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[sonycowboy]

I know that NPD Canada for November was posted, but some of the Canada numbers floating around last month from October were fake. Also, given how big and how quickly the NPD threads can move, it could easily have been missed by many.

Many thanks to NPD Canada.


In any case, here they are:

[b]October NPD[/b]

[B]Hardware		Oct'07[/B]
Nintendo DS	60k
PS2		20k
GBA		5k
Xbox 360		39k
Wii		55k
PSP		21k
PS3		22k

[B]Top 10 Video Games - Oct 2007	[/B]
	
NDS LEGEND OF ZELDA: PHANTOM HOURGLASS	38k
360 HALO 3	36k
360 GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK W/ GUITAR	31k
PS2 GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK W/ GUITAR	28k
WII PLAY W/ REMOTE	25k
360 HALF LIFE 2: EPISODE 2 THE ORANGE BOX	16k
WII GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK W/ GUITAR	16k
PS2 NHL 08	15k
360 GUITAR HERO 2 W/ GUITAR	15k
360 NHL 08	15k




[B]Top 10 Video Games - Calendar YTD 2007[/B]		
		Units
		
WII PLAY W/ REMOTE	213k
360 HALO 3	171k
NDS POKEMON DIAMOND VERSION	130k
XBX VALUE PACK	117k
NDS POKEMON PEARL VERSION	98k
360 GUITAR HERO 2 W/ GUITAR	91k
NDS NEW SUPER MARIO BROS	91k
PS2 GUITAR HERO 2 W/GUITAR	90k
PS2 VALUE PACK	87k
WII LEGEND OF ZELDA: TWILIGHT PRINCESS	85k

[b]November NPD[/b]

[B]Hardware		Nov'07[/B]
Nintendo DS		120k
PS2		30k
GBA		4k
Xbox 360		59k
Wii		82k
PSP		33k
PS3		51k

[B]Top 10 Video Games - Nov 2007[/B]		
		Units
WII SUPER MARIO GALAXY		94k
PS2 GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK W/ GUITAR		82k
360 CALL OF DUTY 4: MODERN WARFARE		78k
360 ASSASSIN'S CREED		60k
WII PLAY W/ REMOTE		51k
360 GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK W/ WIRELESS GUITAR		32k
360 MASS EFFECT		30k
PS3 CALL OF DUTY 4: MODERN WARFARE		30k
PS3 ASSASSIN'S CREED		26k
360 HALO 3		26k

 

[pooteeweet]

Your October and YTD numbers are the same.

Edit: fixt.

 

[Sage00]

What's the Xbox value pack?

 

[Oblivion]

Wow, those are some good numbers for NSMB and Zelda. Thanks, SC.

edit: Aww.

 

[kassatsu]

PS3 and 360 almost crossed streams in November

Uncharted lives up to the name again.

 

[Christine]

NDS NEW SUPER MARIO BROS 91k
PS2 GUITAR HERO 2 W/GUITAR 90k

Damn and Damn.

 

[sonycowboy]

Your October and YTD numbers are the same.

Fixed

 

[rage1973]

PS3 and 360 almost crossed streams in November

Uncharted lives up to the name again.

Just shows you how price sensitive the markets are.
In canada the 360 Premium and 40G PS3 are same price.
Xbox 360 is long due for a price cut in all regions to drive up some sales after the holiday season is over.

 

[Culex]

Looks as though MS is really going to lose no. 1 spot in NA hardware soon.

 

[donny2112]

PS3 did much better in Canada for October vs. September than for the U.S.

Thanks!

 

[Hcoregamer00]

Looks as though MS is really going to lose no. 1 spot in NA hardware soon.

Well, NPD December should be very interesting because of the Wii shortages.

Unless Nintendo has been stockpiling an insane amount of consoles, the XBOX 360 will likely inch close to Nintendo in December.

2008 and beyond is all speculation.

 

[donny2112]

Looks as though MS is really going to lose no. 1 spot in NA hardware soon.

LTDs by the numbers I'm using for Canada + U.S. (i.e. Canada has a few guestimated entries):

360 - 8.5 million
WII - 6.6 million
PS3 - 2.6 million

 

[Mrbob]

What's the Xbox value pack?

I think I've seen it in stores. Has 3 kids games bundled together like cars and two others.

 

[Culex]

LTDs by the numbers I'm using for Canada + U.S. (i.e. Canada has a few guestimated entries):

360 - 8.5 million
WII - 6.6 million
PS3 - 2.6 million

1.9 million is really possible to get erased by the end of next year, I'm betting.

 

[Satter]

PS3 and 360 are pretty close for Nov.

 

[donny2112]

1.9 million is really possible to get erased by the end of next year, I'm betting.

