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IGN: Xbox is playing for tomorrow, but they're playing to win.

IbizaPocholo

NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/06...laying-for-tomorrow-but-theyre-playing-to-win

Microsoft won’t fully recover from this generation’s mistakes, but they’re hellbent on not repeating them.

Microsoft’s E3 press briefing was the one we needed, the one we deserved, and arguably their best one ever. They came into E3 2018 with fan confidence, perhaps, at an all-time low. Sure, the Xbox One X is a fantastic piece of hardware, but less-than-glowing review scores for Sea of Thieves and State of Decay 2 did nothing to change the negative narrative surrounding the quality and especially quantity of Xbox’s first-party output. In unleashing 50 games total at E3 -- including 18 with exclusivity -- and five new first-party game studios, Phil Spencer and the Xbox team made it clear that while the current-generation battle with Sony may be lost -- at least in the hardware installed base department -- Microsoft is playing for the next round and they’re playing to win.

Much more in the link.
 
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NickFire

Member
Good article, but I feel like it was chopped down. No mention of cross play or backwards compatibility. Both consumer friendly practices helping reshape its image. Both relevant to next generation.
 
They are making great moves to prepare for the next round of consoles but I was absolutely not blown away by them at e3. They said things they needed to say (future investments) but didn't have any big "moments" to me. It was a good showing and I'm happy with my Xbox but I wanted more.
 

FranXico

Member
They played to win with that multi-billion dollar Nokia purchase. Time will tell if this gamble pays off.
The Nokia buyout now allows them to patent troll almost every phone manufacturer out there. It is paying off for them.
 
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rokkerkory

Member
The winning mindset is definitely there... and very much enthusiasm around a platform that was heavily crippled this generation. Moving forward the momentum is there but they have to stick to the basics and do the basics really really well:
- most powerful h/w
- best online services including gamepass and live
- best 3rd party relationships (long way to go here)
- strong 1st party line up (longgg way to go here)
 

Vawn

Banned
They're doing everything right except the most important thing - getting enough great exclusive games.

I happily own all three, but comparing the games I can only play on PlayStation or Nintendo isn't even comparable to games I can only play on Xbox, even ignoring the fact they're basically all also available on PC
 

Hendrick's

If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
It's really all they could do, outside of buying exclusives for this gen, which would have been the wrong move imo. It's still depressing though, knowing that current gen is going to go out with a whimper.
 

BANGS

Banned
Microsoft really has been doing a much better job of looking towards the future. They really need to secure some worthwhile exclusives and I'll be all about xbox 2... as long as it's what we expect...
 

Dunki

Member
In terms of first party I really doubt that these 5 more medicore studies will be able to shift their development so they can even dream to reach Sony there. What MS does not do is taking risk. and they are killing games left and right they have ennounced. The kill studios and IPs and this is something people will not forget. The way the treated Platinum for example was disgusting and if I would be a developer I would be really careful doing contracts with MS.
 

Hendrick's

If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
In terms of first party I really doubt that these 5 more medicore studies will be able to shift their development so they can even dream to reach Sony there. What MS does not do is taking risk. and they are killing games left and right they have ennounced. The kill studios and IPs and this is something people will not forget. The way the treated Platinum for example was disgusting and if I would be a developer I would be really careful doing contracts with MS.
Yes, this is the past, but they are under new management now. Let's give them the chance and see if they can turn things around.
 

Dunki

Member
Yes, this is the past, but they are under new management now. Let's give them the chance and see if they can turn things around.
I will believe it when I see it not before. To me MS has already used up all chances. Now its on them to prove it.
 

DunDunDunpachi

Patient MembeR
Unusual article.

When Sony "played for tomorrow" with a convoluted (but forward-thinking) multi-core CPU and BluRay drive, it was considered an anchor around the system's neck for the longest time. When Kinect took over the 360's latter years, I heard nothing but disdain and frustration from Xbox fans in spite of this move clearly being done for "tomorrow". Remote Play on the Vita was surely a forward-thinking idea, but game journalists didn't give it a pass. When Wii U's off-screen idea flopped, no one gave Nintendo the benefit of the doubt when the idea eventually led to the hugely-successful Switch. Nope, no excuse of "playing for tomorrow" there, either.

But when Microsoft is the subject of critique, there is no limit to the excuses that Western journalists will make.

Like I said, unusual article. Why would any gamer celebrate a game company flopping (and continuing to flop) with the excuse "well, at least they're setting up for their next system to be better"? Oh, cool. That sure gives me confidence and a strong desire to buy said system...
 

nowhat

Member
I agree with the premise of the article, it's a very good first move from Microsoft.

