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[Deuterium]

such maths
much fail

This is terrible analysis. Reviewers are self selecting and sample size is too small. Try again.

What is WRONG with you people. I specifically acknowledged that the analysis was non-scientific. Furthermore, I was not factoring in the "number" of PS4 units sold world-wide. I was simply comparing the percentage of negative (defective units) reviews on Amazon as compared to the positive ones. That's it. I thought I made that very clear in my original post.

 

[Thomas_Daly]

Just posting my Amazon experience. Console has been working fine. I used the HDMI cable I had for my PS3 and I haven't set up an account/downloaded the update yet though. I did put in Killzone and installed the updated it required. My heart sank a little because after the console reboot it stayed stuck at the blue pulsating light. I held the power button down for about 10 seconds to shut it off and then after turning it on again it went into safe mode and did it's thing. It's been working fine ever since. There are a few blemishes on the console though. Nothing major and purely cosmetic but still noticeable (maybe something happened during the molding process). Overall it doesn't really bother me.

I don't see why you should settle for ok return that ps4

 

[Y2Kev]

This thread is making me nervous. My Amazon PS4 arrived yesterday but went straight to the closet as it's a Christmas present from my wife.

I really don't want to open it, but I don't want to find out in a month that it's defective.

I don't have any games yet. Would I be able to tell without putting a disc in?

Yes. If your unit is DoA it won't even display a video signal.

 

[Coxy]

stuff

you just made a thread and got it locked, you should take that as a sign there's little merit in trying to use the amazon reviews to gauge numbers

 

[FryHole]

What is WRONG with you people. I specifically acknowledged that the analysis was non-scientific. Furthermore, I was not factoring in the "number" of PS4 units sold world-wide. I was simply comparing the percentage of negative (defective units) reviews on Amazon as compared to the positive ones. That's it. I thought I made that very clear in my original post.

You 'calculated' a 'failure rate'.

The moment you acknowledge all the flaws in that calculation it becomes obvious that it's utterly, utterly pointless.

 

[jergrah]

Myself + 3 close friends all got ours from Amazon. 1 DOA and 1 that had a rough time coming up after the 1.5 patch but seems to be okay now .

Fortunately mine was fine with no issues.

 

[perorist]

What is WRONG with you people. I specifically acknowledged that the analysis was non-scientific. Furthermore, I was not factoring in the "number" of PS4 units sold world-wide. I was simply comparing the percentage of negative (defective units) reviews on Amazon as compared to the positive ones. That's it. I thought I made that very clear in my original post.

It's not about being scientific, it's about your metrics not making any logical sense for use as a calculation.

How many working consoles/games/products have you bought in your lifetime? How many of those have you gone out of your way to write an amazon review for just to say you were happy with your product and confirmed it's working?

People whose consoles are working aren't posting reviews. People who are pissed off their consoles aren't working are. If 50,000 reviews about faulty hardware popped up, then you would have a case, as 50,000 out of the 200,000 that amazon sold would be a 25% failure rate regardless of how many positive reviews there are.

As it is right now the number of positive reviews has no merit in helping determining any rate of failure unless it's representative of the whole.

 

[Neff]

My PS4 came packed just like all the others.

I do believe that the packaging should have had support on all sides. Unfortunate mistake by Amazon to not instruct warehouses on packaging this stuff.

THAT BEING SAID - most things I order that come in similar boxes to the PS4's are packed that way. The vidcard I ordered was at the bottom of a box with packing on two sides and the top. Banged up box, too. Luckily it works.

To be fair, electronics from any reputable manufacturer are packed at their end extremely well. Sony's stuff can certainly take a knock or two before you unpack it. The vast majority of retailers use cheap, minimal packaging for that reason. Your Amazon box is for privacy and cosmetic protection more than preventing damage to the goods themselves. Any damage blame goes first to the manufacturer, unless they can prove it was down to the retailer or courier.

But I agree that some make substandard efforts (Amazon included) when it comes to packaging, and with something like PS4, should make that extra effort. My Wii U from them last year was great. Nice, big strong box. But I've had some sloppy ones from them lately as well.

 

[system11]

What is WRONG with you people. I specifically acknowledged that the analysis was non-scientific. Furthermore, I was not factoring in the "number" of PS4 units sold world-wide. I was simply comparing the percentage of negative (defective units) reviews on Amazon as compared to the positive ones. That's it. I thought I made that very clear in my original post.

