I agree with you, but isn't the 3930K also only a hexacore? I'm agreeing with you, I'm just wondering what Ubisoft is promoting by basically recommending a consumer CPU that doesn't even really exist. Edit: I'm sorry if I'm not being clear, just pointing out that the 3930K they recommend isn't even a "latest 8-core CPU" as they also recommend.
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Watch Dogs PC specs (x64 only, Quad Core minimum, recommended 8-core and 2GB VRAM)
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Vanguardofyourdestruction
Banned
Phenom x4 955
Radeon 6850
8gb Ram
Dat min spec life
Radeon 6850
8gb Ram
Dat min spec life
Come on, man, you KNOW that's not true. The recommended CPU here would run between $250-300 at minimum plus a motherboard so you're likely looking at $350-400 (unless you find a killer CPU deal and settle for a dirt cheap motherboard which might drop you as low as $315-325 at absolute best). Then there's the GPU which, for a 560Ti, would only run you around $150-ish. So we can ballpark about $500 there.
Then you add in case, power supply, memory, and operating system. You can't buy ALL of that for $100. So the minimum would definitely run you more than $600 *AND* it would not provide a particularly good experience, I'd imagine, as you'd be seeing lots of unstable framerates in most modern games.
I mean, a 560ti even drops frames in stuff like Dirt 3, which is really not demanding at all. Most of the benchmarks indicate unstable framerates at 1920x1080 and even stuff like 1680x1050. For newer, more demanding games it's only going to get worse. Why would you drop $700 on a rig that won't be able to run games well at all a year from now? It's madness.
DemonCleaner
Member
yeah welcome to pc gaming.
why should they do cost intensive optimization with this market potential?
Jebus so many people in this thread have no idea how PC's work.
Let me be THAT GUY and make it as easy as possible.(If I sound like a douche sorry but some people man....some people...till I remember I was once one of the "some people" so here are a few quickies.)
Intel has Hyper-threading effectively this can be seen as having twice the amount of physical cores. So yeah any "new" intel cpu you only double the amount of cores and that is your value(post 2008).
Amd has more cores yes but if we get technical they are still subpar to intels and can be seen as "half-cores" but this isn't important just ignore it and see it as you have 8 cores.
So don't worry about a thing, because every little thing is gonna be all right.
So you all that have an older rig and worry about being able to play this I have a few tips. Start with disassembling and clean it, I mean do it right! no vaccuum cleaner, but remove the cooler, clean, apply new paste on both your CPU and GPU, clean the fans, clean your PSU, put it back together AND THEN start clocking it. This also applies if you have a laptop. Seriously! I hate laptop students that had their for a few years but NEVER ever cleaned it and then they complain when they can't play BF3 on low settings.
You see those people on such sites as TomsHardware/Hardwareheaveb/Overclockers? Some of them are actually brilliant, don't be afraid to ask for help there.
Worst thing that can happen is that you sound like an idiot but that is not such a big deal, everyone has a major hole in their knowledge.
So back to Bob Marley, stop worrying and just use google or ask for help.
Let me be THAT GUY and make it as easy as possible.(If I sound like a douche sorry but some people man....some people...till I remember I was once one of the "some people" so here are a few quickies.)
Intel has Hyper-threading effectively this can be seen as having twice the amount of physical cores. So yeah any "new" intel cpu you only double the amount of cores and that is your value(post 2008).
Amd has more cores yes but if we get technical they are still subpar to intels and can be seen as "half-cores" but this isn't important just ignore it and see it as you have 8 cores.
So don't worry about a thing, because every little thing is gonna be all right.
So you all that have an older rig and worry about being able to play this I have a few tips. Start with disassembling and clean it, I mean do it right! no vaccuum cleaner, but remove the cooler, clean, apply new paste on both your CPU and GPU, clean the fans, clean your PSU, put it back together AND THEN start clocking it. This also applies if you have a laptop. Seriously! I hate laptop students that had their for a few years but NEVER ever cleaned it and then they complain when they can't play BF3 on low settings.
You see those people on such sites as TomsHardware/Hardwareheaveb/Overclockers? Some of them are actually brilliant, don't be afraid to ask for help there.
Worst thing that can happen is that you sound like an idiot but that is not such a big deal, everyone has a major hole in their knowledge.
So back to Bob Marley, stop worrying and just use google or ask for help.