Whether they have the patience to see it through remains to be seen. Founding/purchasing studios is a good first step. Giving said studios the time and artistic freedom to do great new games (the games the studios want to do, not just some designed-by-commitee bullshit*) is the next step, we'll see if Microsoft has the patience for it.

*) We'll probably not know anytime soon what happened with Scalebound, but the gossip is Microsoft was insistent on the game having co-op, which derailed the project entirely.
 

rokkerkory

Member
In terms of first party I really doubt that these 5 more medicore studies will be able to shift their development so they can even dream to reach Sony there. What MS does not do is taking risk. and they are killing games left and right they have ennounced. The kill studios and IPs and this is something people will not forget. The way the treated Platinum for example was disgusting and if I would be a developer I would be really careful doing contracts with MS.

Playground Games and Ninja Theory are "mediocre"? LOL

WRT to contracts with MS, obviously 3rd party relationship is super strong since so many debuts at the conference. It shows trust in the xbox brand and future.
 

Gander

Banned
They just need to amplify what they did for the Xbox 360. Focus on the games, make the interface clean and easy to use and don't sacrifice power for options.
 

nowhat

Member
The Nokia buyout now allows them to patent troll almost every phone manufacturer out there. It is paying off for them.
Except that's not what happened: https://readwrite.com/2013/09/03/what-microsoft-did-and-didnt-buy-with-its-nokia-acquisition/

Microsoft didn’t acquire Nokia’s entire patent portfolio, either. It bought the design patents outright but will license Nokia’s 30,000 utility patents patents for 10 years. By not acquiring the entirety of Nokia’s patents, Microsoft was able to keep the acquisition cost of the Devices and Services down while preserving future assets for Nokia.
The really "meaty" patents that concern mobile telephony are still a property of Nokia (which exists still, making mobile networks + assorted skunkworks projects).
 

MMaRsu

Banned
They need to start developing new and interesting IP's. Even during the last years of the 360 they didnt have interesting new IP's yet Sony just kept on bringing new interesting games on PS3. Now on Xbox One there arent enoigh interesting new IP's either.
 

xool

Member
They definitely mean to give Sony a run for their money. It's gonna get real interesting around 2020.

A quick history lesson :

Gamecube BAD
Wii GOOD
WiiU BAD
Switch GOOD

(PS1 GOOD doesn't count)
PS2 GOOD
PS3 BAD
PS4 GOOD

Xbox BAD
360 GOOD
XONE BAD

According to my completely subjective GOOD-BAD-GOOD-BAD theory of videogame console generation history MS is scheduled to have a stormer of a generation with the XboxTwo, whilst sony will be eating dirt with the PS5

All we need is a name .. are they counting up, or down ? Xbox Two or Xbox Zero

I prefer Zero.
 
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WaterAstro

Member
The Nokia buyout now allows them to patent troll almost every phone manufacturer out there. It is paying off for them.
Everyone likes to bring that up, but they have lost significantly more on their second Windows phone initiative. While Nokia costed 7 billion, they had probably spent more than 7 billion, on top of that purchase, to try and make Windows phone successful.
 

xool

Member
Unusual article.

When Sony "played for tomorrow" with a convoluted (but forward-thinking) multi-core CPU and BluRay drive, it was considered an anchor around the system's neck for the longest time. When Kinect took over the 360's latter years, I heard nothing but disdain and frustration from Xbox fans in spite of this move clearly being done for "tomorrow". Remote Play on the Vita was surely a forward-thinking idea, but game journalists didn't give it a pass. When Wii U's off-screen idea flopped, no one gave Nintendo the benefit of the doubt when the idea eventually led to the hugely-successful Switch. Nope, no excuse of "playing for tomorrow" there, either.

But when Microsoft is the subject of critique, there is no limit to the excuses that Western journalists will make.

It's a fluff piece, but I don't see the pro-western bias you're describing.

Journalists were only half the problem with Kinect - millions of xbox fans who bought it (an expensive accessory) on spec/hype were half the problem - yes I was one who suffered the 360's kinect based decline.

Remote Play was a nice idea, and I remember journalists being positive about it.
WiiU was a bad idea - because it was a second screen - switch dropped second screen.
PS3's anchor was its price tag, and the issues with getting games to run on the thing without tortuous work - for a long time 360 games just ran better, and the GPU was probably better .. PS3 had non-unified memory - 360 had unified memory, conventional multicore CPU - current consoles had unified memory, conventional multicore CPU .. the only aspect of the PS3's design that survived the test of time was the BluRay drive
 

DunDunDunpachi

Patient MembeR
It's a fluff piece, but I don't see the pro-western bias you're describing.