YTD numbers, same note as above:

WII - 5.4 million
360 - 3.6 million
PS3 - 1.9 million

Therefore if 2008 plays out like 2007, WII should pass 360 for U.S.+ Canada by the end of next year. Back in June, I had guessed that WII would pass 360 in the U.S. around March 2009, so that would push up the takeover date by a few months.

 

[sonycowboy]

LTDs by the numbers I'm using for Canada + U.S. (i.e. Canada has a few guestimated entries):

360 - 8.5 million
WII - 6.6 million
PS3 - 2.6 million

Why guess??

NPD Canada LTD

Nintendo DS	1128k
PS2		2576k
GBA		2208k
Xbox 360		600k
Wii		560k
PSP		557k
PS3		211k

 

[CitizenCope]

My monthly contribution to the Canada NPD.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PQvc4BMM2xM

 

[pooteeweet]

Why guess??

NPD Canada LTD

Nintendo DS	1128k
PS2		2576k
GBA		2208k
Xbox 360		600k
Wii		560k
PSP		557k
PS3		211k

Nice get. Thanks to theguy.

 

[schuelma]

LTDs by the numbers I'm using for Canada + U.S. (i.e. Canada has a few guestimated entries):

360 - 8.5 million
WII - 6.6 million
PS3 - 2.6 million

Ahh that makes me feel good- I'm pretty much right with you.

 

[beerbelly]

360 user base is 3.15 times more than PS3 in NA. That is pretty good.

corrected

 

[donny2112]

Why guess??

Great and thanks!

Since NPD started tracking Canada sometime after GCN and XBX launched, did they go back and extrapolate GCN and XBX total hardware, too?

 

[schuelma]

donny- do you have official U.S NPD LTD handy?

 

[donny2112]

donny- do you have official U.S NPD LTD handy?

The combined total changes to:

360 - 8.5 million
WII - 6.6 million
PS3 - 2.7 million

I was only a few K off before with Canada, so the PS3 number, right at a rounding point, is the only one to change.

 

[Beer Monkey]

PS3 price cut had a more pronounced effect in Canada.

 

[AlphaTwo00]

PS3 price cut had a more pronounced effect in Canada.

PS3 price drop was bigger in Canada. $160 drop, coupled with the Canadian Dollar rising.

It's a combination of factors.

 

[NolbertoS]

Good news for Canada, we are starting to see the Consoles here go down in price and be the same price ad the US equivalents. Nevertheless, after you factor in taxes in Canada compared to the USA, still cheaper to buy games and consoles in the States. Yes, I know that fuel costs could be added to one's total budget of how much you spent on tracking the games and buying them, but overall the USA is the mecca of cheap games and consoles.

 

[davepoobond]

PS3 price drop was bigger in Canada. $160 drop, coupled with the Canadian Dollar rising.

It's a combination of factors.

so sony loses, right?

 

[AlphaTwo00]

so sony loses, right?

Hey, a unit sold is a unit sold. Now they just need all these owners to buy some games.

 

[Grayman]

PS3 price drop was bigger in Canada. $160 drop, coupled with the Canadian Dollar rising.

It's a combination of factors.

Also we are used to an expense 60 cent dollar PS2 launch so i think many canadians are willing to pay 400-500 for a console.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Very cool to get complete Oct/Nov and LTD for another territory. NPD has been great at providing data this year. Thanks to theguy.

 

[Fuzzy]

Why guess??

NPD Canada LTD

Nintendo DS	1128k
PS2		2576k
GBA		2208k
Xbox 360		600k
Wii		560k
PSP		557k
PS3		211k

I knew if I kept asking we'd see this. Thanks to theguy!

 

[OldJadedGamer]

I haven't kept up with Canadian NPD, only US but is this the first time that PS3 has outsold the PS2 up north?

 

[Flakster99]

Nice sales for all consoles and you bet your ass the price cut for the PS3 helped immensely. Happy to see my fellow Canadians spread the love.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Thanks for the data, here is a counted up tally from the Euro hardware thread, the 12/3 - 12/9 Media Create Thread, and this own thread.


North America

8.5 million 360
6.6 million Wii
2.7 million PS3

Japan
482k 360
4.06 million Wii
1.46 million PS3

Europe
3.06 million Wii
2.54 million 360
1.29 million PS3

WW LTD (roughly, in millions)

11.52 360's
13.72 Wii's
5.45 PS3's


One can easily see that North America adopts new systems at a much higher rate than either Japan or Europe.

Wii's selling like crazy. Looking at that number is just astounding. It only took them one year, of which they were supply constrained through nearly all of it, to sell more than 13 million consoles...in one year...yeppers.