The worst statistics are the irresponsible ones. The comparison was clearly without value to begin with.

 

[jaaz]

The worst statistics are the irresponsible ones. The comparison was clearly without value to begin with.

Yep, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing...

 

[Ezzme]

My unit is working like a charm but my PS4 box was not so good looking when I took it out of the shipping box. Had a few dents and dings, as well as a fold out of place. I was extremely worried that it has been banged around a bit. But luckily it's working fine and I've had no issues so far.

The failure rate is very small, it's just with the prevalence of social media it's become a bigger story than it should have. We have to remember the last time we had a console launch from Sony and MS was 7 years ago, way before twitter and facebook and other social media sites were as big as they are today. Everyone has a camera and a voice but now they have places to have them heard and seen with ease.

I'm sure that if every working PS4 owner were to make his/her own thread about it working perfectly fine the difference between those DOA and those working fine would be shifted immensely. But people who have something work normally aren't ones to say anything about it. And I do kind of find it silly that we're taking amazon ratings and complaints as a barometer for defective %'s. If you remember there were at least 2 Apple products with similar media blow outs that in the end were again a smaller % of users than you would think considering how big of a deal the media made it out to be.

The same thing is happening here, sites like IGN push out a new article for clicks and ended up causing panic and confusion despite this being a normal and expected thing. For those with faulty PS4's I feel sorry for you and it does suck. But you're a casualty to %'s when you buy the first run of a mass produced product like this.

 

[Naminator]

Searched and not sure if it was posted, but has this rumor been debunked?

http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/f...e-bad-ps4-consoles-thee-months-ago.453522435/

This was one of the first things that ran across my mind when I saw this hardware failure fallout.

Those interns are essentially slave laborers who are trapped there, since the system is setup in such a way that if they don't finish their internship they will not get enough credits to graduate.

So could some of the decided to go "Oooops did I just bend that HDMI port pin, ohhh well, shit happens".

Ohhh and as for this entire thread and all the people blaming this on Amazon packaging or UPS, you people are sad!

 

[Revengineer]

To be fair, electronics from any reputable manufacturer are packed at their end extremely well. Sony's stuff can certainly take a knock or two before you unpack it. The vast majority of retailers use cheap, minimal packaging for that reason. Your Amazon box is for privacy and cosmetic protection more than preventing damage to the goods themselves. Any damage blame goes first to the manufacturer, unless they can prove it was down to the retailer or courier.

But I agree that some make substandard efforts (Amazon included) when it comes to packaging, and with something like PS4, should make that extra effort. My Wii U from them last year was great. Nice, big strong box. But I've had some sloppy ones from them lately as well.

I don't know about making extra effort for PS4 only. What about video cards that cost MORE than a PS4? What about those $500+ SSDs (granted those probably won't arrive DOA from mispackaging since they're completely stationary builds)?

But point well-taken. And I do think the PS4 packaging itself is good quality. They should've used a tough foam for the sides of the unit rather than cardboard, but the cardboard is designed to give in a similar fashion to a foam due to the folds.

Example of what I'm talking about:

 

[jmood88]

Have the people who know that the UPS drivers are throwing their boxes called UPS to complain? I wouldn't just let that slide, especially with expensive hardware.

 

[pelicansurf]

PS4 get! From amazon, packaged perfectly with bubble wrap on both sides w/ fragile tags all over the box.

 

[Jonsoncao]

What is WRONG with you people. I specifically acknowledged that the analysis was non-scientific. Furthermore, I was not factoring in the "number" of PS4 units sold world-wide. I was simply comparing the percentage of negative (defective units) reviews on Amazon as compared to the positive ones. That's it. I thought I made that very clear in my original post.

He can't use math or any scientific evidence to prove your hypothesis fails, relax.

 

[Atilac]

PS4 failure rate much greater than initially reported by SONY??

First, here is the direct link to find the latest, most up-to-date reviews:

http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-4-...DateDescending

Okay, the reason for the question mark is obvious....
Currently, the number of 1 star (lowest rating) implies a failure rate much greater than 0.4%.

We cannot presume that all the one-star, negative reviews necessarily correlate with actual problem/defective units. Nevertheless, at the time of this post, the lowest (one-star), negative reviews stand at 64% ( 333 / 518).

Whatever the motivation behind the reasons for the number of negative reviews, it seems quite implausible that the defective/failure rate is only 0.4%, as initially reported by SONY.

