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Microsoft respond to the EDGE article
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Sorry, looks like I need to mark my posts as sarcasm.
I assume the pics posted are from gameplay, since they are obviously not as good as the CG video posted initially
You can clearly see the polygons etc in the pics, which could mean they are in game
Of course, as i said already, could be promotional fake pics, like the initial Deep Down video
We will see, if they are for real though, they seem spectacular to me
I always refer to the pics posted, i never mentioned any gameplay video
http://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Fable-Legends-3.jpg
3rdamention
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I have been around for many console launches. I imported a Japanese MegaDrive and Super Famicom over 20 years ago. This isn't my first rodeo.
Most of you people are shortsighted and blinded. No console in history has had the kind of advantage that we are talking about here for Sony.
This is the third console launch where Sony is making outlandish claims of superiority that then do not pan out. If something is repeated enough times, does that make it true? Many "hardcore" gamers seem to be gladly gulping the Kool-Aid.
IF PS4 games are indeed miles beyond X1 games, then Sony has managed something that no other company in our history has accomplished.
IF the gap was as large as is claimed, one Sony commercial showing the difference in frame rate and detail between PS4 and X1 could win the generation. IF the gap was as large as they claim, the launch titles (multiplatform and first-party) would bear out the superiority. Don't tell me that Microsoft has paid EA to cripple BF4 on PS4. That game in particular (since there already is a superior PC version) should be vastly superior on PS4 since it is supposedly so much more powerful and so much easier to develop for.
However, things are never this simple, and to assume that they are is the height of stupidity.
FYI: I am getting X1 at US launch and then a PS4 when it launches in Japan in February. I prefer the Xbox eco system, UI etc., so that will be my main console most likely.
Most of you people are shortsighted and blinded. No console in history has had the kind of advantage that we are talking about here for Sony.
This is the third console launch where Sony is making outlandish claims of superiority that then do not pan out. If something is repeated enough times, does that make it true? Many "hardcore" gamers seem to be gladly gulping the Kool-Aid.
IF PS4 games are indeed miles beyond X1 games, then Sony has managed something that no other company in our history has accomplished.
IF the gap was as large as is claimed, one Sony commercial showing the difference in frame rate and detail between PS4 and X1 could win the generation. IF the gap was as large as they claim, the launch titles (multiplatform and first-party) would bear out the superiority. Don't tell me that Microsoft has paid EA to cripple BF4 on PS4. That game in particular (since there already is a superior PC version) should be vastly superior on PS4 since it is supposedly so much more powerful and so much easier to develop for.
However, things are never this simple, and to assume that they are is the height of stupidity.
FYI: I am getting X1 at US launch and then a PS4 when it launches in Japan in February. I prefer the Xbox eco system, UI etc., so that will be my main console most likely.
FeiRR
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You're right, I edited. The power figure is an estimate anyway and prices will differ in various countries.
Nightengale
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That's cute, considering the only claim Sony ever made was 'most powerful console.' (same claim XB1 had for the Day One achievement)
Nothing else. No numbers, no Toy Story graphics, no percentages, no direct comparison with competitors, only saying 10x more than the PS3's performance.
I wonder where you're seeing these claims? Did you have a drunk night out with Jack Tretton or something? He's about the only exec left in the SCE top-hierarchy who has no issue making outlandish claims with a straight face.
Cthulhu_Steev
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Hydrargyrus
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MS sounds like there is nothing they could say to make XBO more attractive... so:
travisbickle
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Can you link to the footage of the Xbox one version of BF4 you've been able to see.
This statement is rather humorous considering I've hardly seen Sony themselves dwell on the hardware specs' superiority. You're mixing up forum discussion with official statements.
And the rest gets even worse with this hyperbole regarding the claims of power disparity. We've got pages of people saying "there won't be much difference at launch" and plenty of folks readily saying the power difference will mostly come down to resolution, maybe other aspects. Then you've got middle-of-the-road folks like myself who don't really buy into any specific narrative just yet.
But please, continue with the broad strokes, because you see a few people making big claims and feel the need to apply that to the whole group.
Nightengale
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Shhh, he's such a badass with over 20 years of console launch experience. How can we doubt someone so based?
He obviously sees what we cannot see, and hears what we haven't heard.
Opinions, we all have them...
Ryse cinematic vs KZSF Gameplay ?
Next time compare both games with real gameplay sequences
Whaaat, Timlot got banned AGAIN.
ConteZero76
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OT: I'm the only one crying for that roman-legion-meets-gundam armor ?
That's a roman armor:
Ok, sorry for the OT.
B-B-Bomba!
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butthurt.jpg
IDK if there is a butthurt.jpg, but I'm sure imagining one reading this reply from MS.
IDK if there is a butthurt.jpg, but I'm sure imagining one reading this reply from MS.
