With the xbox one being relatively available everywhere not very long after the initial launch frenzy (if there was any of that) and looking at the resell prices on ebay its feels to me like once everyone who actually wanted the system and the scalpers horded their allocations interest dried up and really its looking like scalpers abandoned any thought of making any money off the system and aren't swooping them up when they can easily make a bigger buck on the cheaper less available PS4. The money is going towards multiple PS4s for resale.
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PS4 sold (to consumers) 4.2 million units as of Dec. 28 2013
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Thunder Monkey
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While a bit of conjecture on my part, the idea that all light sources are purely realtime with degrees of "accurate" light casting seems like a timesaver instead of baking the lighting, setting it up in engine, and seeing the end results ingame.
With the initial UE4 approach you loaded your assets set up your lightsources, played and altered with minimal in the way of delay. Instead of going through a long drawn out process only to realize the lightsource at a certain angle obscured or distorts an already set and tested asset.
Goodacre0081
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isn't it up to someone in the distribution center to make sure this doesn't happen?
RedAssedApe
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should just start diverting stock and launching it in other countries. makes no sense if its not selling out to keep pumping more stock now that holidays are over. or at least send it to the places that are out of stock...
Bingo. This is EAs way of making money without any detriment to their bottom line. Since Respawn is under no obligation to recontract with EA as publisher for Titanfall 2 it's easy to see that they basically sold the exclusivity rights regardless of the damage exclusivity would deal to a new franchise. Especially with all the Titanfall marketing Microsoft has done. I have friends who just assumed Titanfall was developed by Microsoft because, at this point, it has become synonymous with the Xbox One branding. Such an affiliaition is poison for a young company with a new IP. So, long story short, Zampella and co are once again screwed over by publishers. It's a sad thing to see.
famousmortimer
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Yes, both will be under 10 million sold. Probably combined. Sony projected 5 million by March. What in the fuck even put the thought of 10 million in your head by March? That's iPhone numbers.
PS4 sold 4 million in 1.5 months. Yes, it was holidays, BUT, if demand stays strong (and all reports indicate it hasn't diminished yet) and if they can keep production up, I can easily see them doing at least 7 million+ by march.
xaosslug
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OMG... you guys keep stuff I MIGHT BUY next to your toilet? #absolutedeath
James Sawyer Ford
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I don't see how Sony doesn't ship at least 7 million at this pace. So combined sales of both platforms should easily be in excess of 10 million.
Given that Sony has been producing PS4s since August and sold out of 4.2 million by the end of December, that puts production at roughly 1 million per month or slightly more. Not going to be hard for Sony to sell 1 million per month this quarter.
By February they will be launched globally. I can easily see 300-400K per month in both the US and Europe, with 200-300K for Japan + the rest of the world per month.
Thunder Monkey
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Unless they just plan shipping another 800,000 around the world through March I'm thinking their production line has gotten a sizable boost. I'd have never thought they'd have as large of a NA launch as they did, and have been shocked as hell at just how quickly they are getting them out there. They've achieved a good chunk of the Wii's first year in two months.
No guarantee it will last of course, but I do think if they can get the stock out there they might be able to sell close to that 10 million. 7-7.5 million units by March.
Full MS exclusivity was out of their hands.
Graphics Horse
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It was reportedly over 7.2 million almost 2 weeks ago. I can easily see it being over 10 million at the end of March.
ramuh
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I think the 5 mill by March was the low ball estimate. So when it does come in above that, they can say how successful they have been and validate the direction of the PS brand.
what? how could they not know what they were signing up for?
Combined, PS4 & Xbone will be well over 10m by March for sure. Absolutely safe bet there.
In regards to Titanfall exclusivity, I'm still not seeing any reason why EA or Respawn would so terribly lament the Xbox/Windows exclusivity. The lion's share of sales will be on the 360 no matter what anyway. If anything, they're probably missing PS3 sales far more so than PS4, but I'm sure whatever fat check(s) they got from MS have eased that pain in any case.
In regards to Titanfall exclusivity, I'm still not seeing any reason why EA or Respawn would so terribly lament the Xbox/Windows exclusivity. The lion's share of sales will be on the 360 no matter what anyway. If anything, they're probably missing PS3 sales far more so than PS4, but I'm sure whatever fat check(s) they got from MS have eased that pain in any case.
SolidSnakex
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Vince said that the deal they knew about was for it to be timed exclusive. He said that they'd only found out about the full exclusivity deal recently (this was when it was officially announced). EA made that deal on their own.
Agree.
ramuh
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Wonder if it's a sliding revenue to EA. Based on competitors install base, etc.
It was supposed to be timed exclusive, EA and MS negotiated for the full exclusivity. Respawn had no say here as EA is the publisher.
Even that wasn't true. They were fairly easy to pick up off shelves the first weekend.
3 million Xbones is still pretty healthy, but I can't help but wonder how many of those were "substitute for the PS4" purchases. MS is going to be in bad shape once PS4 supply catches up with demand.
baxter2231
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Its also about sales of future games too though. By having the first game an "exclusive" or more accurately not on the other system when the sequel comes out you have a fanbase on the one it was exclusive too and nothing on the new one. You will sell less games on the new platform for the second game then you could have had if the first was multiplatform and could build on the prior game. So its not just about the missing sales from the original game but also the decrease in sales they will have with the sequel then they could have had. Thing is did they figure for this and did they also figure for it when the sales on the one it wasnt on turns out to be higher then the system it was on (ignoring the last gen systems)?
Bam Bam Baklava
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Xbox has reached the point where supply is now able to satisfy demand. PS4 is not there yet.