Heck, even taking only 1 out of 10 of the negative votes to be truly caused by defective units, that results in:

33/ 518 = 6%

Which is above the average for failure rates for modern consumer electronics.

Hopefully this turns out to be an issue specific to a certain LOT and manufacturing site.

You do realize that people with a working unit don't scream from the rafters that it works? Customers tend to share negative situations and purchases far more than positive ones. this is the first real console launch in the age of social media, it's making a mountain out a mole hill of a very low defective rate. These attempts by some to paint some sort of parity between the 360 red ring of death and the PS4's launch are pathetic and disingenuous. There is no major problem, and that Amazon rep was speaking out of their ass - they wouldn't be privy to that sort of knowledge, and if they did they wouldn't casually speak of it for fear of impacting sales or damaging their relationship with sony.

 

[Deuterium]

The worst statistics are the irresponsible ones. The comparison was clearly without value to begin with.

Well...don't I feel appropriately embarrassed (NOT).

I wonder how better I could have explained the limitations of my original observation/analysis.

Despite what I thought were more than adequate disclaimers, in my original post, it seems like you partisan fan-boys will stop at nothing to critique any possible post that may be interpreted negatively by a certain faction. Whatever.

This was NOT about schadenfreude, this was about the observation of some interesting reports and trends on Amazon.

 

[fastford58]

Well...don't I feel appropriately embarrassed (NOT).

I wonder how better I could have explained the limitations of my original observation/analysis.

Despite what I thought were more than adequate disclaimers, in my original post, it seems like you partisan fan-boys will stop at nothing to critique any possible post that may be interpreted negatively by a certain faction. Whatever.

This was NOT about schadenfreude, this was about the observation of some interesting reports and trends on Amazon.

I got an idea. How about you stop it? Alrighty then.

 

[FryHole]

Well...don't I feel appropriately embarrassed (NOT).

I wonder how better I could have explained the limitations of my original observation/analysis.

Despite what I thought were more than adequate disclaimers, in my original post, it seems like you partisan fan-boys will stop at nothing to critique any possible post that may be interpreted negatively by a certain faction. Whatever.

This was NOT about schadenfreude, this was about the observation of some interesting reports and trends on Amazon.

The only adequate disclaimer would have been 'this is entirely without merit, but here's a number produced by dividing one number by another number. No conclusions can be drawn'. Totally thread worthy.

And believe me, I care more about abuse of statistics than of Sony.

 

[twentytwo22]

Mine came from Amazon. Works great. Very happy.

 

[onipex]

Thought it was trolls but even some of the 3 and 4 star reviews are about hardware issues or bad packing from Amazon.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Well...don't I feel appropriately embarrassed (NOT).

I wonder how better I could have explained the limitations of my original observation/analysis.

Despite what I thought were more than adequate disclaimers, in my original post, it seems like you partisan fan-boys will stop at nothing to critique any possible post that may be interpreted negatively by a certain faction. Whatever.

This was NOT about schadenfreude, this was about the observation of some interesting reports and trends on Amazon.

Your definitions of "interesting" don't necessarily apply to the rest of the board.
What we saw was a completely knee-jerk thread with a ridiculous title (50% failure rate hurr durr!), accompanied with the most flawed reasoning you can imagine. It got rightfully locked, and your reasoning is just as ridiculous in this thread, so you're getting called out on it.

You can keep your disclaimers to yourself if all you do is spread complete nonsense, my friend.

 

[DoomGyver]

Mine had a crapload of bubble packs in it on all sides, I also picked mine up at the UPS Center so it didn't bounce around in the UPS truck for 8 hours.

 

[LowSignal]

The WiFi stopped working on mine after I turned it off while waiting over an hour for it to connect to my PSN ID during the initial setup.After messing with it for a while and plugging it directly into the router I got the WiFi working again.

 

[Ephemeris]

Still haven't received mine as of yet from Amazon.

 

[Deuterium]

Your definitions of "interesting" don't necessarily apply to the rest of the board.
What we saw was a completely knee-jerk thread with a ridiculous title (50% failure rate hurr durr!), accompanied with the most flawed reasoning you can imagine. It got rightfully locked, and your reasoning is just as ridiculous in this thread, so you're getting called out on it.

You can keep your disclaimers to yourself if all you do is spread complete nonsense, my friend.

