NoirVisage
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I'm okay with that..Altiar was always just a ninja anyway.
but this..
didn't think this was okay here, but ..yeah..I gotta remember NeoGaf is not a democracy and whatnot. -__-
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Ubisoft: Feudal Japan is a possible setting for future Assassin's Creed games
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I'm okay with that..Altiar was always just a ninja anyway.
but this..
didn't think this was okay here, but ..yeah..I gotta remember NeoGaf is not a democracy and whatnot. -__-
Itchy//Tasty
Member
The mechanics really aren't solid at all. The ship stuff is mostly fine, but their stealth gameplay is abysmal. I wouldn't want them to take on ninjas without a vast overhaul of the controls and entire game system. Not really up for another 40 hours of whistling in bushes and being unable to crouch.
infiniteheteroskdasticity
Member
That's why I want Eden! What's his face in AC III also said that they'd love to try to go to Eden with one of his ancestors
But imagine Eden: far more advanced than any modern city, with buildings as tall as can be. But because it's unburdened by historical context, they can go truly insane with the gameplay opportunities. Jumping on a flying car before lunging down to assassinate someone, for example
I'm surprised this idea hasn't caught on more with people
Its not caught on because the franchise is all about somewhat realistic historical settings. The modern day would mean cars and guns. That game exists and its called Watch Dogs. We already have many franchises set in the modern day in an open world with tall buildings. Keep AC a historical franchise. It's appeal is that they're pretty much the only AAA franchise focusing on primarily hack and slash historical open world gameplay. They moved it in the right direction by keeping the modern day BS to a minimum in AC4.
A game set solely in Babylon I'd be okay with provided the city was appropriately huge (think Brotherhood's Rome, but ideally a little larger). It certainly looks the part, in any case.
Eden is not modern day. It's super futuristic (technologically, though it takes place as far back in the past as the AC storyline goes). There's few if any games like that out there for true open world. AND it's directly connected to the AC story in a super critical way.
That's why I want Eden! What's his face in AC III also said that they'd love to try to go to Eden with one of his ancestors
But imagine Eden: far more advanced than any modern city, with buildings as tall as can be. But because it's unburdened by historical context, they can go truly insane with the gameplay opportunities. Jumping on a flying car before lunging down to assassinate someone, for example
I'm surprised this idea hasn't caught on more with people
A first civilization/Eden setting has always intrigued me after uncovering all the clues throughout the series. It's inevitable at some point it's going to happen since it was
hinted at in previous AC's they need to visit that era to figure out how to stop juno in the modern day
Eden, yeah.
I think an Assassin's Creed unburdened by actual history might be just what a game needs to really mix things up
We got another good look at the setting at the end of AC:R, specifically in the city which looked quite a bit different, probably because the
world was about to be destoryed
infiniteheteroskdasticity
Member
Meh ... I never cared for the AC meta narrative. My favorite moment in the franchise was seeing
Desmond fry hilariously
I do agree that a super futuristic open world game would be nice, but even there there are far better ideas for a franchise that wouldn't have to be bound by the conventions of the AC franchise. One of my all time dream games has been GTA set on a future alien planet/star system with multiple cities etc.
I like the sailing over running around a big city. Honestly, I don't really enjoy the climbing aspect of the game anymore. It was neat the first couple of games, but the only time I climb a tall structure is just to go sync and then jump down. As long as there is enough verticality to be above it all and to traverse the area, that's all I need.
I've really enjoyed sailing around, though, and favor it above city traversal. It would get old as well, though, if they keep putting it in games.
Mashin Haters
Member
fix the combat and enemy types first. i swear if i have to roll, throw, kill another fat guy with an axe i will shoot my self
What about both? Many AC games have had more than one city. What about a game that allows you to switch between Eden and some historical time setting where you're using the information you get from Eden to find what you're looking for in that historical time period?
