Oh the irony.
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So Target shipped someone an Xbox One already? [Update: console-banned until launch]
- Thread starter CrunchinJelly
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Oh the irony.
Things that don't work, he mentions it, GAF starts 3 threads in 23 seconds, 2 get locked, the other one gets 5k posts of hate.
Liferebooted
Banned
Well, it was kinda stupid to connect it to the internet.. I still feel bad about it though. He should return it to Target for an exchange.
ok want to know how you know sony wouldn't do this?
they preloaded GTA5 3 weeks before it came out in Europe. People hacked the shit out of it, got files up, posted storylines, sound etc
sony probably could have traced back to who it was and banned them but they chose not to. That potentially could have been a valid ban due to reverse engineering but they didnt do it
im not a sony fan, i have both preordered but thats just sonys perspective imo
they preloaded GTA5 3 weeks before it came out in Europe. People hacked the shit out of it, got files up, posted storylines, sound etc
sony probably could have traced back to who it was and banned them but they chose not to. That potentially could have been a valid ban due to reverse engineering but they didnt do it
im not a sony fan, i have both preordered but thats just sonys perspective imo
Man I must have been extremely lucky back in the day when I got Halo 3 4 days early and was posting about it here on GAF.
Petrae
Member
An automated ban is what I keep hearing is at play here. I don't necessarily think it was meant to be punitive, but it sure comes off that way.
Devilgunman
Member
Nice summary from Kotaku just in case somebody (aka me ...) missed the whole thing
http://kotaku.com/and-heres-another-guy-who-seems-to-have-an-xbox-one-a-1461279632?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow
http://kotaku.com/and-heres-another-guy-who-seems-to-have-an-xbox-one-a-1461279632?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow
PirateKing
Junior Member
I think this needs to be quoted every time someone comes up with an ''argument'' that Sony does it too.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
You'd think companies would take into account that these kinds of shipping mistakes are a possibility.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
And this is the uphill battle MS must endure. There could be 15 cool features the guy unlocked but the one that isn't will garner the most attention. They did this to themselves but it still represents how leaks often play out.
On Youtube and is that video still there?
He agreed to Xbox Live's Terms of Service, that's for sure. Obviously it's shitty that they banned his system, and the right thing to do would be to unban it (as it was Target's error), but let's be honest here, his console getting banned was the only possible outcome from this situation.
Yes, you potentially could be banned. It didn't happen often in the past but last year there were GAF members who had their gamertags and consoles banned for playing legit copies of Halo 4 before release. Frank O'Connor from 343 posted that he would fix it for one particular user, but then something happened and he stopped commenting on it, and the user's gamertag and console were never unbanned.
Stuff like this is why nobody will ever trust Microsoft in an all digital format.
Petrae
Member
This thread really isn't about what youtube did. It's what MS did. And his point was that Sony doesn't ban for shit like this so it applies.
Can you point out the specific clause in the TOS that applies here?
its not in xbox lives TOS to not upload shit to youtube. It IS to not use a modified console
he triggered the modified console ban system, it automatically banned him.
thats what has happened
Serious question: can you quote for me the part of the XBL TOS that he violated? Is there a part that forbids users from sharing details of unreleased hardware and software on social media, or forbids players from using unreleased software and hardware early?
i'm telling you that 99.9% sure yes indeed you would be.
I have seen it to many times for it not to be a policy and like i said i always have to give my GT early.
Wouldn't Major Nelson's Xbox One unboxing video have been in violation of the TOS? I don't think Microsoft would post videos of their employees breaking the rules.
Puppet Shadow
Member
Ya, I would have no issue with MS if when he first connects to Live and it says something like 'Come back November 22ⁿᵈ and check out the possibilities!' or something like that.
