Sure but I just gave you the solution to the problem
I use it and it's great, but it doesn't work on the steam app. Only the website.
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I feel like all games on Steam are Early-Access now
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I use it and it's great, but it doesn't work on the steam app. Only the website.
There are a few games I'd pay full price or even a bit more to play early and experience in the raw form. Most of the indies aren't among those titles though. I can wait. It's not too annoying though, it's like a bit more reliable Kickstarter with much clearer conditions and no bullshit dinner dates.
Reduced to? C'mon, let's not get overly dramatic.
But yeah, Steam should have better tools to let you filter through games. Which is why jshackles should totally be at Valve (free promotion here!)
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Sometimes I forget that I have Enhanced Steam and I mistakenly think that the Steam webpage is just really awesome.
I guess they can make Early Access on the front page opt out, but I don't see it as a huge problem right now. It's not like they're lepers. Some of the games on EA are less buggy than the games from EA.
jediyoshi
Member
So how would removing early access games being featured functionally resolve this and what's even the connection?
Is anything he's saying wrong, though?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
well 1 2 3 drop that beat like an ugly baby might never get a real release.
almost all of them eventually won't be
Visualante2
Member
Minecraft passed the savings onto the early adopters. Many early access titles are trying to charge the full price or more to test their game. I don't buy into it because to me it compromises the experience of playing the game "as intended".
Maybe a new Minecraft will come along some day.. but I'd rather give the money directly to them than go through Steam.
I actually know someone who has put out an early access title recently and I suggested they send the game to some YouTube LPers.. but they are hesitant because they don't want it to be judged unfairly. To me that says they made a mistake releasing on early access. LPers are playing the game, and they are judging it.. and videos with 100,000 views are out there. So whoops.
Maybe a new Minecraft will come along some day.. but I'd rather give the money directly to them than go through Steam.
I actually know someone who has put out an early access title recently and I suggested they send the game to some YouTube LPers.. but they are hesitant because they don't want it to be judged unfairly. To me that says they made a mistake releasing on early access. LPers are playing the game, and they are judging it.. and videos with 100,000 views are out there. So whoops.
I love this new trend. I've been playing a few early access games, most notably Starbound, and my experience with it has been enjoyable thus far. You just have to keep certain things in mind, like the possibility you'll randomly lose all progress. Many won't be able to handle that. Hint: Don't buy it.
I think it's also important that they're featured at least somewhere on the front page. It's like Kickstarter+, where you get way more than just a demo for the money you threw in. I'll probably get Spacebase next.
I think it's also important that they're featured at least somewhere on the front page. It's like Kickstarter+, where you get way more than just a demo for the money you threw in. I'll probably get Spacebase next.
well 1 2 3 drop that beat like an ugly baby might never get a real release.
almost all of them eventually won't be
added to wishlist, thanks for the heads up
CecilRousso
Member
There are a lot of indies now, because of Greenlight and other factors. And before, when they were more restrictive about what titles got on Steam, NeoGAF would criticize Valve for that. Everytime an indie developer spoke out about him/her not getting their game on Steam, everyone thought Valve were stupid because of that, earch time. Seems people will not be satisfied no matter what.
charlequin
Banned
You probably shouldn't "have" to "resort" to third-party add-ons to have the stuff you own get highlighted either, but the rest of us just fix the problem instead of getting all worked up about it.
Being the gatekeeper and vanguard of the current sizeable and diverse renaissance in PC gaming?
There are a lot of indies now, because of Greenlight and other factors. And before, when they were more restrictive about what titles got on Steam, NeoGAF would criticize Valve for that. Everytime an indie developer spoke out about him/her not getting their game on Steam, everyone thought Valve were stupid because of that, earch time. Seems people will not be satisfied no matter what.
"GAF" is not a person. The people complaining in threads two or three years ago that Steam wasn't adding indie games fast enough are not the same people as the people who think Steam is letting in too much riffraff.