Not out of the question that PS4 hits 7 by March, still a few launches to go this month, and Japan in February.
Ah OK.
so it's EA again....and these guys wonder why they're voted the worst company in America
maybe they're financially OK, but let just say the franchise potential is gimped as compare to Bungie's Destiny which is available to all new gen consoles and it's favoring the more popular console
SolidSnakex
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Sony's struggling big time to meet demand. They have a new shipment that's supposed to go out to the UK this week, and another to UAE next week. That'll just be the second shipment to UAE, they were supposed to receive that shipment on Dec. 23rd or 24th, but Sony apparently pushed shipments into other territories (US and Europe). It doesn't seem like they'll be able to meet the demand any time soon.
Well think of it this way, my manager said we're advised not to use it. I can't say about the other ones though. But I will say that it's standard practice to keep stuff in the bathroom
What I got from that is you can use the toilet though.
SolidSnakex
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Would you buy a movie if it came from a strangers bathroom?
EmptySpace
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really feel bad for ea. last gen they teamed up with sony (see dead space, medal of honour, etc.) and really pushed their games on that platform.
now, ea thought they'd be free of that and started pushing for the xbone.
activision is smart. cod for xbone, destiny for ps4. they said they picked the type of game to show off on each platform depending on the platform's audience. lol. think about it, both are multiplats yet when people say destiny it's automatically associated with ps4. same with cod dog and xbone.
famousmortimer
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1. Demand is high, yes. But it isn't holiday demand.
2. A big reason for the 4.2 million is launches. The PS4 sold the most in each country it launched in on launch day. It's a slide downhill from there.
3. 7 million isn't 10 million.
Will they break 5? I think so. But that's a guess. The PS4 is kicking an amazing amount of ass but the idea that it would do 10 million by March makes me think that maybe... well, if you don't have something nice to say and all of that... Anyway, that would be 3 million in January and 3 million in February.
THREE MILLION! A MONTH!!!
Well, yes. But it's not even worth trying considering how impossible it is to even try to get to it.
I personally don't watch movies but I get what you're saying. And the answer is no.
This is what people are referring to when they say Microsoft has been "stuffing the channel" - forcing retailers to buy more stock than they need to cover demand
EmptySpace
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10 mil by march is very possible given that there's not enough demand for the other two consoles, only if sony can keep up stock. ps4 would be selling by now but there is no supply. slow downhill from here? if you meant sales in 1.5 month-increments then of course the first 1.5 months after launch will always be higher than anything. that's like comparing first-week sales of games to any week after that. but in terms of annual sales, that's a different story.
Don't move the goalposts. You said the PS4 wouldn't come near 10 million combined with the XB1. I (and about 5 other people lol) just posted how your are wrong barring a Wii U-esque nosedive of demand for the PS4 and XB1.
Even if the PS4 only sells 7 million, thats 10 million combined with the XB1, which your post said wouldn't happen.
meanspartan
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Why? If the game sells and reviews well, how is Respawn the loser? EA is the loser if the deal they made with Microsoft ends up losing them potential sales because Ps4 is selling better.
How would Respawn lose? Titanfall does well, in two years Titanfall 2 is out on both systems and does even better.
GremlinFool
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Japan launch in February should give it a good boost, but I agree that ten million is a bit pie-in-the-sky. Seven or eight million should be within the realm of possibility, though.
They already shipped 5M by now, that is pretty much a given. Ramping up the production to 1.5M should be easily doable and probably happened by now. The demand is there, europe at least has preorders waiting far into February and there is still Japan. Even if demand slows down before end of March they can still ship all they have.
So 9M shipped by the end of Q1 is a sure bet IMO, I can't see how that is an unlikely number at all.
If they ramp up production to 2M then and drop the price as soon as demand slows down (preemtive or to counter a MS drop) they might be at close to 30M when their big hitters like Uncharted 4 drop. Sony now has the chance to absolutely rule this gen, I am curious if they will use it.
I wonder how many MS need to have sold in December NPD to make the numbers fit, we know they sold nearly 1m in November in the NA and as of the end of 2013 they sold just north of 350k in the UK their second biggest market, Spain and Australia combined account for 100k as far as we know I think. which leaves a 1.6m gap between December NA sales and whatever they sold in the remaining 9 countries since launch.
Just to be clear, we're saying that PS4 alone certainly wont hit 10m by March, but combined? Your previous post made it sound like that even PS4 + Xbone wouldn't hit that high.
LiquidSolid
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I don't think Sony's going to increase production just yet. Remember, the pipeline isn't instantaneous, it takes a couple of months for changes to go through (shipping via ocean freighter alone takes over a month). The last thing Sony would want to do is increase production, catch up to demand and then suddenly find themselves with far too much unsold stock. So I think they'll probably wait and see if the high demand is still around in a few months before making any dramatic changes like that.
And your 30M prediction is pure crazy.
I'm guessing the PS4 will be over 7 million by the end of March, while the Xbone will be over 4 million.
Honestly, I think the PS4 is going to bomb in Japan. Wii U levels of bomb. I just don't see many people picking up such an expensive machine to play Yakuza and Knack. I'm guessing the launch numbers will be mediocre and then there will be a huge drop-off right after. 3DS and mobile seem to be the only things they care about over there.
viveks86
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This conversation was pretty funny. What happened, Morty? 7 + 3 = 10, no?
Only reason EA would sell exclusivity of Titanfall is that they projected it being more profitable than launching on all platforms. This might mean that Respawn does not have the resources for multiple parallel projects, or is unwilling to outsource Playstation ports... or that EA hasn't got enough faith in the IP itself. Maybe Titanfall is in trouble and EA cashed in a option.
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