I thank you for the kind words...at least that is how I take them. Despite what appears to be general consensus so far, it wasn't my intent to cause a bunch of heartburn or bad-feelings. I thought I made it perfectly clear, in my original post, that my "observation" was completely based upon the current Amazon ratings...and all the deficiencies inherent in using that information.

And here I thought I GAF was an forum for open discussion of both "facts" as well as "opinions"...much less what I considered to be a rather neutral observation on available Amazon reports.

 

[frankiedigital]

Well...don't I feel appropriately embarrassed (NOT).

I wonder how better I could have explained the limitations of my original observation/analysis.

Despite what I thought were more than adequate disclaimers, in my original post, it seems like you partisan fan-boys will stop at nothing to critique any possible post that may be interpreted negatively by a certain faction. Whatever.

This was NOT about schadenfreude, this was about the observation of some interesting reports and trends on Amazon.

I don't comment often, but I will make an exception to say that you should probably do the same.

 

[Mike Works]

PS4 failure rate much greater than initially reported by SONY??

First, here is the direct link to a Google Image Search of "PS4 Broken"

https://www.google.ca/search?q=ps4+...GSyQHRqoCgBQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=988

Okay, the reason for the question mark is obvious....
Currently, the number of broken PS4's on the first page implies a failure rate much greater than 0.4%.

We cannot presume that all the broken PS4 images necessarily correlate with actual problem/defective units. Nevertheless, let's do that anyway. At the time of this post, the number of broken PS4 images (including the system on fire and the exploding Dual Shock) in the first three rows is 5 out of 19 (and 5 x 19 = 95, which is close to 100%).

Whatever the motivation behind the reasons for the number of negative pictures, it seems quite implausible that the defective/failure rate is only 0.4%, as initially reported by SONY.

Heck, even taking only 1 out of 19 of the negative pictures to be truly caused by defective units, that results in:

Sega 32x / Nintendo 64 = NEGATIVE 100%

Which is above the average for failure rates for modern consumer electronics, which I am going to source at the end of this sente

Hopefully this turns out to be an issue specific to a certain LOT and manufacturing site. You fucking fan-boys.

 

[Faithless]

My console came from Amazon.
It was in perfect condition inside of the box inside of the box.
I have had no errors of any kind since starting it up.
I am positioning it vertically.
Consider this a part of the anecdotal evidence that supports a fantastic launch.

 

[Hoo-doo]

I thank you for the kind words...at least that is how I take them. Despite what appears to be general consensus so far, it wasn't my intent to cause a bunch of heartburn or bad-feelings. I thought I made it perfectly clear, in my original post, that my "observation" was completely based upon the current Amazon ratings...and all the deficiencies inherent in using that information.

And here I thought I GAF was an forum for open discussion of both "facts" as well as "opinions"...much less what I considered to be a rather neutral observation on available Amazon reports.

Neutral? When you're the one making baseless threads with titles that include zingers like "PS4 50% failure rate"?

Yeah, nah. And this board is actually very friendly to quality opinions and discussion, but try and substantiate them a little bit instead of doing some preschool math that just makes everyone roll their eyes.

 

[Deuterium]

PS4 failure rate much greater than initially reported by SONY??

First, here is the direct link to a Google Image Search of "PS4 Broken"

https://www.google.ca/search?q=ps4+...GSyQHRqoCgBQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=988

Okay, the reason for the question mark is obvious....
Currently, the number of broken PS4's on the first page implies a failure rate much greater than 0.4%.

We cannot presume that all the broken PS4 images necessarily correlate with actual problem/defective units. Nevertheless, let's do that anyway. At the time of this post, the number of broken PS4 images (including the system on fire and the exploding Dual Shock) in the first three rows is 5 out of 19 (and 5 x 19 = 95, which is close to 100%).

Whatever the motivation behind the reasons for the number of negative pictures, it seems quite implausible that the defective/failure rate is only 0.4%, as initially reported by SONY.

Heck, even taking only 1 out of 19 of the negative pictures to be truly caused by defective units, that results in:

Sega 32x / Nintendo 64 = NEGATIVE 100%

Which is above the average for failure rates for modern consumer electronics, which I am going to source at the end of this sente

Hopefully this turns out to be an issue specific to a certain LOT and manufacturing site. You fucking fan-boys.

Gee...thank you so much for totally misquoting me, and misrepresenting my original post. I wonder how other people feel when you change the wording of their original post's.