I'm not sure if you already know this but that doesn't mean you have 4GB of VRAM available.
cheezcake
Member
AMD FX-8350 - $200
MSI R7850 Twin Frozr - $155
Asrock 970 extreme 3 - $85
Coolermaster HAF 912 - $60
8gb RAM - $63
500W Power Supply - $40 (and thats a pretty bad dodgy power supply)
So that's $603 for your recommended spec (not including windows)
Old standards, like releasing on hardware the mass market owns
(Actually, quad penetration's probably fairly good now, isn't it?)
Well you could get the 8350 for about $25 cheaper.
The 7850 for almost $100 cheaper.
A slightly less expensive motherboard.
No CPU cooler, or if you did want one, a Hyper 212 for $30-35 cheaper.
And a non dodgy power supply for about $10 more.
Seems the main problem is people don't know how to shop around for prices here.
Not including Windows? Little too early to give it up.
My point still stands, though. That's an underpowered rig especially since you're using AMD parts and ignoring the OS. You can't play Watch Dogs in Linux.
1) that's a terrible machine you are listing
2) prices are higher in Europe
Why on earth would you drop $500 on a PC that can barely run new games?
See my post above.
I think you're way off base. It's a poorly spec'd machine listed in USD. A waste of money.
cheezcake
Member
yeh the 7850 was my typo already fixed it, knew it wasnt right when I took another look haha, that mobo though is pretty mucht the cheapest reliable one I saw on newegg and no CPU cooler was included in the price.
The denial of i5s not meeting the recommended specs and quadcore i7s not meeting the ultra specs is really strong in this thread. More and more newer games are optimized for 8 cores/threads (e.g. Crysis 3, BF4) and the trend is going to continue. The notions that "i7/hyperthreading is useless for gaming" and "AMD's 8-core CPUs aren't even as fast as my quadcore" really need to die.
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watch the "3 titans in my rig or some shit" guy give zero fucks!
ot: looks like it's time to go for a new CPU/GPU soon if this trends continues. i5 is trailing behind, welp.
ot: looks like it's time to go for a new CPU/GPU soon if this trends continues. i5 is trailing behind, welp.
cheezcake
Member
It's exactly the recommended specs for the game which was the point in question. The reason I didn't include a set price for Windows because (at least here in Australia) it's very very rare that you'll pay full RRP for windows, almost everyone can get it heavily discounted if not free through education or work
DeFiBkIlLeR
Banned
Be warned..a 970 Mobo is really not a good idea with an 8350 Piledriver, if you are going to overclock past 4Ghz, you really will need a decent 990 to avoid cooling and throttling issues.
We can shelve this argument until launch but my bet is that the performance will not be all that consistent or smooth on such a rig. We'll see soon enough.
prices in europe seem to be quite a bit higher than USD. It is always a little frustrating to be in the gaming PC thread and seeing the deals that are possible in the US. I usually mentally add about 50%
Its whats listed in the recommended category, so I don't know what you're talking about. Are you changing the goal posts now?
EDIT: I see that's been covered. Now you'd rather just stop talking about it since you were proven wrong.
impressive... so glad to see DX11 pushed as the baseline. With my current PC I could only play this on recommended, but I already decided to get it for PS4 so I'm good. Planning all-new PC for next year. Was tempted to build one this year, but I think the gains will be greater with next year's rollout since 2013 is seeing the launch of so many consoles, I think Intel/Nvidia/etc. made very lazy, safe releases this year since they knew their sales would be impacted by this. But next year will hopefully be a different story.
It doesn't, an i5 is still generally a much stronger CPU in most scenarios.
There's nothing really 'monster' about the specs, its just the strange CPU requirements.
ConteZero76
Member
i3 2.4GHz + 2x6950. Deal with it.
Wonder what's so great about this game to require all those TFlops.
G.D.E.
Wonder what's so great about this game to require all those TFlops.
G.D.E.
No, not that at all.
My point is simple: recommended requirements are bullshit and that machine you listed is underpowered.
The experience you will receive on the machine you spec'd out will not provide smooth, consistent gameplay without significant compromise in most modern games. The machine I use is significantly more powerful than what you've spec'd out and I'm running into plenty of issues already this year with achieving a perfect framerate.
THAT machine is way under powered and will not provide good performance for PC games going forward. It's a waste of money to spend that much on something that won't properly handle most games.