Off-Kilter
Banned
"because thanks"
infiniteheteroskdasticity
Member
My point was that I don't find the "Eden" setting remotely compelling even for a standalone sci fi game. It's just too vanilla. You're still set on boring old Earth in cities with human architecture where the "aliens" look like they're just humans who spend too much time indoors going to toga parties. If you want a open world sci fi game surely you can do better than that. The meta narrative was just done so poorly starting in AC2 that I want nothing to do with it again.
Yeah, the story well and truly jumps the shark after Brotherhood, but I enjoyed Ezio's arc.
Nymphae
Banned
All I know is, the only thing keeping my playing 4 is the fact that there's an open world I can traverse in my boat, and all the boat battles.
If the next AC game is simply run around city X, with maybe a horse, I'm not interested. Once I get off my boat and get into the classic AC mission designs/collectathons, the game wears on me so fast.
If the next AC game is simply run around city X, with maybe a horse, I'm not interested. Once I get off my boat and get into the classic AC mission designs/collectathons, the game wears on me so fast.
My man!
China pre 1500 would have been fantastic. I (and others it seemed) enjoyed the ship aspect of 4, imagine being able to use Junk Ships with crews up to 300. If they are continuing the ship thingymoboby, medieval China is the most logicial. Song dynasty and further is the shizzle for ships. They were fucking massive, would love a massive Ocean with a bloody massive ship to explore it with.
Feudal Japan does sound ok...but their treatment of America doesn't strike much hope.
i want it for gameplay purposes, not for story purposes. I hate the story in AC games
I would involve the least amount of climbing ever. You would really need a major gameplay overhaul for that scenario.
exactly what I thought...
infiniteheteroskdasticity
Member
i want it for gameplay purposes, not for story purposes. I hate the story in AC games
Oh I agree the gameplay needs to improve. They can improve gameplay by keeping the historical tourism aspect that makes the series popular. One of the reasons they haven't had to improve the gameplay in the past two games is that they've had a gimmick to distract people from it. AC3 brought guns and 4 brought naval warfare (3 had it but it was pretty minor). Moving it to something like feudal Japan where neither thing would work would actually force them to improve the combat and control systems. For starters I'd like a deeper swordplay system with combos etc. There also needs to be a lot more variety in enemy types. There also needs to be a deeper sense of progression where you're not nearly as powerful with a sword at the start of the game as you are fully upgraded. They did it with ships so I can't see any reason why they can't do it for the protagonists.
AC4's story was actually pretty well done as long as you're only interested in Edward's personal story and none of the meta narrative BS. That's why the DLC was good as well. I'm sure they can get the story right if they wanted to.
EightBitNate
Member
Who says an AC game is defined by its parkour though? Ever since AC3, the series has been drifting away from that. Sure, it's a lot of fun, but you could certainly have an AC game without loads of climbing.
Yeah, the americas are such a boring setting. Part of the reason I even liked assassin's creed is because of the awesome architecture on display.
Imperfected
Member
Meiji Restoration Japan rather than Sengoku or Tokugawa Japan, please. There's more political intrigue, social nuance, and by that period the ninja have actually become a mysterious and near-legendary entity rather than being those guys who live in the forest that you can totally find pretty easily if you want to.
Not to mention that it gives you the "samurai as government functionary" rather than straight-up warrior samurai, which is way more in line with how they use Templars. Make an Assassin's Creed where you play a ninja rolling with the Ishin Shishi knocking off daimyo who've been taken in by the Templars under the guise of a disaffected samurai trying to restore the imperial order, and I'm all over that.
Not to mention that it gives you the "samurai as government functionary" rather than straight-up warrior samurai, which is way more in line with how they use Templars. Make an Assassin's Creed where you play a ninja rolling with the Ishin Shishi knocking off daimyo who've been taken in by the Templars under the guise of a disaffected samurai trying to restore the imperial order, and I'm all over that.
Hate to break it to him, but the entirety of human history is your playground even without the animus.
Please, drop that ridiculous gimmick. I hate it.