 

[Y2Kev]

Sega 32x / Nintendo 64? You forgot you have to multiply BY 3DO and then raise it to the power of X.

 

[SDBurton]

Neutral? When you're the one making baseless threads with titles that include zingers like "PS4 50% failure rate"?

Yeah, nah. And this board is actually very friendly to quality opinions and discussion, but try and substantiate them a little bit instead of doing some preschool math that just makes everyone roll their eyes.

I said damn!

 

[FryHole]

I thank you for the kind words...at least that is how I take them. Despite what appears to be general consensus so far, it wasn't my intent to cause a bunch of heartburn or bad-feelings. I thought I made it perfectly clear, in my original post, that my "observation" was completely based upon the current Amazon ratings...and all the deficiencies inherent in using that information.

And here I thought I GAF was an forum for open discussion of both "facts" as well as "opinions"...much less what I considered to be a rather neutral observation on available Amazon reports.

We're discussing it, aren't we?

Once you've accounted for all the deficiencies in that information, you are left with no information. Certainly nothing you could bung in a calculator.

 

[Fonz72]

My PS4 from Amazon came in a box that was 4 sizes too big with all the extra room taken up by air pillow packing. Outside of the box was a little rough, but no major damage.

Pretty shoddy packing.

The system works well, but the HDMI port was very tight. I wonder how many people having issues just jammed the connector in. Mine took some finessing and it fits very tightly.

 

[XMonkey]

My PS4 from Amazon is working fine so far, no issues to report. Before I even set it up I booted into safe mode and installed the 1.5 update from a USB stick. Had it on for probably 5 hours straight yesterday, playing 3 different games. Haven't tried to download a game or play a Bluray, but disk games worked fine.

 

[Binx]

Just to add to the voice of the vocally happy, my experience with Amazon was great. Great help from CSR to assure my package arrived on Friday, box was perfect, left gently on my front step, unit is perfect.

 

[perorist]

I thank you for the kind words...at least that is how I take them. Despite what appears to be general consensus so far, it wasn't my intent to cause a bunch of heartburn or bad-feelings. I thought I made it perfectly clear, in my original post, that my "observation" was completely based upon the current Amazon ratings...and all the deficiencies inherent in using that information.

And here I thought I GAF was an forum for open discussion of both "facts" as well as "opinions"...much less what I considered to be a rather neutral observation on available Amazon reports.

The available Amazon ratings don't support your observation of 50% or even 6% though.

Let me make a "non-scientific" counter observation just like yours:

There's 581 5-star reviews and 357 1-star reviews right now
Amazon sold 200,000 PS4s so the breakup is this:

199,200 people have working PS4s, 581 of them gave a review
800 people have faulty PS4s, 357 of them gave a review

800 out of 200,000 is 0.4% so it's within Sony's estimates

Based on your logic am I wrong?

 

[Reallink]

Just posting my Amazon experience. Console has been working fine. I used the HDMI cable I had for my PS3 and I haven't set up an account/downloaded the update yet though. I did put in Killzone and installed the updated it required. My heart sank a little because after the console reboot it stayed stuck at the blue pulsating light. I held the power button down for about 10 seconds to shut it off and then after turning it on again it went into safe mode and did it's thing. It's been working fine ever since. There are a few blemishes on the console though. Nothing major and purely cosmetic but still noticeable (maybe something happened during the molding process). Overall it doesn't really bother me.

My Amazon unit has also got these uniformity issues on the matte plastic. Primarily on the top.

 

[Prince Vultan]

So how broken PS4s are we talking out in the wild so far then?

All of them or just most of them?

 

[Roto13]

So how broken PS4s are we talking out in the wild so far then?

All of them or just most of them?

200% of them, it's *awful*

 

[Deuterium]

Neutral? When you're the one making baseless threads with titles that include zingers like "PS4 50% failure rate"?

Yeah, nah. And this board is actually very friendly to quality opinions and discussion, but try and substantiate them a little bit instead of doing some preschool math that just makes everyone roll their eyes.

Did you perhaps actually read the 1-star reviews reported, so far, on Amazon?

If you did, and going by this specific data/information, please explain to me why my observation is in any way of "less quality" than others...especially given the disclaimers I made?

Mind you, I realize it is now futile to argue, in this thread, that my "observation" has any legitimacy and right to exist. In fact, given the prevailing responses, I fully expect that it will be expunged from record. Lord forbid that anyone should have the audacity to make commentary on online vendor sales statistics, however early and limited. Heavens knows that never has occurred on this site before.