You used the cheapest parts based on prices in the absolute cheapest region to prove your point. What good does that really do anyone? If you dig for cheaper prices on lower quality components in the US you can come in at the price stated and, in the end, the results won't be worthwhile.
In regards to this specific game, go back and look at "recommended" requirements for other UbiSoft games. The bar is VERY low. Yet, when it comes to actually playing these games, the amount of hardware required to achieve good performance far exceeds those recommendations.
I feel it's disingenuous to suggest that you can build a good PC gaming system for $500-600 USD. You're making it seem like the barrier to entry is lower than it really is. It's akin to buying a BMW 3 series in its 316i form with no options.
OminoMichelin
Member
Hm. I might have to wait until christmas for a new PC, it would seem...
I wasn't digging for bad quality products at all, though. If I wanted to do that, I could go lower on the CPU, pick some off-brand 7850, no name RAM, etc. You don't seem to understand how well you can do by shopping around for prices, I guess.
And anyways, you're changing the goal posts. Durante never said this was a great gaming PC. He was responding to somebody who was talking about needing to spend $1000+ to 'run it ok', which I imagine the recommended specs will, which is why they're recommending them.
Really wondering if PS4 will be able to go native 1080p with this. 30 fps is fine by me, as long as they hit 1080p...
I mean, according to the mystery trusted source (http://www.examiner.com/article/rum...-graphically-definitive-version-of-watch-dogs) its 1080 on ps4, but I'm seriously beginning to wonder.
I mean, according to the mystery trusted source (http://www.examiner.com/article/rum...-graphically-definitive-version-of-watch-dogs) its 1080 on ps4, but I'm seriously beginning to wonder.
Prophet Steve
Member
Because a PC does more than play games. I agree that creating a game PC requires a larger investment at first, at least the maintenance part is a lot cheaper now and consoles seem to be getting much more hardware restricted nowadays at the end of a cycle.
With a PC of $600 you can quite comfortably play current games. But you will run against the limits soon. An AMD CPU does not automatically make it bad and does not make you unable to play games.
I do think it is better to spend more on a gaming PC though.
I'll agree with you if you post some benchmarks, that is everything.
I'll assume threads since there are listed quad-core processors here. Which make me think these specifications are not very reliable.
JonathanPower
Member
Yes, an 8 core Piledriver at 4Ghz has twice the theoretical Gflops than an 8 core Jaguar at 2Ghz. I misread your previous posts as 4 Piledriver cores when you said 4 Piledriver modules, my bad. This is why I was arguing that a 4 core Piledriver@4Ghz has the same theretical perfomance of an 8 core Jaguar@2Ghz.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=84403329&postcount=439
Because I was talking about a 4 core Piledriver versus an 8 core Jaguar. What I was saying is that even if you have the same theoretical performance, with FP intensive code Jaguar has a clear advantage, and you already agreed with me on this point.
Developers will take advantage advantage of what they have. Since an 8 core Jaguar has 8 real cores, each one with its own FPU, they will code around the strengths of Jaguar.
Wouldn't worry just yet.
DeFiBkIlLeR
Banned
..which is why they recommended a 6 core Intel.
I'm relatively confident my :
I5 2500k @ 4.4
Twin Frozr. 7970 @ 1125/1575
8gb Ram
Will play next gen ports at better IQ than XO/PS4 and at 1080p for a good while yet.
I can live without just hitting the Ultra preset as long as it looks and runs at least as good as it does on console. Specs like these are more of a worry for how it's going to look and run on consoles.
I5 2500k @ 4.4
Twin Frozr. 7970 @ 1125/1575
8gb Ram
Will play next gen ports at better IQ than XO/PS4 and at 1080p for a good while yet.
I can live without just hitting the Ultra preset as long as it looks and runs at least as good as it does on console. Specs like these are more of a worry for how it's going to look and run on consoles.
Actually, if I knew that I wouldn't say it. Take cheezcake's configuration, get a cheaper mainboard and case and a better deal on the CPU, and you have money for Win 8.
Whether or not you (or I) consider it "underpowered" is immaterial. I only claimed that you can build a system fulfilling the recommended requirements. I wouldn't suggest it to anyone!
Your CPU is fine.
how on earth do you manage to play console games?
are you that kind of person that adjusts expectations based on a platform's theoretical performance capability?
and windows costs what now? I think its like $200 for windows isn't it? Which you want the pro version.