Nightengale
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Personally, I'm most bothered by the shield. At least Gundam elf-armor still looks fantasy-medieval despite all the crazy-sharp edges, but that shield looks almost science-fiction.
God, that is one over-designed shield. It literally does look like it could belong to Sauron or a Gundam.
ConteZero76
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Personally, I'm most bothered by the shield. At least Gundam elf-armor still looks fantasy-medieval despite all the crazy-sharp edges, but that shield looks almost science-fiction.
God, that is one over-designed shield. It literally does look like it could belong to Sauron or a Gundam.
That, and it's way too small...
They're trying to tell us that you can do a testudo with that ?
not everybody buys a console based on graphics. The will has proved that.
I know the ps4 is going to be the stronger of the two but I'm still getting an xbone bc I prefer xbox live vs the crap that is psn. Also all my friends are getting an xbone. They don't care if ps4 is a bit stronger then the xbox. A lot of people are going to be making their choice based on things like this not bc one system is stronger.
This console generation will only be 5 years long anyhow
I know the ps4 is going to be the stronger of the two but I'm still getting an xbone bc I prefer xbox live vs the crap that is psn. Also all my friends are getting an xbone. They don't care if ps4 is a bit stronger then the xbox. A lot of people are going to be making their choice based on things like this not bc one system is stronger.
This console generation will only be 5 years long anyhow
Which controller?
That's a huge maybe. Lots of folks saying it's gonna be another long one, IIRC even Carmack said as much.
Dat spin, i guess they had to respond in some way. I think its pretty clear on paper now and from dev talk that xbox one is second in the power stakes, they need to show why they went the kinect route as that had taken money away from the main machine costs. Show us why its more than a bit better kinect one as i had no use for that and if all it is is a bit better ill have no use for this new one either.
So... PC gamers advocate animal cruelty?
BrokenEchelon
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1) By that logic, Wii U has this upcoming generation in the bag.
2) No it won't. The five year cycle is over. R&D costs too much, it takes too much effort, time and money to rebuild marketshare. This upcoming generation will last another seven to ten years, or long enough for all content to go digital/streaming via smart tvs and and set top boxes.
Like you would say anything else.
Xbox One
and BOOM there goes your credibility
Rock Gotti
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Shit just got real.
To hardcore gamers of course. To the average joe public, it wont matter so much. Thats where the money is.
Still getting a PS4 regardless, but it is fun to watch the PR sparring.
To hardcore gamers of course. To the average joe public, it wont matter so much. Thats where the money is.
Still getting a PS4 regardless, but it is fun to watch the PR sparring.
Some people are wondering why MS reps brought up the power differential back into the conversation in the first place.
Pot, meet kettle...
Thanks for the clarification... Seems there's mixed opinions over the Xbone controller. Dunno what to make of it, though I am left wondering why they didn't just chuck the new d-pad on the 360 controller to achieve perfection in the simplest manner possible. But I'll leave my personal judgements until I actually try the damn thing, heh.
NullPointer
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Nightengale
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Who do you think contributed to this mess of a situation in the first place?
The guy who's been keeping mum, or the guy who's been throwing around credentials, percentages, numbers, comparisons, and historical data?
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
There is nothing MS can do here to make people happy.
They started by saying let the games do the talking, some folk weren't happy.
Then they gave their interpretation of why there wouldn't be a 50% power gap and revealed that they had confirmed this with devs some folk called them liars.
They are back to saying let the games do the talking and some folk aren't happy again.
This is not true. The only people who weren't happy about this were Microsoft themselves. Assuming they didn't like the fact that PS4's hardware advantages were being repeated forum wide unchallenged, and obviously this affects the Xbox One's image and potential sales, so they stepped in for damage control. It's little more than that, and if they'd just stayed out of it or not provided fluffed numbers and conclusions, I doubt it would have become the fun fare it has become.
Microsoft just made it worse for themselves if anything.
I disagree, I think the Xbone controller feels great. Top bumper positioning is a little off in terms of accidental hits, but overall I like it fine.
If they started by saying let the games do the talking, why are they still talking?
Nightengale
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It's the same for Sony too. Remember the outrage post-Gamescom? WHERE ARE THE AAA GAMES? I DON'T WANT YOUR INDIESHIT, BLOW YOUR LOAD SONY.
What did they do? They ignored it. They didn't throw a bone to us or try to pour fuel to fires that they weren't going to walk on at the moment.
Albert literally poured fuel on fire the moment he started dragging out the spec-comparisons, and if he was prepared to clarify everything at that point of time, then fine. But nope, there were notable inconsistencies, double-standards, and some fudging of the specs he tried to present, and despite being the one to lay them out, he backed off once stuff got too technical, and is going to leave it to his technical guys.
If you weren't qualified or in-the-know of everything enough to talk about it in the first place, don't talk about it.
