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30 seconds? That's WiiU territory... I honestly expected faster, but whatever, it's just 30 seconds.

 

[Brad Grenz]

except he equates suspend/resume to sleep mode, which doesn't appear to be correct.

suspend/resume refers to allowing a game to go into a suspended state so that when the console wakes up from standby, the game is back right where you left off. that's the missing feature. I would assume that this wouldn't work in the cold boot case since all of memory state (RAM) is lost on cold boot

standby is there at launch, so this whole talk about cold boot time means nothing as long as standby is there (unless you are super power conscious).

having suspend/resume available would only shorten the load time for the most recently played game, not the wake from standby (or cold boot) time.

that's where I was initially confused. unless I've gotten something wrong, I think this is how it works on day 1.

Yes, people are conflating a lot of terms here. To be clear:

Stand By: This is a low power state the PS4 goes into when you are not using it. It is equivalent to sleeping your PC or turning off the screen on your iPhone or tablet. While in this mode the PS4 can still ping your internet connection, download patches, firmware updates or games you've bought remotely through the website or phone app. Stand by will be available at launch.

Multitasking: This is the ability to switch to a different app without having to close a running game. It's like alt-tabbing out of a game on your PC, or hitting the home button on a Vita to check twitter or open the web browser. The game state is preserved exactly so when you switch back you are in exactly the same place and can keep going. PS4 can do this at launch, and even has a feature that lets you double click the PS button to quickly switch between the game and the last app you used.

Suspend/Resume: This is the ability to suspend a game you are playing and put the PS4 into Stand By mode without having to save so the next time you wake up the PS4 you can immediately start playing where you left off without having to relaunch the game or load a save. Like the multitasking feature above it would perfectly preserve your game state even while the system is in the low powered Stand By mode. This is what WILL NOT be available at launch.

And to reiterate - Cold Boot: This is the time it take for your system to boot into the OS from a no power state. You will only experience this the first time you plug in the PS4 and (presumably) whenever a firmware update needs to be installed. In normal use you will be using the Stand By mode to turn your PS4 "off". As such it's not that important how long it takes, just like no one worried about how long a cold boot takes on an iPhone or iPad. If you are experiencing a cold boot it's because the power was inadvertently interrupted, updating the operating system, or recovering from a system crash.

 

[davepoobond]

Argh, no it isn't and I see a lot of normally well informed people, like you, making the same mistake over this.

Multi-tasking, where you can pause a game, open the browser or an app and then go right back into the game from where you left off, is in the PS4 at launch. This should be obvious, seeing as the FAQ last week said that you can use the Music Unlimited app for custom soundtracks.

Suspend/resume is what we'd normally call sleep mode. It lets you pause a game, power down your PS4 (which provides enough power to keep your game in a suspended state), turn your PS4 back on and then immediately pick up your game right from where you paused it. This is the feature that will be patched in.

basically you're saying you can't standby while in a game, you have to quit the game and then standby?

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Yes, people are conflating a lot of terms here. To be clear:

Stand By: This is a low power state the PS4 goes into when you are not using it. It is equivalent to sleeping your PC or turning off the screen on your iPhone or tablet. While in this mode the PS4 can still ping your internet connection, download patches, firmware updates or games you've bought remotely through the website or phone app. Stand by will be available at launch.

Multitasking: This is the ability to switch to a different app without having to close a running game. It's like alt-tabbing out of a game on your PC, or hitting the home button on a Vita to check twitter or open the web browser. The game state is preserved exactly so when you switch back you are in exactly the same place and can keep going. PS4 can do this at launch, and even has a feature that lets you double click the PS button to quickly switch between the game and the last app you used.

Suspend/Resume: This is the ability to suspend a game you are playing and put the PS4 into Stand By mode without having to save so the next time you wake up the PS4 you can immediately start playing where you left off without having to relaunch the game or load a save. Like the multitasking feature above it would perfectly preserve your game state even while the system is in the low powered Stand By mode. This is what WILL NOT be available at launch.