Nabs
Member
I liked reading what Dylan (Audiosurf/Audiosurf 2) had to say about Early Access:
Valve made it so that you can pretty much ignore Early Access games by removing them from the new release column. I don't see a problem with giving developers a chance to reach more people early on.
You don't have to. Valve stopped putting them there a month ago.
Dylan Fitterer said:
Valve made it so that you can pretty much ignore Early Access games by removing them from the new release column. I don't see a problem with giving developers a chance to reach more people early on.
You don't have to. Valve stopped putting them there a month ago.
well 1 2 3 drop that beat like an ugly baby might never get a real release.
almost all of them eventually won't be
Dejobaan continues to patch the game quite regularly to this day (the most recent update being last month), but of course there's no saying when it'll be "complete". I didn't even realise 123 had been retroactively considered an Early Access title until I looked into the first batch of EA games just a few days ago and noticed it mentioned alongside the likes of Arma 3 and KSP.
Visualante2
Member
Warranty situation too messy if it bricked hardware
Even if they remained in the new releases column, honestly, how hard is it to simply ignore something you aren't interested in? Early Access games offer a) a chance for fans to get an early look at a game they're interested in, b) beta feedback to a dev so that the end result becomes better, and c) additional funding to that dev so that, again, the end result is superior to what it may have been.
If you dislike Early Access games on Steam, simply treat them like you would any new release you aren't interested in: ignore them.
Nabs
Member
Agreed. I wouldn't mind having an option to display them (similar to DLC).
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Wasteland 2 is priced that way for a reason though.
Spheyr
Banned
Well, they are, they just don't know it. Ultima Online should still have a beta tag 16 years on.
AcceptableGhost
Member
Woops, I saw Wasteland 2 in top sellers and thought I had seen it in new releases. Never mind then.
Most of these games are from small teams without a publisher, they can't QA test them with the rescources they have.
I can understand people balking at the prices those games are at for Early Access, but you have to understand, they're set at those prices so that Kickstarter backers don't feel like they've been screwed. Wasteland 2, for example, is set at $59.99 because purchasing it with beta access through KS came at a minimum of $55. It wouldn't be very fair to those backers if it was now being sold through Steam at a lower price.
Visualante2
Member
Small indie teams managed before. Usually thanking the friends and family testers in the credits.
GravityMan
Member
While I haven't bought a single Early Access game yet, I don't have a problem with Early Access games being on the storefront, although I'm ambivalent about them being featured in any sales or promotions. Some of those early access games are selling pretty damn well, so I tend to think Steam's doing something right here. Valve has already removed them from the New Releases list awhile ago. In the Top Sellers list, the games that are Early Access are labeled as such but that labeling could be redesigned to be a bit more obvious.
But there haven't been all that many Early Access games in the first place so this really isn't a big deal. The only reason the storefront seems to be mostly EA, F2P and Indie right now is because this is December and many higher profile devs and publishers do not release games during this time of year. Expect a resurgence of non-indie and non-F2P games in January or February.
But there haven't been all that many Early Access games in the first place so this really isn't a big deal. The only reason the storefront seems to be mostly EA, F2P and Indie right now is because this is December and many higher profile devs and publishers do not release games during this time of year. Expect a resurgence of non-indie and non-F2P games in January or February.
There'd be bigger problems with the console itself if a game could brick the console.
Sapphire Dreams
Member
I prefer early access to preorder to be honest, it gives me the opportunity to give feedback on the game before it's released.
Additionally, the "expensive" alpha/beta price tiers exist to filter out the noise that tends to generate when an Early Access game is listed at its intended final price or even cheaper still, which can be problematic when the desire is to gain valuable, development-shaping feedback. When Betrayer went on sale a couple of months ago or so, for example, its forum quickly became littered with people who bought the game completely unaware that it was buggy/incomplete; such impulse purchases are far fewer when you're asking $50+ for your title as opposed to, say, $15.
