn't bother with pursuing traditional relationships and starting famalies because they become satisfied with synthetic partners, both emotionally and sexually. I don't see it happening in my life time, but 2-300 years from now? Absolutely. Pretty scary when you think about the ripple effects it would have on our way of life.
 
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Fireblend

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NaughtyCalibur said:
When/if these "gynoids" become a thing it's going to be a serious problem, even if they don't act/look completely real; the human imagination is a powerful thing capable of filling in minor shortcomings.

Imagine a world where the vast majority of the middle/upper class doesn't bother with pursuing traditional relationships and starting famalies because they become satisfied with synthetic partners, both emotionally and sexually. I don't see it happening in my life time, but 2-300 years from now? Absolutely. Pretty scary when you think about the ripple effects it would have on our way of life.
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In 2-300 so many technological advancements will shift the way we live so profoundly that it's pointless to try and make hypothetical arguments like that. I'd be pretty disappointed if in say ~60 years I can't upload my brain somewhere.
 
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hey_it's_that_dog

benevolent sexism
NaughtyCalibur said:
When/if these "gynoids" become a thing it's going to be a serious problem, even if they don't act/look completely real; the human imagination is a powerful thing capable of filling in minor shortcomings.

Imagine a world where the vast majority of the middle/upper class doesn't bother with pursuing traditional relationships and starting famalies because they become satisfied with synthetic partners, both emotionally and sexually. I don't see it happening in my life time, but 2-300 years from now? Absolutely. Pretty scary when you think about the ripple effects it would have on our way of life.
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Episode 3x15 of Futurama.
 
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SquiddyCracker

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NaughtyCalibur said:
When/if these "gynoids" become a thing it's going to be a serious problem, even if they don't act/look completely real; the human imagination is a powerful thing capable of filling in minor shortcomings.

Imagine a world where the vast majority of the middle/upper class doesn't bother with pursuing traditional relationships and starting famalies because they become satisfied with synthetic partners, both emotionally and sexually. I don't see it happening in my life time, but 2-300 years from now? Absolutely. Pretty scary when you think about the ripple effects it would have on our way of life.
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Hopefully we'll have artificial wombs and the ability to grow new citizens in batches.
That would take care of any population size issues.
 
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Ratrat

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Pau said:
Why bother having a gross, real woman with her own thoughts and feelings when you can have a fake one that will never disagree with you?
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I remember seeing a documentary where a guy was in a commited relationship AND had a collection of real dolls.

Basically it's part of a fetish and not just men/women who can't get with anyone. These things are actually very expensive and a pain to maintain.

Or these guys just hate women.
 
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