And to reiterate - Cold Boot: This is the time it take for your system to boot into the OS from a no power state. You will only experience this the first time you plug in the PS4 and (presumably) whenever a firmware update needs to be installed. In normal use you will be using the Stand By mode to turn your PS4 "off". As such it's not that important how long it takes, just like no one worried about how long a cold boot takes on an iPhone or iPad. If you are experiencing a cold boot it's because the power was inadvertently interrupted, updating the operating system, or recovering from a system crash.

Someone put this in the OP please.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Yes, people are conflating a lot of terms here. To be clear:

Stand By: This is a low power state the PS4 goes into when you are not using it. It is equivalent to sleeping your PC or turning off the screen on your iPhone or tablet. While in this mode the PS4 can still ping your internet connection, download patches, firmware updates or games you've bought remotely through the website or phone app. Stand by will be available at launch.

Multitasking: This is the ability to switch to a different app without having to close a running game. It's like alt-tabbing out of a game on your PC, or hitting the home button on a Vita to check twitter or open the web browser. The game state is preserved exactly so when you switch back you are in exactly the same place and can keep going. PS4 can do this at launch, and even has a feature that lets you double click the PS button to quickly switch between the game and the last app you used.

Suspend/Resume: This is the ability to suspend a game you are playing and put the PS4 into Stand By mode without having to save so the next time you wake up the PS4 you can immediately start playing where you left off without having to relaunch the game or load a save. Like the multitasking feature above it would perfectly preserve your game state even while the system is in the low powered Stand By mode. This is what WILL NOT be available at launch.

And to reiterate - Cold Boot: This is the time it take for your system to boot into the OS from a no power state. You will only experience this the first time you plug in the PS4 and (presumably) whenever a firmware update needs to be installed. In normal use you will be using the Stand By mode to turn your PS4 "off". As such it's not that important how long it takes, just like no one worried about how long a cold boot takes on an iPhone or iPad. If you are experiencing a cold boot it's because the power was inadvertently interrupted, updating the operating system, or recovering from a system crash.

Really needs to be in the OP, it amazes me how complicated people have made this.

 

[synce]

Has anyone confirmed how long booting from standby takes?

 

[The_Reckoning]

Someone put this in the OP please.

It won't help. There's blood in the water. It's new console week.

 

[LiquidSolid]

except he equates suspend/resume to sleep mode, which doesn't appear to be correct.

suspend/resume refers to allowing a game to go into a suspended state so that when the console wakes up from standby, the game is back right where you left off. that's the missing feature. I would assume that this wouldn't work in the cold boot case since all of memory state (RAM) is lost on cold boot

standby is there at launch, so this whole talk about cold boot time means nothing as long as standby is there (unless you are super power conscious).

having suspend/resume available would only shorten the load time for the most recently played game, not the wake from standby (or cold boot) time.

that's where I was initially confused. unless I've gotten something wrong, I think this is how it works on day 1.

That depends entirely on how you look at it. I don't consider the standard standby mode to be sleep mode, as it's actually killing any games/apps that are running before being put into its low powered state. Sleep mode, on the other hand, actually puts all processes to sleep and wakes them up once you power it back up.

 

[NemesisPrime]

My PC cold boots in 8 seconds

 

[Metalmurphy]

My PC cold boots in 8 seconds

What motherboard do you have? 8 seconds is how long it takes for most motherboards to get past POST, not even counting booting into os.

 

[dragonelite]

Yeah, but the PS4 takes 30 seconds. We're doomed. Cue the apocalypse.

Where is the mod bunker we need to take it over for the apocalypse
No big problem 30 seconds boot if im even using an console its for at least 2 hours worth of gaming.

 

[LiquidSolid]

basically you're saying you can't standby while in a game, you have to quit the game and then standby?

Pretty much. I'm guessing that if you try to put it into standby mode while you're still playing a game, it'll pop up a warning that tells you that if you proceed, your game will be killed.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

My PC cold boots in 8 seconds

Calling BS. My apologies if true, not sure how you are getting through POST so quickly. Just saw a video on youtube and he is getting around 8-10. How are you skipping POST?

You go from a power off state to OS in eight seconds?

