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[EightBitNate]

Out of Order.

18/86

 

[dr_rus]

Not a problem. I prefer they concentrate on the game instead of wasting time on trailers. ReadyAtDawn name is enough to get this day one even without any trailers at all.

 

[Pound_lb003]

So... you don't think GT5 and TLG release debacles were bad?


It's bad management and yes Shu is partly responsible.


Read This Article: http://kotaku.com/how-sonys-most-creative-studio-rose-from-the-ashes-1458030068



Sony's own employees admit StudioJapan was a huge mess. Team ICO missed an entire generation. It's been about 8-9 years since Shadow of the Colossus released. Why are you even paying these guys if they can't get a game out?

Surely Shu must've known what was going on there, and if he didn't... that's his own fault. He's the President after all. He should know what's going on.

I think calling them debacles is stupid given how easy development hell is to achieve. It's a strategic wonder these AAA games are ever released. And yes, I'd say most decisions he's made have probably been based on factors you have next to no clue about.

Simple really, you don't have enough information to say he's managed his studios well or not.

 

[Samyy]

I think considering Sony's output the last 4-5 years its hard to say Sony's studios have been mismanaged.

Its pretty clear Japan Studio wasn't a focus and they wanted to build up their Western first party studios, and now it sounds like they are doing that for Japan studio. I think that was pretty smart considering the relative importance of Western markets vs. Japan and in that time they've built up some pretty great IPs in LBP, Uncharted, TLOU, InFamous (my favourites anyway).

How you can point to a project or two and say it Shu was completely at fault is kind of silly, especially considering the stupidity of the PS3's architecture.

 

[NeoROCK]

Simple really, you don't have enough information to say he's managed his studios well or not.

Oh... why even have a forum to discuss anything then?

That kotaku article where its said that over 40 projects were in development at JapanStudio is telling enough. A "free for all" environment... how much more info do you need to say that's mis-management?

 

[Chamber]

Shu Yoshida being in charge of WWS is one of the best decisions Sony has made regarding the Playstation business.

Fuck the reactions in this thread.

 

[krypt0nian]

Oh... why even have a forum to discuss anything then?

We are discussing how much bullshit you're tossing out.

 

[SniperHunter]

BTW last time RAD demoed this game (Gamescom) it was running on PC

Doesn't sound good at all

 

[Saty]

Just Shadowplay it and put it online.

 

[benny_a]

BTW last time RAD demoed this game (Gamescom) it was running on PC

Doesn't sound good at all

They demoed the game? When was the embargo for that? Where are those articles that speak about that demo and the fact it was on PC?

 

[Harlequin]

BTW last time RAD demoed this game (Gamescom) it was running on PC

Doesn't sound good at all

Then what did GameInformer see if the last time they demoed it was at Gamescom?

 

[Chobel]

BTW last time RAD demoed this game (Gamescom) it was running on PC

Doesn't sound good at all

Source?

 

[Cyberia]

Then what did GameInformer see if the last time they demoed it was at Gamescom?

GameInformer were the first who got to see gameplay. At Gamescom they only gave an presentation about their RAD engine 4.0.

Ready at Dawn wasn't showing much gameplay of its upcoming alternate-history shooter The Order, but the tech it did demonstrate was impressive.

http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/the_order_1886/preview-3462.html

 

[SniperHunter]

Ru spent most of the session talking about how The Order: 1886 uses a revolutionary physics system which allows individual objects and its constituent materials to be realistically broken up or deformed ad infinitum. During his presentation the audience was treated to two live prototype gameplay demonstrations (running on a PC with PS4-approximate specs) showing these features in action, and also demonstrating how objects in the environment such as flags are affected by the physical forces associated with a particular environment (in this case wind). Each of the three flags we saw in the second demo fluttered independently of each other, seemingly affected by their position in relation to the wind.

http://www.el33tonline.com/post/201...ced-physics-system-revealed-at-gamescom-2013/

Apparently this game's tech was in development for 5 years (the soft body physics stuff) I am guessing they might be having trouble getting the code to run on PS4 or something

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

BTW last time RAD demoed this game (Gamescom) it was running on PC

Doesn't sound good at all

You mean a game in development wasn't shown running on a console? Quick, everyone panic.

 

[Pound_lb003]

Oh... why even have a forum to discuss anything then?

That kotaku article where its said that over 40 projects were in development at JapanStudio is telling enough. A "free for all" environment... how much more info do you need to say that's mis-management?

It wouldn't be discussion if I agreed with everything you said.

All I was doing was pointing out how uninformed your speculation was. And attributing Yoshida's decisions to bad management is probably what caught my attention more.

I wouldn't have agreed or disagreed with the quality of his management - I disagreed with what you considered evidence one way or another.

 

[vpance]

So the state of the in game visuals aren't up to snuff yet. Or maybe it's the framerate.

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

I think it'll be ready by Q4 2014 or Q1 2015 at the latest, but Sony will need some PS4 hits for Holiday 2014.