And feudal Japan would be rich territory for an AC game. Feudal japan is just a rich area for fiction of all types, honestly. Playing Muramasa right now.
Please, drop that ridiculous gimmick. I hate it.
And feudal Japan would be rich territory for an AC game. Feudal japan is just a rich area for fiction of all types, honestly. Playing Muramasa right now.
Ubi already did that, it's called Far Cry 3.
El Phenicks
Neo Member
I'm guessing they'll pull a The Last Samurai and make the subject caucasian getting stranded there by boat. And that the game will alternate between Templar China and Assassin Japan so they can expand the naval gameplay.
UnluckyKate
Member
Nice and all but AC in feudal japan would only work as Ninja protecting a daymo (war lord) or even the Shogun.
I would be disapointed if we were to play a loyal samourai being a assassin's/ninja at night.
DoubleTake
Member
Am I the only one that doesnt trust them to not completely fuck this up?
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Deleted member 17706
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Bakumatsu era Japan could be such an interesting era to do a game like this. All sorts of foreign powers trying to gain influence in a country going through turbulent change. The Templars and Assassin's would have been all over that shit. Plenty of bad people needing killing!
Also on the topic of climbing in recent AC games, the problem is two-fold.
The settings being chosen (initially Colonial America) weren't as big or cool in architecture, so I see why they also decided to focus on the wilderness areas and let you climb around trees. The problem with they created in "fixing" or adding the feature to let players navigate trees is that they redid the free-running system to be too automatic. It's fine when it's trees but for buildings it became way too automatic. I might be wrong but either AC:Bro or AC:Rev was the last game to feature both low-profile and high-profile climbing (i.e. slow and 'fast' climbing, which was introduced in AC2). Unimpressive buildings don't help. Remember all those large cathedrals in 1 and the Ezio trilogy?
I think most people liked that climbing wasn't so automatic since AC3 (if not earlier). Genie's out of the bottle with "fast" climbing though since AC2 though. The thing missing in AC3/4 is that climbing is so automatic: remember in AC2, you couldn't climb the tallest tower until you got the climbing gloves, then you could start leaping up gaps too far to climb normally. And along AC:Rev, the hookblade also allowed the player to leap for gaps. But now in 3/4, you don't have to even hold RT/R2 to close everything but the widest (maybe about a storey) of gaps. There isn't anything you can't climb from the start of the game that is different from the end either than gating it off via the story. Basically, I think most of us would've been fine if Ubi kept the paperdoll system (more or less) but didn't go overboard with the free-running system crossing from tree navigation into buildings.
The settings being chosen (initially Colonial America) weren't as big or cool in architecture, so I see why they also decided to focus on the wilderness areas and let you climb around trees. The problem with they created in "fixing" or adding the feature to let players navigate trees is that they redid the free-running system to be too automatic. It's fine when it's trees but for buildings it became way too automatic. I might be wrong but either AC:Bro or AC:Rev was the last game to feature both low-profile and high-profile climbing (i.e. slow and 'fast' climbing, which was introduced in AC2). Unimpressive buildings don't help. Remember all those large cathedrals in 1 and the Ezio trilogy?
I think most people liked that climbing wasn't so automatic since AC3 (if not earlier). Genie's out of the bottle with "fast" climbing though since AC2 though. The thing missing in AC3/4 is that climbing is so automatic: remember in AC2, you couldn't climb the tallest tower until you got the climbing gloves, then you could start leaping up gaps too far to climb normally. And along AC:Rev, the hookblade also allowed the player to leap for gaps. But now in 3/4, you don't have to even hold RT/R2 to close everything but the widest (maybe about a storey) of gaps. There isn't anything you can't climb from the start of the game that is different from the end either than gating it off via the story. Basically, I think most of us would've been fine if Ubi kept the paperdoll system (more or less) but didn't go overboard with the free-running system crossing from tree navigation into buildings.
andrerobot
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Of course there were. Shit, pirates were hired as soldiers by certain feudal lords to secure particularly difficult to capture regions.