My Win 7 on SSD even with an eliminated splash screen takes 20-30.

 

[Killing_Joke]

Nvm read the OP wrong. Took it as GI timed a standby boot. Yeah, that article is extremely useless. I wonder why no one else is commenting on this.

 

[Sickbean]

Yes, people are conflating a lot of terms here. To be clear:

Stand By: This is a low power state the PS4 goes into when you are not using it. It is equivalent to sleeping your PC or turning off the screen on your iPhone or tablet. While in this mode the PS4 can still ping your internet connection, download patches, firmware updates or games you've bought remotely through the website or phone app. Stand by will be available at launch.

Multitasking: This is the ability to switch to a different app without having to close a running game. It's like alt-tabbing out of a game on your PC, or hitting the home button on a Vita to check twitter or open the web browser. The game state is preserved exactly so when you switch back you are in exactly the same place and can keep going. PS4 can do this at launch, and even has a feature that lets you double click the PS button to quickly switch between the game and the last app you used.

Suspend/Resume: This is the ability to suspend a game you are playing and put the PS4 into Stand By mode without having to save so the next time you wake up the PS4 you can immediately start playing where you left off without having to relaunch the game or load a save. Like the multitasking feature above it would perfectly preserve your game state even while the system is in the low powered Stand By mode. This is what WILL NOT be available at launch.

And to reiterate - Cold Boot: This is the time it take for your system to boot into the OS from a no power state. You will only experience this the first time you plug in the PS4 and (presumably) whenever a firmware update needs to be installed. In normal use you will be using the Stand By mode to turn your PS4 "off". As such it's not that important how long it takes, just like no one worried about how long a cold boot takes on an iPhone or iPad. If you are experiencing a cold boot it's because the power was inadvertently interrupted, updating the operating system, or recovering from a system crash.

Aaand this point negates the need for the thread.

People are only going to need to cold boot once in a blue moon I'd imagine.

 

[davepoobond]

Pretty much. I'm guessing that if you try to put it into standby mode while you're still playing a game, it'll pop up a warning that tells you that if you proceed, your game will be killed.

yeah, that was pretty much my understanding as well, i just didn't realize that "multitasking for games" is a separate thing from "suspend/resume".

 

[Sickbean]

Calling BS.

You go from a power off state to OS in eight seconds?

My Win 7 on SSD even with an eliminated splash screen takes 20-30.

Windows 8 is way faster to boot on an SSD (about the only major advantage over 7). 8 seconds sounds pretty realistic.

 

[KORNdoggy]

after reading the thread title i was expecting frigging minutes...30 seconds i can deal with. and when suspend/resume hits...gonna be even better.

 

[NemesisPrime]

Windows 8 is way faster to bott on an SSD (about the only major advantage over 7). 8 seconds sounds pretty realistic.

Yes it is with a nice SSD.

 

[mrklaw]

If standby is in, then why does the article talk about wanting suspend/resume soon? Stand by would negate the issues with cold boot times significantly.

I don't think it is that clear cut until we've seen someone confirm that you can boot from standby significantly quicker than 30 seconds

 

[Jacobi]

So if stand-by's there who cares?

 

[LiquidSolid]

yeah, that was pretty much my understanding as well, i just didn't realize that "multitasking for games" is a separate thing from "suspend/resume".

Yeah, I don't think Sony did a great job of clarifying exactly what they meant by suspend/resume, as it can easily be mistaken for multitasking (even though there are videos out there showing the multitasking working right now).

I'm still wondering if the Xbone even has the suspend/resume feature, as it seems like everyone that's talked about it was actually talking about multitasking.

 

[Brad Grenz]

Yeah, I don't think Sony did a great job of clarifying exactly what they meant by suspend/resume, as it can easily be mistaken for multitasking (even though there are videos out there showing the multitasking working right now).

I'm still wondering if the Xbone even has the suspend/resume feature, as it seems like everyone that's talked about it was actually talking about multitasking.

The Xbox One is an always on device, it never goes into an equivalent low power state to the PS4's Stand By mode so there is no situation where the game would be interrupted in the same manner. As such the multitasking capabilities of the Xbox One give it the same functionality as a suspend/resume feature.