 

[Nafai1123]

ITT:
Footage delayed
Game delayed
No games for 2014
SCE is mis-managed
Shu is terrible

 

[B.O.O.M]

Why are we talking about Shu...this isn't a first party game

 

[Chamber]

ITT:
Footage delayed
Game delayed
No games for 2014
SCE is mis-managed
Shu is terrible

"We start wearing kevlar, they buy armor piercing rounds."

 

[Endo Punk]

My fault, I elaborated why some people might feel Shu is not doing his job well. I think we should leave it for now. I plan on making a thread about Shu sucking at his job over the weekend so we can move the conversation there then.

I'm glad someone is going to make it because I am really getting sick of Shu. The guy may have become a Rockstar amongst the fans but I'm convinced he's all talk. FAR too many blunders this past gen not to mention start of this gen with terrible launch games compared to XB1 and WiiU.

 

[Salex_]

Why are people STILL jumping to conclusions? This was posted 2 pages ago yet it was ignored?

How do you come to the conclusion that the game is getting delayed?

 

[Acquiescence]

18/86

Tough crowd.

 

[pje122]

18/86

LOL!

 

[Zoned]

Well have to say Ubisoft is one company that triumphs in this department. They provide meaty gameplay trailers at most of the conferences well before the release.

 

[TheUnsunghero26]

Why are we talking about Shu...this isn't a first party game

Sony's publishing it, so it is first party.

 

[Harlequin]

Well have to say Ubisoft is one company that triumphs in this department. They provide meaty gameplay trailers at most of the conferences well before the release.

Ubisoft is also the best example for a great supply of media not equalling a great game.

 

[CrazyDude]

Sony's publishing it, so it is first party.

That would actually make it second party. First Party studio has to be owned by Sony.

 

[tfur]

ITT:
Footage delayed
Game delayed
No games for 2014
SCE is mis-managed
Shu is terrible

You forgot:
Trouble getting it running on ps4
Frame rate problems

The thirst for drama against the PS4 is so extreme right now. So much salt has been accumulated this year. More than any other year in recent memory.

Unfortunately, for those of unparalleled salt levels, and even though they try so hard...

 

[dr_rus]

That would actually make it second party. First Party studio has to be owned by Sony.

There really is no such thing as "second party". Sony owns the IP, RAD is making the game while being an independent studio. That's all.

 

[viveks86]

ITT:
Footage delayed
Game delayed
No games for 2014
SCE is mis-managed
Shu is terrible

I'm fully expecting to see "Shu needs to step down" as the next item on that list (unless it has happened already).

 

[border]

http://www.el33tonline.com/post/201...ced-physics-system-revealed-at-gamescom-2013/

Apparently this game's tech was in development for 5 years (the soft body physics stuff) I am guessing they might be having trouble getting the code to run on PS4 or something

Don't you remember that Sony was showing nearly everything at E3/Gamescom on PC devkits?

Some fearmongering jackass from IGN even tried to start some FUD about it on Twitter:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=663625

 

[Raist]

GT 1 and 3 were launched shortly after PS1 and PS2 were released and sold extremely well, so don't use that excuse of being an early game holds back sales.

GT was released 3 years after the PS1 launched.
GT3, 1 year.

So wht exactly are you rambling about?

 

[TheUnsunghero26]

That would actually make it second party. First Party studio has to be owned by Sony.

Second party is when the publisher only distributes the game, and doesn't fund it. Phil Spencer says this at about 13:50 in this podcast.

 

[astraycat]

Don't you remember that Sony was showing nearly everything at E3/Gamescom on PC devkits?

Some fearmongering jackass from IGN even tried to start some FUD about it on Twitter:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=663625

E3/Gamescom stuff were on devkits sure, but not PC devkits. PC devkits would have been phased out several months before then.

 

[CCIE]

I'm expecting RaD to be a first party studio soon enough. This looks like RaD's audition for Sony... and given their track record, I'd expect to see them acquired soon enough if the game is as awesome as it looks.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Why are people STILL jumping to conclusions? This was posted 2 pages ago yet it was ignored?

How do you come to the conclusion that the game is getting delayed?

No time for logic and facts, directly from heads of RaD that the material was all submitted. Most spread more FUD, dawg!

 

[RoboPlato]

Absolutely bloody pathetic. They have had more than enough time to throw out another trailer, the fact its not ready just shows awful Shu is at managing first party. Sony better have more than Uncharted to show at VGX.

Where is this Shu hatred coming from lately? He manages the largest and most diverse first party studios in the world and they've released some fantastic games in the past couple years.

 

[NeoROCK]

GT was released 3 years after the PS1 launched.
GT3, 1 year.

So wht exactly are you rambling about?

PS2 came out October 2000
GT3 came out July 2001

So only GT3 was out just 8 months after launch. And it is by far the best selling Gran Turismo game according to Polyphony's official website.
http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html


Halo 3 came out just 10 months after 360 released and sold like crazy.

So I really don't get the whole "we must release on a bigger user base" excuse. People with new systems are hungrier for games.