Don't fucking say 'Cool you're here, hang on... you'll need this patch! Wait, I forgot to check my list, I'm sure you're on here somewhere...'
wat
you cant copyright infringe your own copyright
its not against the Live TOS to do an unboxing, that is not what got him banned. All that would have been is a copyright infringe on YT.
the automated system triggered
WAR recon zero
Banned
they can block live services for non whitelisted gamertags. not banning the whole damn thing
Here's a case study to help Microsoft understand how to appropriately handle these kinds of situations:
Against their rules, a filmmaker snuck into the Magic kingdom and filmed a horror film on Disney property. Very subversive stuff, very much against the manufactured world of Disney. It's called Escape from Tomorrow. Everyone was prepping for a big legal fight, Disney trying to stop the release, etc. in fact, the distributor and filmmaker counted on it - controversy would drive up their sales!
So, how did Disney respond? They didn't. They ignored it. Completely. Utterly.
The film has faded into obscurity. Almost no one saw it, and few people have heard of it.
When you're a giant, attacking the little guy fails -- hard.
Proper MS response -- directly contact the guy, thank him for his kind words, offer him a year of Live and a copy of a game if he holds off reporting for a couple weeks. Explain that they really want to make a concerted marketing push, and his coverage dilutes it a bit. Ask for his help, don't make him the enemy. Friends are better.
Against their rules, a filmmaker snuck into the Magic kingdom and filmed a horror film on Disney property. Very subversive stuff, very much against the manufactured world of Disney. It's called Escape from Tomorrow. Everyone was prepping for a big legal fight, Disney trying to stop the release, etc. in fact, the distributor and filmmaker counted on it - controversy would drive up their sales!
So, how did Disney respond? They didn't. They ignored it. Completely. Utterly.
The film has faded into obscurity. Almost no one saw it, and few people have heard of it.
When you're a giant, attacking the little guy fails -- hard.
Proper MS response -- directly contact the guy, thank him for his kind words, offer him a year of Live and a copy of a game if he holds off reporting for a couple weeks. Explain that they really want to make a concerted marketing push, and his coverage dilutes it a bit. Ask for his help, don't make him the enemy. Friends are better.
BronsonLee
Member
Ice. Cold.
What copyright was infringed? How do you know it was automated?
Uno Venova
Banned
Mugatu
Member
Even if they block the video, I doubt they would ban my PS3.
And this argument by speculation really needs to stop. I think we all realize that many things can possibly happen in the world, but let's stick to talking about things that did happen.
Marvel
could never
LOL, that's awesome. Is that you?
PirateKing
Junior Member
Why did this gif make me laugh hard? The original gif never did but this was good.
because Microsoft software engineers are smart enough to code a system that checks the hardware of a system and bans if modified. its entirely possible LIVE is viewing xbox ones not on the whitelist as modified 360s (because of One Live not being widely out)
yes its connecting to One Live but its triggering the automatic system. You honestly think microsoft has engineers watching the connections 24/7 to ban systems? nope
this is probably why they won't give you a reason. theres probably 5000 things coded that equal a ban in their automated service.
phosphor112
Banned
That target warehouse is less than a 1 minute drive from my parents lol. You can hear them loading and unloading stuff from their yard. Anyone want to break in with me? =P (I'm joking)
HeroesInAHalfShell
Neo Member
Yeah, I agree. I'm hearing much of the same.
I would stay in bed if I were him.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Amazing. Just bravo.
If it was automated it would have been instant ban as soon as he connected. Unless the program was very poorly made.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Yosh has answered a question about this:
https://twitter.com/yosp/status/399130194956414977
Well, that's quite an interesting response for me. I'm not interested in whether Sony won't or will do what MS have done to a certain gamer recently, I'm more interested in the fact that he suggests perhaps there WILL be some PS4s out there before the launch day.
https://twitter.com/yosp/status/399130194956414977
Well, that's quite an interesting response for me. I'm not interested in whether Sony won't or will do what MS have done to a certain gamer recently, I'm more interested in the fact that he suggests perhaps there WILL be some PS4s out there before the launch day.
Mugatu
Member
But then all of the early deliveries would be banned.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Better yet, Sony should send him a PS4.
The topic started to discuss Youtube and others mentioned how they were able to upload PS3 stuff early without punishment. So I was just curious to see if those videos were still up.