 

[perorist]

please explain to me why my observation is in any way of "less quality" than others...especially given the disclaimers I made?

People HAVE been explaining it to you

The Amazon ratio is heavily skewed towards users who have faulty PS4s because the majority of people with working PS4s won't waste their time posting a positive review. You are severely underestimating this ratio and coming up with arbitrary numbers assuming that it's representative of the actual rate.

 

[CoG]

Any review that's not a verified purchase should be instantly disregarded one star or five.

 

[StoopKid]

PS4 failure rate much greater than initially reported by SONY??

First, here is the direct link to find the latest, most up-to-date reviews:

http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-4-...DateDescending

Okay, the reason for the question mark is obvious....
Currently, the number of 1 star (lowest rating) implies a failure rate much greater than 0.4%.

We cannot presume that all the one-star, negative reviews necessarily correlate with actual problem/defective units. Nevertheless, at the time of this post, the lowest (one-star), negative reviews stand at 64% ( 333 / 518).

Whatever the motivation behind the reasons for the number of negative reviews, it seems quite implausible that the defective/failure rate is only 0.4%, as initially reported by SONY.

Heck, even taking only 1 out of 10 of the negative votes to be truly caused by defective units, that results in:

33/ 518 = 6%

Which is above the average for failure rates for modern consumer electronics.

Hopefully this turns out to be an issue specific to a certain LOT and manufacturing site.

 

[ElRenoRaven]

Searched and not sure if it was posted, but has this rumor been debunked?

http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/f...e-bad-ps4-consoles-thee-months-ago.453522435/

You know. I'd believe this. All the more reason companies need to quit using the equivalent of slave labor to build their damn shit. Sadly almost everything is built using it.

 

[MThanded]

PS4 failure rate much greater than initially reported by SONY??

First, here is the direct link to a Google Image Search of "PS4 Broken"

https://www.google.ca/search?q=ps4+...GSyQHRqoCgBQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=988

Okay, the reason for the question mark is obvious....
Currently, the number of broken PS4's on the first page implies a failure rate much greater than 0.4%.

We cannot presume that all the broken PS4 images necessarily correlate with actual problem/defective units. Nevertheless, let's do that anyway. At the time of this post, the number of broken PS4 images (including the system on fire and the exploding Dual Shock) in the first three rows is 5 out of 19 (and 5 x 19 = 95, which is close to 100%).

Whatever the motivation behind the reasons for the number of negative pictures, it seems quite implausible that the defective/failure rate is only 0.4%, as initially reported by SONY.

Heck, even taking only 1 out of 19 of the negative pictures to be truly caused by defective units, that results in:

Sega 32x / Nintendo 64 = NEGATIVE 100%

Which is above the average for failure rates for modern consumer electronics, which I am going to source at the end of this sente

Hopefully this turns out to be an issue specific to a certain LOT and manufacturing site. You fucking fan-boys.

damn lol

 

[Deuterium]

The available Amazon ratings don't support your observation of 50% or even 6% though.

Let me make a "non-scientific" counter observation just like yours:

There's 581 5-star reviews and 357 1-star reviews right now
Amazon sold 200,000 PS4s so the breakup is this:

199,200 people have working PS4s, 581 of them gave a review
800 people have faulty PS4s, 357 of them gave a review

800 out of 200,000 is 0.4% so it's within Sony's estimates

Based on your logic am I wrong?

As I thought I made clear before...

Like ANY other Amazon review/statistic...all we can go by (and all I was using) were the number of negative reviews (in this case, one-star) compared to positive (5-star) reviews. At the time I originally posted, there existed only 1-star and 5-star reviews...nothing in between.

We can not go by the number of sold units compared to the number of submitted reviews...as this is a number that cannot be truly assessed, given the information. Not to mention the fact that the vast majority of owners do not submit any review at all (negative or positive) to Amazon. All we can go by...and what I limited my commentary to, was a comparison of negative / defective reports as compared to positive, as reported on Amazon. That's it, and that's all it is...as flawed as this admittedly may be.

 

[Roto13]

As I thought I made clear before...

Like ANY other Amazon review/statistic...all we can go by (and all I was using) were the number of negative reviews (in this case, one-star) compared to positive (5-star) reviews.

Then you hauled some other numbers out of your ass, tosed the whole bunch in a bowl and presented a big ol' meaningless math salad.