Especially as a 1st party like Sony and MS... Your exclusive games sell the hardware.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Quite a few of us remember how shitty Sony were with software during the early days of the PS3, and this is beginning to feel a whole lot like it.

Jesus Christ, it's one trailer no-show and everyone's acting like the game has been cancelled or something!

And out of interest, how shitty was Sony with PS3 software in the early days? At launch there was Resistance, Motorstorm, Stardust, etc, and then across 2007 there was Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Folklore, Ratchet Future, and in 2008 there was Wipeout HD, LBP, Resistance 2, Motorstorm Pacific Rift, etc. I think calling those first couple of years "shitty" is exaggerating it somewhat.

 

[Samyy]

Aren't we getting like InFamous, DriveClub and MLB 14 in like a 2 month span next year? Isn't that pretty okay for now?

 

[Cloud Strife]

Jesus Christ, it's one trailer no-show and everyone's acting like the game has been cancelled or something!

 

[Pain]

PS2 came out October 2000
GT3 came out July 2001

So only GT3 was out just 8 months after launch. And it is by far the best selling Gran Turismo game according to Polyphony's official website.
http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html


Halo 3 came out just 10 months after 360 released and sold like crazy.

So I really don't get the whole "we must release on a bigger user base" excuse. People with new systems are hungrier for games.

Especially as a 1st party like Sony and MS... Your exclusive games sell the hardware.

Wrong.

Xbox 360 = November 2005
Halo 3 = September 2007

That's 22 months.

 

[Raist]

PS2 came out October 2000
GT3 came out July 2001

So only GT3 was out just 8 months after launch. And it is by far the best selling Gran Turismo game according to Polyphony's official website.
http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html


Halo 3 came out just 10 months after 360 released and sold like crazy.

So I really don't get the whole "we must release on a bigger user base" excuse. People with new systems are hungrier for games.

Especially as a 1st party like Sony and MS... Your exclusive games sell the hardware.

Ah. How about the first GT then? I thought it was released "shortly". Guess it doesn't count anymore.

Just like Japan must not count, because the PS2 launched there in March 2000.
At the time GT3 launched the PS2 had a global install base of well over 10M units.

Yet you're trying to argue that GT6 not being a PS4 launch title was a big mistake, and that arguments regarding console install bases are irrelevant because "GT and GT3 released shortly after the PS1 and PS2 launched".

I'd suggest you do some facts checking before posting stupid shit (this applies to Halo 3 too, see post above mine).

 

[Endo Punk]

Where is this Shu hatred coming from lately? He manages the largest and most diverse first party studios in the world and they've released some fantastic games in the past couple years.

He completely fudged all chances of a successful mascot fighter with PSBR, continues to fund Guerilla and Sony London despite lacklustre results time and time again, let go of Studio Liverpool despite the amazing Wipeout franchise which may I add has not been marketed well in fact outside of ND and SSM the marketing for titles have been terrible. Mismanaged Studio Japan and let development escalate with TLG and GT5 and the icing on the cake, the guy ruined the Banderas gif with his embarrassing attempt.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

He completely fudged all chances of a successful mascot fighter with PSBR, continues to fund Guerilla and Sony London despite lacklustre results time and time again, let go of Studio Liverpool despite the amazing Wipeout franchise which may I add has not been marketed well in fact outside of ND and SSM the marketing for titles have been terrible. Mismanaged Studio Japan and let development escalate with TLG and GT5 and the icing on the cake, the guy ruined the Banderas gif with his embarrassing attempt.

Well yeah, if you're so obviously desperate to hate the guy, I'm sure he's made a number of mistakes. But based on Sony's first party software output, he's had a lot more hits then misses.

 

[Endo Punk]

Well yeah, if you're so obviously desperate to hate the guy, I'm sure he's made a number of mistakes. But based on Sony's first party software output, he's had a lot more hits then misses.

Maybe if you look far back as 1998. I do like the guy but this year outside of TLOU which is ALL ND he made a lot of bad decisions. Wasting SSM with GOWA is th worst of all. Single handedly sullying the reputation of a mighty dev. The fact he couldn't secure better exclusives for PS4 launch also really irks me.

I feel like you've been waiting all this time for the slightest bad news so you can tell us how you really feel.

I just want to get a PS4 and his making it really hard for me.

 

[Nafai1123]

He completely fudged all chances of a successful mascot fighter with PSBR, continues to fund Guerilla and Sony London despite lacklustre results time and time again, let go of Studio Liverpool despite the amazing Wipeout franchise which may I add has not been marketed well in fact outside of ND and SSM the marketing for titles have been terrible. Mismanaged Studio Japan and let development escalate with TLG and GT5 and the icing on the cake, the guy ruined the Banderas gif with his embarrassing attempt.

I feel like you've been waiting all this time for the slightest bad news so you can tell us how you really feel.

 

[benny_a]

I feel like you've been waiting all this time for the slightest bad news so you can tell us how you really feel.

Click on his name. Click on threads opened by him. Then you will rescind the "you've been waiting."