 

[synce]

So if stand-by's there who cares?

I haven't seen any confirmation that standby is quicker than cold boot... AFAIK there's no difference on PS3

 

[CosmicGroinPull]

Windows 8 is way faster to boot on an SSD (about the only major advantage over 7). 8 seconds sounds pretty realistic.

Yep it's 8 seconds (not 6 like I said earlier). I just timed it.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Windows 8 is way faster to boot on an SSD (about the only major advantage over 7). 8 seconds sounds pretty realistic.

No crap, not sure if I want to upgrade just to get a faster boot though.

 

[roads]

Are SSDs confirmed working?

 

[Metalmurphy]

Windows 8 is way faster to boot on an SSD (about the only major advantage over 7). 8 seconds sounds pretty realistic.

Windows 8 isn't going to change the POST speed. I'm calling it BS too.

Not to mention that W8 doesn't actually fully load until you sign in.

 

[Daedardus]

There's still standby though. It's not like electricity is expensive and we just have to waste it because we like our consoles doing nothing at night.

 

[LiquidSolid]

The Xbox One is an always on device, it never goes into an equivalent low power state to the PS4's Stand By mode so there is no situation where the game would be interrupted in the same manner. As such the multitasking capabilities of the Xbox One give it the same functionality as a suspend/resume feature.

That's not my understanding, nor Penello's from what I've read:
http://www.examiner.com/article/microsoft-director-xbox-one-turns-on-faster-than-tv-from-standby

 

[Dombrowski]

30 seconds? That's WiiU territory... I honestly expected faster, but whatever, it's just 30 seconds.

I just turned on my Wii U (patched and everything) and it took 20 seconds. Kinda funny how the Wii U boots faster than the PS4.

30 seconds ain't a lot, but I expected better.

 

[simplythebest]

Spoiler

un

acceptable

 

[viveks86]

That's not my understanding, nor Penello's from what I've read:
http://www.examiner.com/article/microsoft-director-xbox-one-turns-on-faster-than-tv-from-standby

I second this.

Windows 8 isn't going to change the POST speed. I'm calling it BS too.

Not to mention that W8 doesn't actually fully load until you sign in.

I second this as well. 8 seconds on cold boot. LOL

 

[Brad Grenz]

That's not my understanding, nor Penello's from what I've read:
http://www.examiner.com/article/microsoft-director-xbox-one-turns-on-faster-than-tv-from-standby

Just because they both have something called "stand by" does not mean they are equivalent power states. On the Xbox One the main APU is always active. It throttles down and shuts off parts, but it never turns off. On PS4 the main APU goes completely inactive and the custom secondary background processor takes over to manage the system. The challenges of ramping up an active processor versus activating one that is off are completely different.

 

[DieH@rd]

Calling BS. My apologies if true, not sure how you are getting through POST so quickly. Just saw a video on youtube and he is getting around 8-10. How are you skipping POST?

You go from a power off state to OS in eight seconds?

My Win 7 on SSD even with an eliminated splash screen takes 20-30.

lol @ unbelievers

You need to have motherboard with UEFI BIOS. That BIOS is not checking for every component, you set it up once, and then it uses that setting for as long as every component is working fine.

 

[viveks86]

Just because they both have something called "stand by" does not mean they are equivalent power states. On the Xbox One the main APU is always active. It throttles down and shuts off parts, but it never turns off. On PS4 the main APU goes completely inactive and the custom secondary background processor takes over to manage the system. The challenges of ramping up an active processor versus activating one that is off are completely different.

But that wasn't the argument, was it? The xbox does have stand by from a consumer's standpoint. How much power it consumes in that state is a different debate, right?

 

[opticalmace]

lol @ unbelievers

You need to have motherboard with UEFI BIOS. That BIOS is not checking for every component, you set it up once, and then it uses that setting for as long as every component is working fine.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong but I have a UEFI bios and Win 8.1 on a SSD and it definitely doesn't boot that fast...

