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I wouldn't think so. that's just the time it takes to load the OS and the menus. You haven't even signed in to PSN until after that 30 seconds, so how could it know which games to download?

The first time you start up your console, will be the longest time. Same goes for a game.

 

[viveks86]

I don't get it. I thought standby wasn't there for launch. when the PS4 is off, it's off, isn't it?

Nope. Stand by mode is there for launch. It is still powered, but just in a low power state. It would still download system updates, game updates etc.

Shuhei Yoshida
‏@yosp
@BrandonRich @giantbomb PS4 will ship with standby mode, which you can download updates while the main power is off. Not with suspend mode.
7:52 PM - 30 Oct 13

Yes, PS4’s stand-by mode deactivates its primary functions to reduce energy usage, though it is still able to charge DUALSHOCK 4 wireless controllers and download system updates in this power-saving mode. As an added benefit for PlayStation Plus members, PS4 can automatically download game patches when in standby mode as well.

I wouldn't think so. that's just the time it takes to load the OS and the menus. You haven't even signed in to PSN until after that 30 seconds, so how could it know which games to download?

This is incorrect. Refer my quotes. It implies that the stand by mode is connected to PSN. I'm not sure if game downloads can happen, but game updates can surely happen.

 

[bomma_man]

What's the PS4's power consumption like? I always cold boot my OG PS3 because it uses a ridiculous amount in stand by.

 

[Bundy]

30 seconds?
Good! So I can have 6x sex until I can start playing with my PS4
My girl-friend will be happy

Spoiler

-_-

 

[ronco2000]

If xbone can do 25 sec I'm switching!!! My 10 seconds is precious...I can blow a load and cook a delicious dinner for that amount of time.

 

[gofreak]

I don't get it. I thought standby wasn't there for launch. when the PS4 is off, it's off, isn't it?

From what I've read I think low power standby is in.

What isn't in is resuming a game after waking from standby, which people have alternately confused to mean that there isn't suspend/resume of games (there is, but not across the low power state) or that there isn't the low power standby (there is).

At least that's my read of what's been put out there. I guess if that is the case, GI will publish a correction later.

 

[so1337]

Stand by takes your system to a low power state. What computer/laptop do you have? It's similar to hibernate on windows or deep sleep on mac. It doesn't go through the whole boot screen when you reopen it. It just resumes whenever you wake it up. Might take a few seconds, but shouldn't take 30.

Suspend/resume for games allows you to pick up the game exactly where you left off, even if you put your system on stand by. That's the feature that is not there at launch. Stand by, is still there. Also, you can still multitask at launch and "suspend" your game. It just wouldn't remain suspended if you power down your PS4 at launch.

If that's the case, that's just not good enough. The Vita had this feature on Day 1. I honestly think that's really disappointing.

 

[viveks86]

If xbone can do 25 sec I'm switching!!! My 10 seconds is precious...I can blow a load and cook a delicious dinner for that amount of time.

I'm trying to decide which would be worse...

If that's the case, that's just not good enough. The Vita had this feature on Day 1. I think that's really disappointing.

Ahhh. The pains of a day 1 purchase. Something always goes missing. It happened to be this one. We are all buying a console for the long term, right? I think it's wiser to accept it and find other features to appreciate

 

[SeaOfMadness]

Nope. Stand by mode is there for launch. It is still powered, but just in a low power state. It would still download system updates, game updates etc.







This is incorrect. Refer my quotes. It implies that the stand by mode is connected to PSN. I'm not sure if game downloads can happen, but game updates can surely happen.

then what is suspend mode? sounds like it's the same thing

Edit: ok I see now.. so I wonder how long it takes to resume from standby? who cares how long a cold boot is if you only ever put the thing in standby when you'd done using it

 

[Applecot]

Honestly not a big deal, my phone / handhelds / ps3 / non-Windows 8 PCs boot in around 30s if not more.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

This morning during a demonstration, we saw a PlayStation 4 cold-booted. We roughly timed that at about 30 seconds and confirmed it with our own unit after setting it up.

That's not too bad. There's a video floating around the net where a Gamestop unit takes upwards of a minute to start from a boot up...although it enters into a safe mode in that video for some reason...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ0eRnt7JEM

 

[Big Baybee]

then what is suspend mode? sounds like it's the same thing

Suspend/Resume GAMES

 

[sono]

When I heard that PS4 had suspend and resume a while back I was really looking forward to that, especially seeing how well it works on the Vita.

I am disappointed it is not available at launch and hope it is not too long we get that feature on PS4.

 

[Nightengale]

then what is suspend mode? sounds like it's the same thing

Suspend mode refers to what PSP, Vita and 3DS can do, where you can pause/sleep your in-game progress and restore to gameplay immediately.

On day one, if you put your PS4 to standby, you need to close the game.

 

[King Tubby]

I watch the NFL every Sunday. A 30 second delay before action is nothing.

 

[IHaveCandy]

That Sucker Punch guy should get Sony to hurry up with the Suspend/Resume update. Maybe he can calculate how many lifetimes are lost in a year from users waiting for their PS4 to boot up.

