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Anybody test Remote Play over the Internet yet?
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jacob armitage
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Ill be testing it at work tomorrow evening, though the connection there isn't always great.
MikeE21286
Member
Yeah that was really well do e IMO
plasmawave
Banned
This dude tried the remote play from his work to his home using the power of internet. There's lag but it works.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCs1CFkbB2Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCs1CFkbB2Q
gift of 100 gab
Member
^seems to work surprisingly well though obviously a lot of different variables will factor in with how well it will work for other situations. Still, such a great thing for those that get this to work relatively lag free.
I'm trying it right now but it won't connect to my PS4. I did remote play in my house last night to test but doesn't seem to want to work now. Bummer
Remote play to my PS3 works fine right now so unless they are using different ports not sure what's going on
edit: in a post further down I stated it started working after trying again. Think it was my internet at home flaking out as I couldn't remote into my home computer for a bit
Remote play to my PS3 works fine right now so unless they are using different ports not sure what's going on
edit: in a post further down I stated it started working after trying again. Think it was my internet at home flaking out as I couldn't remote into my home computer for a bit
Maybe you have to enable UPnP or some type of port forwarding?
IAmRandom31
Banned
oh yes OH YESSSS
First thing I am doing is going outside, sitting in the front lawn and seeing how the connection is. Then going to work with the Vita and seeing if a fast game like Res0gun is playable at work. If it is. Oh my.
Yeah mine works nothing like that and I'm sitting next to the system on the same network. What am I doing wrong here?
Shai-Tan
Banned
I wouldn't want to play an action game even with 10 to 15ms (which you can get easily if both connections are in the same city and the routing doesn't go all over the place) but I'm sure it's fine with some types of games if you have the right conditions. Remember that the latency doesn't just apply to the video it also applies to the input which is responding to that delayed video. Even small delays can make a difference to the feeling of responsiveness. Wi-Fi can itself introduce 5-10 ms on top of the latency over the wire even with a solid signal.
So I tried it again and it just worked!
So here on my stats
4mbps upload at home, 6mbps download at work (me and one employee share the connection).
When the feed is coming in the quality is pretty good. It's stuttered a couple of times. Unfortunately the Vita won't let me take a screen shot to show quality. I'll update shortly after this cutscene in Killzone is finished to give an idea on latency
Edit: Just played some Killzone. Unfortunately latency is noticeable in the game. If I would have to guess its probably probably over 100ms latency. It's playable just barely but I would cross off any kind of multiplayer gaming. Also I did do remote play at home last night to test it and even when connected through the router the quality and responsiveness is amazing
mcdomination
Member
You need to go into the PS4 settings and enable the direct connection option for remote play.
Shai-Tan
Banned
Also the Vita operates over 2.4ghz. If you live in an apartment all the routers can be overlapping in ways that kill throughput. It would work best if there is a clear channel for either the AP or PS4. Unfortunately the Vita doesn't support 5ghz as an alternative under bad 2.4ghz conditions.
Distance can also figure a lot. In the network settings of the Vita you can see the signal strength listed. More ideal would be to run a Wi-Fi analyzer (on Android the one I use is literally named Wi-Fi Analyzer)
I did. It's a stuttering mess that drops connection.
sweet, certain genres would totally work
How many wireless networks do you have in your place? If you look up via a computer or iPad or whatever? Do you have the PS4 plugged in with Ethernet or wireless?
Boss Man
Member
I can't tell how bad the lag is. I'll assume it's in the same ballpark as the old local Remote Play for PSP?
Not sure if this is something that will get better any time soon. I mean, even with a better pair of connections (source and destination) there's a lot going on in between that will probably still keep the lag present.
I'm super excited about how well local remote play works though. I really didn't expect them to improve it much, much less have it virtually lag free. I'll be buying a Vita for this feature alone eventually. It's pretty impressive.
Not sure if this is something that will get better any time soon. I mean, even with a better pair of connections (source and destination) there's a lot going on in between that will probably still keep the lag present.
I'm super excited about how well local remote play works though. I really didn't expect them to improve it much, much less have it virtually lag free. I'll be buying a Vita for this feature alone eventually. It's pretty impressive.
I'd like to know the bandwidth needed for the remote play. Doesn't look like much compression is used, at least from videos I have seen. I'm guessing the average home upload speed is 10Mbps. Another question is how would you make such home VPN accessible to the Vita. You would have to have some sort of wireless access point that supports your VPN flavor, maybe wifi ad hoc from a laptop? Then again if IPsec is used it would probably slow down the connection even more.....oh boy this is getting too complicated.
tensuke
Member
I would probably say a baseline of 5Mbps up at home / 5Mbps down in remote location (in addition to low network saturation in both) would be needed for a fairly decent experience. I wouldn't expect much out of anything less than that for either though. Guess I'll find out later today though. 
Still, it's neat that it's even an option (and has been with PS3 even with how bad local RP was), because I suspect there will be a good many people with the connections to make use of it, and that number should grow over the years as high speed bandwidth becomes more and more common. I'd like to see RP over the internet from someone with Google Fiber at home, don't think you can get much better than that.
