If he's telling the truth or not, he's seen the game, he should be able to tell. If he can't tell 1080p from 720p, he certainly shouldn't be talking about games looking 'amazing'.
Are you guys really expecting MS to come out and say " X1 COD is 720p". of course they would keep silence !
Nobody said MS doesn't know, just that Albert Panello doesn't know.
Not at all. I expect silence. But that is what we're discussing, really: the deafening silence. If Sony had not come out and so easily confirmed the native resolution on PS4, we'd all still be thinking this rumour was not worth getting worked up over until we got something to go off of.
But now, this raises the stakes significantly. It says Activision is allowing Sony - who they're not even partnered with for Ghosts - to plainly share their native res without any issues. No delay, no beating around the bush. But for Microsoft, we still get silence! The only conclusion therefore is that whether Albert is aware of it or not, his friend in 3rd Party Relations is aware the news is negative or Activision does and must now be in the dirty business of trying to keep the news quiet.
I hate the way this industry operates sometimes with all the secrecy. Same problem with DICE and Battlefield's resolution. What's the plan? Wait for launch day and hope nobody notices? Sweet Jesus...
Wouldn't it be in yours and Activisions best interest to work together and at least be able to confirm that the Xbox will have parity with the PS4? I don't think that is asking too much, especially for a game that the Xbox brand has been tied so closely together with.
I'm actually wondering if gaf will get an 'apology or concession'.Albert, if COD: Ghosts is 720p on the XB1, and 1080p on the PS4, will you take back your previous statement about a >30% performance gap not existing between PS4 and XB1?
Albert, just wanted to say that I think you're doing a good job.Since every comment seems to create a s**tstorm, here goes.
Go back and read what I said not other peoples *interpretation* of what I said.
I was getting a lot of tweets asking about the issue of resolution. Ive seen the game, then I saw the PS4 footage, and I simply suggested that people wait for footage on both platforms to debate.
Ive said this exact same thing on this forum several times. But nobody reads the posts, people then just start to assume things or read into things, or then call into question my honesty. Lets put this to bed.
Heres a fact that will blow your mind.
The guy that runs 3rd party relations for Xbox is one of my best friends. And we have to play this information game all the time. He has the utmost respect for the confidentiality of partner details. So I did call him and ask him, and he told me very directly You dont need to know
End of conversation. End of speculation.
Nobody at MS will comment on this. Most people dont know. This is Activisions product, and its completely up to them on how/when they want to show this product, why they choose to roll-out their game in a certain way, and what platforms they choose to show on.
There is no point in lying about anything. If I did know, I would have just said I cant say. You all would have gotten the same answer.
So please, lets be careful on the lying and obfuscation memes around here. Read what I post. I ignore 99% of the insults here because they are clearly a result of people not actually reading.
That said, keep up the .gifs. Those I love.
I've mentioned this in another thread, but after all this controversy, I went to try out the two resolutions on a few PC games I had (Bioshock Infinite, Sleeping Dogs, Max Payne 3). Honestly, I couldn't really tell the difference with PC games on my 55" 1080p TV unless I constantly switch back and forth between the two resolutions and make a concerted effort to pick out details in the same scene :/ (I sit 8-10 feet away from my TV, btw).
Honestly, the only obvious way I could tell the difference was because the HUD elements changed size. Text would probably be another easy way to tell. But for an average action game in motion? I wouldn't be able to eyeball resolutions either. I can identify 30 vs. 60 fps, low details versus high details, and 480p vs. 720p though. Just not 720p vs. 1080p, unless I really made a concerted effort to spot the differences.
I don't think it's such a shock that some people may not be able to tell offhand from just watching a game being played. Maybe for some people, there are other graphics differences that jump out more than just resolution?
It seems to me that Activision is still cranking hard to improve the XBO version and is not willing to announce until the final timer.
Not at all. I expect silence. But that is what we're discussing, really: the deafening silence. If Sony had not come out and so easily confirmed the native resolution on PS4, we'd all still be thinking this rumour was not worth getting worked up over until we got something to go off of.