 

[SeaOfMadness]

That Sucker Punch guy should get Sony to hurry up with the Suspend/Resume update. Maybe he can calculate how many lifetimes are lost in a year from users waiting for their PS4 to boot up.

looks like i'm not the only one confused by this

 

[viveks86]

Edit: ok I see now.. so I wonder how long it takes to resume from standby? who cares how long a cold boot is if you only ever put the thing in standby when you'd done using it

No idea. I don't think it's instantaneous (I may be wrong), but I'm guessing it's not 30 seconds either.

 

[mrklaw]

I didn't realise that no sleep/resume meant the entire console. Ike assumed it just meant for game states. I thought you could still sleep the console for quick waking, but you'd have to reload your game.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

People are just finding anything at this point. What's next the power cord is 2 inches too short?

 

[kartu]

How long does Xbone take?

 

[ronco2000]

If this really a big deal for someone buying a console then they shouldn't be buying one in the first place.

 

[viveks86]

People are just finding anything at this point. What's next the power cord is 2 inches too short?

Hey, 2 inches could be the difference between marital bliss and divorce!

 

[SeaOfMadness]

I didn't realise that no sleep/resume meant the entire console. Ike assumed it just meant for game states. I thought you could still sleep the console for quick waking, but you'd have to reload your game.

it evidently doesn't? what you say you thought is what people are saying is exactly how it works.

 

[IHaveCandy]

looks like i'm not the only one confused by this

Que?

 

[PaulloDEC]

I just timed both my PS3s, and it's a little over 20 seconds between the beep and me being able to navigate the menu.

lol, okay? probably takes longer than 20 seconds.

Well, I stand corrected. Just timed it, and what do you know, it came out around 20 seconds.

I guess all this demonstrates for me is how little an additional 10 seconds is going to bother me. The PS3 boot time has always seemed negligibly short to me.

 

[SeaOfMadness]

How long does Xbone take?

for what? cold boot or standby? I would argue cold boot means nothing if there is a standby mode. unless you're super power conscious, you would always use standby mode. in that case, we're talking < 10 seconds for both consoles.. (but this is unconfirmed).

so... non-issue?

 

[ronco2000]

People are just finding anything at this point. What's next the power cord is 2 inches too short?

Size matter, man. At least that's what my gf keeps saying!!

 

[kartu]

for what? cold boot or standby??

For the same, which is cold boot.

for what? cold boot or standby? I would argue cold boot means nothing if there is a standby mode. unless you're super power conscious, you would always use standby mode. in that case, we're talking < 10 seconds for both consoles.. (but this is unconfirmed).

so... non-issue?

It depends on how much it consumes in standby.

 

[LiquidSolid]

no


suspending a game is like having a game on a pc open and you're playing it. you decide you want to go to a web browser and look something up, so you switch out of the game.

the game on a pc runs in the background, but since the console won't "run" the game in the background while you're jerking off to pron, the game will save its state at which point you can go back to it and resume at that point you suspended the game.



it might make more sense to call it a "save state" to people who have used things that are capable of doing so.



putting your console on standby may include the above functionality at some point when "suspend & resume" is patched in. but standby mode is a low-power mode that offers its own functionality of downloading games you buy and applying patches on its own.

Argh, no it isn't and I see a lot of normally well informed people, like you, making the same mistake over this.

Multi-tasking, where you can pause a game, open the browser or an app and then go right back into the game from where you left off, is in the PS4 at launch. This should be obvious, seeing as the FAQ last week said that you can use the Music Unlimited app for custom soundtracks.

Suspend/resume is what we'd normally call sleep mode. It lets you pause a game, power down your PS4 (which provides enough power to keep your game in a suspended state), turn your PS4 back on and then immediately pick up your game right from where you paused it. This is the feature that will be patched in.

 

[Schrödinger's cat]

30 seconds? I've watched animated gifs longer than that.

 

[SeaOfMadness]

Que?

resume from standby should be pretty quick (much less than 30 seconds). most of the time wasted would be people waiting for a game to load into the menus and then to load whatever the latest save game was. that's much longer than any kind of boot time.

the missing suspend/resume feature wouldn't affect wake up from standby or console cold boot times, it would shorten the time from wake-up to ready-to-play.

 

[SeaOfMadness]

It depends on how much it consumes in standby.

maybe? how much is too much.. I wouldn't even know.. lol

 

[Phreak47]

Canceling all orders, never ordering anything again ever.

 

[IHaveCandy]

resume from standby should be pretty quick (much less than 30 seconds). most of the time wasted would be people waiting for a game to load into the menus and then to load whatever the latest save game was. that's much longer than any kind of boot time.

the missing suspend/resume feature wouldn't affect wake up from standby or console cold boot times, it would shorten the time from wake-up to ready-to-play.

Okay. Well, the Sucker Punch guy can calculate how many lifetimes are lost in a year from people waiting to load up their games.

 

[RulkezX]

Size matter, man. At least that's what my gf keeps saying!!