Of course, Vita doesn't have ethernet, so it's limited by 802.11n bandwidth, but Vita TV does...
Still, it's neat that it's even an option (and has been with PS3 even with how bad local RP was), because I suspect there will be a good many people with the connections to make use of it, and that number should grow over the years as high speed bandwidth becomes more and more common. I'd like to see RP over the internet from someone with Google Fiber at home, don't think you can get much better than that.
Of course, Vita doesn't have ethernet, so it's limited by 802.11n bandwidth, but Vita TV does...-Does PS4 have to be on to take advantage of Remote Play?
Yes. But PS Vita can remotely wake up PS4 when in standby mode, as long as this feature is activated in the Power Settings menu on PS4.
From the user manual, did you set up turning your ps4 on with your vita when it's in standby mode? And is it in standby mode?
I would probably say a baseline of 5Mbps up at home / 5Mbps down in remote location (in addition to low network saturation in both) would be needed for a fairly decent experience. I wouldn't expect much out of anything less than that for either though. Guess I'll find out later today though.
Still, it's neat that it's even an option (and has been with PS3 even with how bad local RP was), because I suspect there will be a good many people with the connections to make use of it, and that number should grow over the years as high speed bandwidth becomes more and more common. I'd like to see RP over the internet from someone with Google Fiber at home, don't think you can get much better than that.
Imagine if your workplace and your home were on google fiber. Latency I'd imagine would be heavenly.
Compared to my experience with remote play on the PS3 (shadow of the colossus) I would say they'eve improved it on the PS4. I may end up wiring my PS4 this weekend to test it out to see how much of a improvement it is over LAN opposed to wifi.
Seriously? Awesome news. What's your up down on both ends?
legacyzero
Banned
I can see this working for games that don't require any reflex. IE turn based rpgs, etc.
SHOOTERS? No lol
SHOOTERS? No lol
Phawx
Member
Usually my upstairs neighbors shows a weak signal. (Townhouse, where they are stacked ontop of each other)
Try this or something similar: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer&hl=en
Then maybe change your wifi to a different channel - maybe it's the same as the PS4 direct connection.
Home connection:
Office (guest) connection:
5down/2up ish
The difference between your office and home connections is absurd. So you can get away with only 5 mbps up/down like someone above said? Nice. What game are you playing over it?
Edit: And 9 ms ping? That's probably the most important detail.
Phawx
Member
Yea, my office guest connection is flakey. Regarding latency, it's kind of iffy. For the most part, it will be very in sync but every now and again though latency feels like 200ms~.
Also I think I broke my PS4 at home from showing everyone at the office. I kept flipping back and forth between Vita and Remote play and now I'm getting Error: C2-15714-B
Edit:
Just did a speed test on my Office guest now:
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Tried the Internet mode while sitting right next to the PS4 and it lagged pretty badly. Can't see ever using it, even with a turn-based game since it made the menus hard to navigate as well. Direct connection to the PS4 worked great though.
Playing Killzone right now, and yes it does work. But I am noticing the lag once the action starts is kind of terrible. I'm going to play for little bit longer to see if it changes, but I doubt that this is an option for multiplayer at least Shooters.
Edit: On second thought, I'm not sure if it's lag, or just the screen size. It seems to be working just fine now that I've been playing for a few minutes. The screen size is just too small to play a game like Killzone multiplayer. But it gives me really great hope for when Vita TV comes around. Technology is the same, and I've gotta say this is unbelievably cool.
Edit: On second thought, I'm not sure if it's lag, or just the screen size. It seems to be working just fine now that I've been playing for a few minutes. The screen size is just too small to play a game like Killzone multiplayer. But it gives me really great hope for when Vita TV comes around. Technology is the same, and I've gotta say this is unbelievably cool.
Is your PS4 connected to the router with LAN cable?
Very interested in seeing more user experiences with Remote Play. The off screen mode on the Wii U is one of my favorite features of the system. It made it far more convenient to be able to play video games, especially when the tv was already being used by someone else in the household. I would love to be able to play PS4 games on the vita in the same manner. What is the range for direct connection mode? My router isn't the best at home, and I have concerns of it being able to handle the regular/network mode reliably.
I don't own a PS4 now, but will be looking into buying one sometime next year.
I don't own a PS4 now, but will be looking into buying one sometime next year.
Lol first time I've seen someone with a higher connection at home.Home connection:
Office (guest) connection:
5down/2up ish
Shai-Tan
Banned
I would probably say a baseline of 5Mbps up at home / 5Mbps down in remote location (in addition to low network saturation in both) would be needed for a fairly decent experience. I wouldn't expect much out of anything less than that for either though. Guess I'll find out later today though.
h264 at Vita resolution probably wouldn't require that much. I kind of wish I had a ps4 to test (it would be simple to look at over trafshow)
Office I work at still runs on a T1 line. 1.5mb up/down... fuck yeah...
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
No. Probably would work much better if that was the case, but oh well. All I want is the ability to play PS4 games while lying on the bed on a different floor of my house & the direct PS4 -> Vita mode works just fine for that.