But now, this raises the stakes significantly. It says Activision is allowing Sony - who they're not even partnered with for Ghosts - to plainly share their native res without any issues. No delay, no beating around the bush. But for Microsoft, we still get silence! The only conclusion therefore is that whether Albert is aware of it or not, his friend in 3rd Party Relations is aware the news is negative or Activision does and must now be in the dirty business of trying to keep the news quiet.
What I meant by that was - why is Sony disclosing the information and not Microsoft then?
The answer is pretty obvious.
Amir0x spitting truth right now.
It seems to me that Activision is still cranking hard to improve the XBO version and is not willing to announce until the final timer. They prob don't want to create a shitstorm unless they're 100% sure its unavoidable.
They owe much of their financial success to XBOX360 and are probably working hard to not embarrass their top partner.
Ps4 is just going to be better for multiplatform games.
It'd be funny if the game ended up looking better at 720p because it hides all the little flaws. Then MS will say it was a "design choice" to run it that way.Maybe you can't tell if COD is 1080 or 720 because it looks bad in any resolution lol.
Since every comment seems to create a s**tstorm, here goes.
Go back and read what I said – not other people’s *interpretation* of what I said.
I was getting a lot of tweets asking about the issue of resolution. I’ve seen the game, then I saw the PS4 footage, and I simply suggested that people wait for footage on both platforms to debate.
I’ve said this exact same thing on this forum several times. But nobody reads the posts, people then just start to assume things or read into things, or then call into question my honesty. Let’s put this to bed.
Here’s a fact that will blow your mind.
The guy that runs 3rd party relations for Xbox is one of my best friends. And we have to play this information game all the time. He has the utmost respect for the confidentiality of partner details. So I did call him and ask him, and he told me very directly “You don’t need to know”
End of conversation. End of speculation.
Nobody at MS will comment on this. Most people don’t know. This is Activision’s product, and it’s completely up to them on how/when they want to show this product, why they choose to roll-out their game in a certain way, and what platforms they choose to show on.
There is no point in lying about anything. If I did know, I would have just said “I can’t say”. You all would have gotten the same answer.
So please, let’s be careful on the “lying” and “obfuscation” memes around here. Read what I post. I ignore 99% of the insults here because they are clearly a result of people not actually reading.
That said, keep up the .gifs. Those I love.
Albert, just wanted to say that I think you're doing a good job.
You can't let nobody hold you down. You can't let nobody take your pride. Ya gotta keep on moving past these haters.
Yep. Transparency with consumers. It's also positive for Sony. If the game looked like shit on their console they obviously wouldn't disclose it.Because they know it's native 1080p on their console and have chosen to share that information with their consumers?
Penello: Why would they share that information with Sony and not Microsoft? Maybe you guys should be more involved with third party operations?
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You got us. We're all hiving-minding it up.
Yep. Transparency with consumers. It's also positive for Sony. If the game looked like shit on their console they obviously wouldn't disclose it.
I remember Microsoft touting how Madden was best on Xbox 360 last gen. That reputation certainly was important in the early days.
Albert, if COD: Ghosts is 720p on the XB1, and 1080p on the PS4, will you take back your previous statement about a >30% performance gap not existing between PS4 and XB1?
That's the very worst form of PR.Not at all. I expect silence.
And the fact that even more sources have confirmed that rumour: https://twitter.com/atPeteDodd/status/393521489867075586
It's pretty plainly obvious.Not at all. I expect silence. But that is what we're discussing, really: the deafening silence. If Sony had not come out and so easily confirmed the native resolution on PS4, we'd all still be thinking this rumour was not worth getting worked up over until we got something to go off of.
But now, this raises the stakes significantly. It says Activision is allowing Sony - who they're not even partnered with for Ghosts - to plainly share their native res without any issues. No delay, no beating around the bush. But for Microsoft, we still get silence! The only conclusion therefore is that whether Albert is aware of it or not, his friend in 3rd Party Relations is aware the news is negative or Activision does and must now be in the dirty business of trying to keep the news quiet.
Pretty much. It's amusing. It's ultimately silly. Some people just want to watch the world burn, and I can admit that sometimes I'm one of them.The forum loves drama and we're in the middle of some of the best drama GAF has ever seen.
Are we "haters", or are we merely passionate gamers who are genuinely interested in knowing what we might potentially purchase? Knowing its flaws and strengths? Being intimately familiar with its idiosyncrasies so that we can make more informed purchases for extremely expensive items that are $400-$500?