As far as I'm concerned, Penello may indeed prove his stance and that XB1 is not much weaker than PS4. However, he has done nothing but handle the matter poorly. Even if he proves it a few weeks from now, the damage is done. And even then, since it's likely he cannot provide details on Sony's actual hardware and SDK, everything he proves will only be from their own perspective.
Sometimes the only winning move is to not play.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
I'm not saying MS haven't handled it poorly I'm saying there is no way they could have handled it that would have satisfied. Not if they wanted to challenge the 50% claim.
Bingo.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
I don't remember any outrage whatsoever about anything Sony has done regarding the PS4 since February. There has been nothing to be outraged about. Some people weren't too happy about paying for online but it quickly blew over.
They could have given an actual reason why the console is worth $100 more and kinect is required. They haven't been able to do that which is why people aren't satisfied, so you are correct. There's nothing they can do to satisfy me.
Nightengale
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Not satisfying GAF is one thing. Making it worse is another.
Meh, I just hate GAF during that post-Gamescom period so probably I was imagining it being worse than it was.
The whole 'indie shit' nonsense that came out after Gamescom was nothing short of ugly and pathetic.
blitzcloud
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I am deeply impressed with Fable Legends graphics, so i tend to believe they do have some aces up their sleeve, no matter the raw hardware spec numbers
TBH i find Legends graphics far more detailed and spectacular than the new Deep Down pics (that is, if those graphics do get to be that way and were not promotional fakes like the initial Deep Down video)
you're kidding. The polygon count on those creatures is really not that good. You can see angles in the shoulders... it's on par with some current gen stuff.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
That's off topic, but the world doesn't work like that. I personally feel the PS4 is cheap rather than the XB1 is expensive.
Why does an iPad mini cost more than the much better specced Nexus 7?
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Look at the Resogun threads for example. Nothing but praise and deservedly so. I think everyone would have preferred another couple of AAA games announced but I felt the vast majority understood what Sony's plan was.
Not that there wasn't the odd person just trolling Indies.
AdmiralPain
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Absolutely correct.
Folks get way too hung up on percentage differences, like whether it's 20, 30, 40, or 50%, and end up having this notion that at some arbitrary percentage point, the power difference somehow becomes "significant." Really, folks are blowing the numbers out of proportion and getting too hung up on specific numbers.
To illustrate this point, let's compare some PC GPUs that actually have a significant gap in performance, where there would be a huge leap in resolution, IQ, and fidelity between them. For this example, take the fairly pitiful HD7670, with a meager 768 GFLOPS, and compare it to the comparatively monstrous HD7990, still today a beast of a card with a whopping 3891x2 GFLOPS under its belt.
This represents a truly massive power differential. This is where you'd expect to drop resolution, IQ, fidelity, everything just to get a decent framerate on the weaker hardware. And it makes sense - in this case, there is a 1013% difference in GFLOP capability between the cards. That's a level of difference where you can expect to see something that arguably looks like a generational leap, something that looks like Xbox vs. PS2, maybe more.
Now look back at the Xbone vs. PS4. 50%, what does that amount to again? What does 20, 30, 40% actually result in? Probably not as much as folks have in their minds. Yeah, it's a difference; yeah, first party titles will show the difference when they fully exploit each system's power. But multiplats? If there's a difference, don't get yourself worked up into believing it's going to be this huge gulf. Some parts could get trimmed down going from PS4 to Xbone, sure, but getting all worked up over how much will actually come of a ~50% or less difference starts to get silly.
Just a general observation I'm throwing out there, take it for what y'all will.
To illustrate this point, let's compare some PC GPUs that actually have a significant gap in performance, where there would be a huge leap in resolution, IQ, and fidelity between them. For this example, take the fairly pitiful HD7670, with a meager 768 GFLOPS, and compare it to the comparatively monstrous HD7990, still today a beast of a card with a whopping 3891x2 GFLOPS under its belt.
This represents a truly massive power differential. This is where you'd expect to drop resolution, IQ, fidelity, everything just to get a decent framerate on the weaker hardware. And it makes sense - in this case, there is a 1013% difference in GFLOP capability between the cards. That's a level of difference where you can expect to see something that arguably looks like a generational leap, something that looks like Xbox vs. PS2, maybe more.
Now look back at the Xbone vs. PS4. 50%, what does that amount to again? What does 20, 30, 40% actually result in? Probably not as much as folks have in their minds. Yeah, it's a difference; yeah, first party titles will show the difference when they fully exploit each system's power. But multiplats? If there's a difference, don't get yourself worked up into believing it's going to be this huge gulf. Some parts could get trimmed down going from PS4 to Xbone, sure, but getting all worked up over how much will actually come of a ~50% or less difference starts to get silly.
Just a general observation I'm throwing out there, take it for what y'all will.
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