Your power cord is 2" too short ?

OT - I always cold boot , all electronics are turned off at the wall when I go to bed at night , a 30s boot up time is no biggie.

 

[supaflyryguy]

Argh, no it isn't and I see a lot of normally well informed people, like you, making the same mistake over this.

Multi-tasking, where you can pause a game, open the browser or an app and then go right back into the game from where you left off, is in the PS4 at launch. This should be obvious, seeing as the FAQ last week said that you can use the Music Unlimited app for custom soundtracks.

Suspend/resume is what we'd normally call sleep mode. It lets you pause a game, power down your PS4 (which provides enough power to keep your game in a suspended state), turn your PS4 back on and then immediately pick up your game right from where you paused it. This is the feature that will be patched in.

Thank you for this post. Very well said, and hopefully it clarifies the confusion that a lot of posters seem to be having.

 

[Fried Food]

yeah, they should have had suspend & resume at launch

 

[Spacecowboy77]

After getting used to 5-8 seconds boot on PC, 30 seconds is a lot..

 

[ronco2000]

Your power cord is 2" too short ?

OT - I always cold boot , all electronics are turned off at the wall when I go to bed at night , a 30s boot up time is no biggie.

Yeah, it can't reach her outlet ;(

 

[SeaOfMadness]

Thank you for this post. Very well said, and hopefully it clarifies the confusion that a lot of posters seem to be having.

except he equates suspend/resume to sleep mode, which doesn't appear to be correct.

suspend/resume refers to allowing a game to go into a suspended state so that when the console wakes up from standby, the game is back right where you left off. that's the missing feature. I would assume that this wouldn't work in the cold boot case since all of memory state (RAM) is lost on cold boot

standby is there at launch, so this whole talk about cold boot time means nothing as long as standby is there (unless you are super power conscious).

having suspend/resume available would only shorten the load time for the most recently played game, not the wake from standby (or cold boot) time.

that's where I was initially confused. unless I've gotten something wrong, I think this is how it works on day 1.

 

[kartu]

maybe? how much is too much.. I wouldn't even know.. lol

Where I live 1W 24/365 turns into about 2 Euros.
So if it is about 30W electricity costs will be higher than PSN+ costs.

 

[Bikola]

No biggy. I Can probably have sex during the boot up.

 

[Acheteedo]

How long does Xbone take?

That guy who got one early said 17 seconds I think.

 

[viveks86]

except he equates suspend/resume to sleep mode, which doesn't appear to be correct.

suspend/resume refers to allowing a game to go into a suspended state so that when the console wakes up from standby, the game is back right where you left off. that's the missing feature. I would assume that this wouldn't work in the cold boot case since all of memory state (RAM) is lost on cold boot

standby is there at launch, so this whole talk about cold boot time means nothing as long as standby is there (unless you are super power conscious).

having suspend/resume available would only shorten the load time for the most recently played game, not the wake from standby (or cold boot) time.

that's where I was initially confused. unless I've gotten something wrong, I think this is how it works on day 1.

I think both of you are right. He might be using the sleep mode term loosely since that's a phrase that is easier to relate to than suspend/resume. But the crux of both your interpretations is spot on.

 

[viveks86]

That guy who got one early said 17 seconds I think.

Yeah but that was 17 seconds to a screen that asked him to download a 500 MB update. He does use the term "dashboard" but the update screen actually comes before that. Better to wait for another source before using that number.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Just going to repost what I stated earlier.

It's really simple.

If you're playing a game and you put your PS4 to sleep mid game, when you come back to the PS4 at a later time it will not resume where you left off in the game (you will lose any unsaved progress). You'll be back at the OS and you'll need to enter the game again (and go through whatever splash screens that are there).

To compare it to PSP/Vita. There are two states

Completely off
Stand by.

Both PSP and Vita can suspend a game when you put the device in standby and when you return to the device, it will resume the game from where you left off without having to enter the game from the OS. Many people do this when they're tired and can't find a save point for whatever game they're currently in. If you're waking your PS4 from standby it's not going to take 30 seconds. If you turn on your PS4 from the completely off state...it will take 30 seconds. It's like say your iPad. When you're finished using it do you hold down the power button and slide to power off or do you simply throw it into standby mode until you're ready to use it again?

The ability to put PS4 to sleep is and has always been there. The ability for sleep to suspend your game will not be there.

Such a simple thing made so complex.

 

[madmackem]

Well using my 360 seems to take a whole minute with how shitty live can be to load shit in, if these new consoles better that im good.


Wow some of these comment are mad cray son, 30 seconds people for the first cold boot after that less chill the fuck out. Did i just read someone say fuck 1080p when the console takes 30 seconds to cold boot. For the love of god.

 

[dragonelite]

20 seconds for cold boot not bad for an console.
Probably can shave some off it with hybrid or ssd hdd.

 

[HORRORSHØW]

20 seconds for cold boot not bad for an console.
Probably can shave some off it with hybrid or ssd hdd.

Yeah, but the PS4 takes 30 seconds. We're doomed. Cue the apocalypse.