BoosterDuck
Banned
You'd rather a game like X Rebirth or Total War Rome 2 come out without early access?
And instead of 20 people you now have thousands of testers, quite a few of them enthousiasts, who give you immediate feedback and help you know what works and what really doesn't. Not just bugwise but game mechanics as well.
The games turn out a lot better as a result.
Early Access is great. It's not like anyone's tricking you into purchasing an unfinished game, it's pretty clear right on the page. Plus, the number of sales allows for an exponential amount of man-hours bug-hunting that even a large dev team couldn't do otherwise. I'd say that makes for a better finished product and that's a win-win.
Ive only bought one early access game, that prison game whats its face.
I dont like buying games in beta or alpha cause I like to have a 'complete' product. Buuuuuuuuuuuut, I think its a great idea for people who dont mind games that are rough around the edges and want to play a game and help mould and support the dev before its 'ready'.
I mean, I bought BF4 and that was meant to be a 'finished product' >.<
I dont like buying games in beta or alpha cause I like to have a 'complete' product. Buuuuuuuuuuuut, I think its a great idea for people who dont mind games that are rough around the edges and want to play a game and help mould and support the dev before its 'ready'.
I mean, I bought BF4 and that was meant to be a 'finished product' >.<
It absolutely looks like one........ There is a lot of stuff that isn't in the game and oh boy can it be buggy but it's getting better with every iteration. Doesn't change the fact that it stole over 150h+ of my life this year and the second game that shapes up to do that, Assetto Corsa is also an Early Access game.
Most Early Access games are cheaper then they will be at launch, a few have high prices because of Kickstarter campaigns. I see it as an opportunity to support projects I find interesting. But Valve should just give users the option to filter them out from the home page if they aren't interested in those games at all.
Hm just saw that they have KSP up featured with the info Just updated, which is incorrect since 0.23 will come out on tuesday...... Yeah I think they have to be a bit more aware about how they market those games.
The feedback from actual players is invaluable as well.
You'd rather a game like X Rebirth or Total War Rome 2 come out without early access?
And Battlefield 4
We rely on ourselves and a few friends and family for bug hunting, Early Access is pretty bad for finding 'bug' bugs, other than obscure computer hardware issues. It's much better for focus testing though, getting feedback on the feel of the game, if the new levels are on a consistent difficulty curve, or how people are reacting to the new characters as we implement them.
If Early Access wasn't a thing we'd have managed somehow, but being able to get some development funds (without running a Kickstarter) and interacting with actual players of our game has been awesome. That and the people who do rightfully hold off and wait for the finished version are going to eventually see a better game because of it.
Apologies to OP for existing though. Sorry about that.
And soon DayZ
Early access is not my cup of tea. I have friends who deem games as bad during early access betas and it doesn't feel fair to do so until the game is released/completed. For example Don't Starve. A friend of mine played it a lot at first but then stopped playing it because he felt no incentive to continue after a while. Now I have yet to play it but I assume things have happened since the beta and maybe now there is incentive to continue where he stopped playing. I just feel like his criticism is unfair since he has not touched the final version of the game.
Meh I dont see the problem, I am enjoying a lot of early access stuff including Starbound and am looking forward to Dayz SA being early access soon.
Actually that sounds about right. The game is about surviving and it gets harder and harder to do so. Im sure even complete your friend would have the same opinion. Its still a great game though if you are into that type of thing.. which I am.
Actually that sounds about right. The game is about surviving and it gets harder and harder to do so. Im sure even complete your friend would have the same opinion. Its still a great game though if you are into that type of thing.. which I am.
At most they should probably get their own separate tab on Steam, or just be shuffled under "coming soon." I can sort of get seeing a new game and being excited, especially if it seemed like a stealth launch, only for it to turn out to be a public pre-order beta (essentially) but it seems to do more good than bad for development.
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