Is it right, do you believe, that something such as native resolution is kept secret before people have the opportunity to buy it? Is this something you think is fair? And do you believe people reacting negatively to this fact makes them 'haters'?
That's the very worst form of PR.
You get bad news out yourself, and you get it out early. MS should have come clean when asked, and thrown a bunch of tech babble to calm fanboys "The temporal resolution CoD's blistering 60fps provides greatly enhances the image quality independent of resolution" or whatever, but instead it's just going to be a bloodbath when the face offs hits. Made even worse by the fact Sony are going to beat them on every single game on the same day.
Vire said:I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with wanting to know the truth, but flat saying they are deliberate liar is another matter entirely.
I get that it is frustrating, but really, you already know the truth.
Not at all. I expect silence. But that is what we're discussing, really: the deafening silence. If Sony had not come out and so easily confirmed the native resolution on PS4, we'd all still be thinking this rumour was not worth getting worked up over until we got something to go off of.
But now, this raises the stakes significantly. It says Activision is allowing Sony - who they're not even partnered with for Ghosts - to plainly share their native res without any issues. No delay, no beating around the bush. But for Microsoft, we still get silence! The only conclusion therefore is that whether Albert is aware of it or not, his friend in 3rd Party Relations is aware the news is negative or Activision does and must now be in the dirty business of trying to keep the news quiet.
I can't believe this is still a problem with death animations in CoD.
I am not arguing it's good PR or good strategy. Just that it is indeed the strategy I would expect for something like this
I have not called him a liar and to my knowledge never have. I have great respect for Albert, and think he's in an impossible situation.
Exactly. That's why you see a reversal of tactics.To be fair, transparency is much easier when you know you have the upper hand.
Either your eyes are bad or you sit very far away from your TV: The visual difference between the two resolutions is absolutely staggering, and especially important in a game like CoD where recognising enemies at a distance can be vital. 720p makes it very hard to pick out detail.
720p also looks much worse on a 1080p TV due to the required scaling (especially when 1:1 pixel mapping/Just Scan/however it is called by your manufacturer is enabled).
Dynamic as low as 832x624, 51,792 pixels, versus 2,073,600 pixels.Btw what was the res on the last COD game for the PS3?
I imagine this will be quite an increase.
But doesn't CoD absolutely positively have to be 1080p on PS4? It's competing directly with Killzone over there, and that game is 1080p and is making pants shrink.
Penello should have never got involved with this mess.
What? Ok, I'll break it down. Didn't want to, as I'm on my phone. Ami put it best when he said that the 180 is getting shit because it deserves it. Do you look around GAF and think that the favor of Sony and MS are split 50/50? Of course not.
MS has dropped the ball on several occasions since the reveal and crazy messaging, lower specs and higher price knocked their castle down. Most 180 threads turn to shit quite easily and when an Xbox fan asks, "why are you picking on MS? You guys are so biased!" the answer is always the same...we are a community made up of hardcore gamers and Sony is doing and saying all of the right things and MS is doing the opposite. Which is the truth. So what reason would a forum with such a lop-sided interest in PS4 over the 180 have for getting to 55 pages talking about the resolution of a 180 game? All the memes, lulz and .gifs were from concerned future 180 owners? Lol, come on.
The forum loves drama and we're in the middle of some of the best drama GAF has ever seen. I have no idea why you think I'm trying to hivemind GAF. I'm literally calling it like it is
Haven't read every post in this thread, and while I, like many others, assume it's 720p on Xbox one at this point, is it possible they are still working on trying to get it to 1080p and that's why it hasn't been confirmed? Or is basically a month before release not enough time to change anything and they're just delaying the official bad news as long as possible, etc.
Btw what was the res on the last COD game for the PS3?
I imagine this will be quite an increase.
We find the game hitting the same 880x720 figures enjoyed on 360 in places, but this isn't a constant throughout the game. Rather, it appears to be more dynamic than first thought, where several tests of the first level's river scene gives us a reading as low as 832x624.
... or why they are choosing to share.
864x720Btw what was the res on the last COD game for the PS3?
I imagine this will be quite an increase.