 

[iceatcs]

Lol nice fake meltdown on first few pages.

If that's it then that will be improvement by patch because it is all software.

 

[Brad Grenz]

But that wasn't the argument, was it? The xbox does have stand by from a consumer's standpoint. How much power it consumes in that state is a different debate, right?

Someone asked a technical question and I gave a technical answer. There is no "argument" being made, I'm just explaining how it works. The Xbox One works differently so the PS4 terminology does not directly apply.

 

[LowEndTorque]

Yes, people are conflating a lot of terms here. To be clear:

Stand By: This is a low power state the PS4 goes into when you are not using it. It is equivalent to sleeping your PC or turning off the screen on your iPhone or tablet. While in this mode the PS4 can still ping your internet connection, download patches, firmware updates or games you've bought remotely through the website or phone app. Stand by will be available at launch.

Multitasking: This is the ability to switch to a different app without having to close a running game. It's like alt-tabbing out of a game on your PC, or hitting the home button on a Vita to check twitter or open the web browser. The game state is preserved exactly so when you switch back you are in exactly the same place and can keep going. PS4 can do this at launch, and even has a feature that lets you double click the PS button to quickly switch between the game and the last app you used.

Suspend/Resume: This is the ability to suspend a game you are playing and put the PS4 into Stand By mode without having to save so the next time you wake up the PS4 you can immediately start playing where you left off without having to relaunch the game or load a save. Like the multitasking feature above it would perfectly preserve your game state even while the system is in the low powered Stand By mode. This is what WILL NOT be available at launch.

And to reiterate - Cold Boot: This is the time it take for your system to boot into the OS from a no power state. You will only experience this the first time you plug in the PS4 and (presumably) whenever a firmware update needs to be installed. In normal use you will be using the Stand By mode to turn your PS4 "off". As such it's not that important how long it takes, just like no one worried about how long a cold boot takes on an iPhone or iPad. If you are experiencing a cold boot it's because the power was inadvertently interrupted, updating the operating system, or recovering from a system crash.

Quoting this again for good measure.

You sir, have won the thread.

 

[viveks86]

Someone asked a technical question and I gave a technical answer. There is no "argument" being made, I'm just explaining how it works. The Xbox One works differently so the PS4 terminology does not directly apply.

Fair enough

 

[roads]

Is SSD confirmed working on the PS4, has any one tried?

 

[MarkMclovin]

Cant believe a thread about something taking 30 seconds to load has reached 5 pages.

 

[spats]

Devastating. This will cause them to lose the console war. They should just recall every unit they've manufactured and cancel the launch.

 

[spwolf]

Pre-ordering my 10 second sandwich.

i expected it to be like 5 minutes once i saw the thread, lol.

 

[Qassim]

More friction.

Disappointing. The slow and clunky operation of the PS360 made me hesitate to bother using them, I was hoping for a huge improvement day 1.

But those features are missing.

 

[Asd202]

It's over Xbone has won .

 

[LiquidSolid]

Just because they both have something called "stand by" does not mean they are equivalent power states. On the Xbox One the main APU is always active. It throttles down and shuts off parts, but it never turns off. On PS4 the main APU goes completely inactive and the custom secondary background processor takes over to manage the system. The challenges of ramping up an active processor versus activating one that is off are completely different.

That's different than what your other post made it sound like (as if there wasn't a low powered state at all) but thanks for the clarification anyway.

 

[Sean*O]

Really needs to be in the OP, it amazes me how complicated people have made this.

Title change seems appropriate. It does suspend resume power and functionality, it just doesn't pause any game and let you pick up exactly where you left off while managing to cut power to the system to a suspend state. That seems like it would be much more complicated to pull off and may be impacted by individual game code.

It'd be awesome if they could do it, but it would probably still eat more power than the standard suspend mode.

 

[B_Boss]

I just turned on my Wii U (patched and everything) and it took 20 seconds. Kinda funny how the Wii U boots faster than the PS4.

30 seconds ain't a lot, but I expected better.

Well you're talking very different Hardware/Software architecture and design. The NES even loads faster than the WiiU, etc.