360 selling decently, of course, and PS3's 5 million+ worldwide through 1 year is pretty interesting seeing as how crazy its launch was, what with reported in-line robberies, 24 hour lineups, and massive shortages.

 

[Fuzzy]

I haven't kept up with Canadian NPD, only US but is this the first time that PS3 has outsold the PS2 up north?

Yes.


The PS3 LTD seems strange to me, that means it sold 16-17K in March. That's a lot higher than I would've guessed based on how it did compared to the other five months in the first half of the year. Can we get the other HW numbers for March?

 

[Mojovonio]

we're Sonyland now too?

 

[DiddyBop]

lookin at the wolrdwide LTD,the ps3 isnt in such bad shape. 6 mill sold when december is all said and done,360 will be at 12 mill. the 360 had a full yr head start and the ps3 seems to be keeping pace,this is at a higher price point too. 360 got NA on lock but everywhere else is pretty much up for grabs. this is for 2nd place mind you,the wii is too far ahead to be tlaking about #1 at the moment

 

[Xirj]

It's not at a higher price point in Canada, both the premium and 40gb PS3 are 399CAD. Microsoft Canada is really dropping the ball on this, as at 350CAD and the two packed in games it would obviously have been a better deal in the general consumers eyes.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Europe
3.06 million Wii
2.54 million 360
1.29 million PS3

Where did these figures come from? (Can't find the "Euro hardware thread".) I haven't seen complete Europe numbers listed before. Do they include all Pal territories, like Australia?

 

[vilmer_]

I contributed to the sales.

 

[phez]

GBA 2208k

hm. look at that.

 

[AlphaTwo00]

It's not at a higher price point in Canada, both the premium and 40gb PS3 are 399CAD. Microsoft Canada is really dropping the ball on this, as at 350CAD and the two packed in games it would obviously have been a better deal in the general consumers eyes.

That's definitely the bigger story. I know more than a handful of people who just hopped over the boarder for their 360 instead. Why pay a $50-$100 premium because MS doesn't feel like parity pricing?

 

[Firestorm]

holy crap ltd numbers.
Still no GCN or XBX though? Come onnn lay the feud to rest

 

[Robert R1]

What was 360LTD at October 2006 NPD?

 

[Dalthien]

holy crap ltd numbers.
Still no GCN or XBX though? Come onnn lay the feud to rest

The problem is that NPD launched its Canadian tracking service in 2004, with its first report being data for Dec. 2003. At that time they also gathered information going back about a year prior, and provided historical data going back to Oct. 2002. So as far as I know, there are no numbers prior to Oct/02, which means that about a year of sales would be missing for both GCN and XBX. It's possible that NPD put together a very rough estimate for sales going back further than Oct/02 just to get a complete LTD number, but I have never heard anything that would support that notion, and even if they did, any numbers prior to Oct/02 would be very iffy at best anyway, since NPD wasn't actually tracking any data at that time.

What I can tell you from news articles printed back during those years is this:

2003: GCN > XBX
2004: XBX > GCN
2005: GCN > XBX

Also, at that time, there was a news article which stated that by the end of 2005, GCN LTD had surpassed XBX LTD in Canada, and with the XBX being killed at the end of 2005, GCN surely outsold XBX in 2006 as well. But as I said, the first NPD data was collected for Dec/03, with historical data being provided back to Oct/02, so the first year of sales for each system would be missing.



Likewise, the PS2 and GBA totals which Sonycowboy provided (thanks SC!) should probably only be from Oct/02 until now. I suspect that the months before Oct/02 would be missing from those totals. Unless, as I said, NPD threw together a rough LTD estimate from launch, but any data before Oct/02 would be highly questionable anyway.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Where did these figures come from? (Can't find the "Euro hardware thread".) I haven't seen complete Europe numbers listed before. Do they include all Pal territories, like Australia?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=215534

Not complete Euro numbers, but as close as we are going to get for a while...

 

[Mithos Yggdrasill]

These DS crazy numbers are almost everywhere...

 

[Zzoram]

For Canada's December NPD

+1 Wii
+1 Wii Play

for me. My inner consumer whore couldn't resist given the opportunity, seeing how people are lining up for it every day hoping to catch one of the seemingly random Wii shipments :lol

 

[Phife Dawg]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=215534

Not complete Euro numbers, but as close as we are going to get for a while...

While that is true, the thread isn't accurate even with the limited numbers we have.

For instance we have confirmation that Wii beat 360's LTD in UK, which should be well over a million too. The thread has Wii in UK at 1.19 and 360 at 1.55 - as mentioned above that's not possible. If that 360 number is correct Wii is at 1.55+.

Then there's no real source for Spain's numbers.

Using these totals is a bit...problematic.