Journalists were only half the problem with Kinect - millions of xbox fans who bought it (an expensive accessory) on spec/hype were half the problem - yes I was one who suffered the 360's kinect based decline.

Remote Play was a nice idea, and I remember journalists being positive about it.
WiiU was a bad idea - because it was a second screen - switch dropped second screen.
PS3's anchor was its price tag, and the issues with getting games to run on the thing without tortuous work - for a long time 360 games just ran better, and the GPU was probably better .. PS3 had non-unified memory - 360 had unified memory, conventional multicore CPU - current consoles had unified memory, conventional multicore CPU .. the only aspect of the PS3's design that survived the test of time was the BluRay drive
Fair criticisms. I think what is hanging me up is this notion that "playing for tomorrow" by sacrificing their current system is a good thing. No one celebrated the early death of Xbox. No one celebrated the sharp decline of good games on the 360. No one cheered when Saturn was hastily replaced by Dreamcast, nor are Wii U owners happy that Nintendo is porting most of the library over to Switch.

Nothing Microsoft is doing right now is unique or unusual or particularly forward-thinking: they're changing some features, they're buying a few studios, and they're developing hardware for a new console.

Neat.

What does that have to do with XBox One, though? Unless Microsoft is going to offer full BC for all Xbox One games (which would help ease the transition to the next system, for sure), I do not comprehend how taking focus away from the current console when it is already so far behind is in any way praiseworthy.
 

hiphopcr

Member
Microsoft won’t fully recover from this generation’s mistakes.
This generations mistakes will go on to bless gamers lives forever and onward.

Now all future xboxes will be compatible with every xbox game going back to the beginning. Hardware will be beautifully designed and punch above it's weight. Game Pass is the greatest value in the history of gaming and is a paradigm shift for how we consume content. Sony and Nintendo must follow.
 
Fair criticisms. I think what is hanging me up is this notion that "playing for tomorrow" by sacrificing their current system is a good thing. No one celebrated the early death of Xbox. No one celebrated the sharp decline of good games on the 360. No one cheered when Saturn was hastily replaced by Dreamcast, nor are Wii U owners happy that Nintendo is porting most of the library over to Switch.

Nothing Microsoft is doing right now is unique or unusual or particularly forward-thinking: they're changing some features, they're buying a few studios, and they're developing hardware for a new console.

Neat.

What does that have to do with XBox One, though? Unless Microsoft is going to offer full BC for all Xbox One games (which would help ease the transition to the next system, for sure), I do not comprehend how taking focus away from the current console when it is already so far behind is in any way praiseworthy.


How are they sacrificing their current system? Game development takes time and the notable absence at e3 was a soon-to-be released Halo. And if Halo would come out as a continuation of 5, even with great reviews most here would still hate it. This isn't an MS press release or anything. And they have already said over and over that they are through with generations so you will be able to take your library with you. You are simply projecting your anti-MS bias.
 

DunDunDunpachi

Patient MembeR
How are they sacrificing their current system? Game development takes time and the notable absence at e3 was a soon-to-be released Halo. And if Halo would come out as a continuation of 5, even with great reviews most here would still hate it. This isn't an MS press release or anything. And they have already said over and over that they are through with generations so you will be able to take your library with you. You are simply projecting your anti-MS bias.
I hate Microsoft as a company.

However, that doesn't mean that I have a bias.

A bias would be ignoring facts in order to support or refute a particular stance, which is what this article is doing when it ignores Microsoft's own track-record in favor of believing PR statements taken directly from the company.

Quit with the political word-salad, accusing people of "projecting bias" and other such nonsense. Microsoft botched the Xbox One and the library continues to lag significantly behind the competition. That is the current state of things. WIth that being the case, help me understand why Microsoft skittering off to their next system is in any way praiseworthy? Why would a gaming journalist give that company's decision anything but criticism?

Then again, you think Xbox's original "always online" vision was good, so I don't think you and I will find much common ground on the topic of the Xbox brand and its decisions.
 
I hate Microsoft as a company.

However, that doesn't mean that I have a bias.

A bias would be ignoring facts in order to support or refute a particular stance, which is what this article is doing when it ignores Microsoft's own track-record in favor of believing PR statements taken directly from the company.

Quit with the political word-salad, accusing people of "projecting bias" and other such nonsense. Microsoft botched the Xbox One and the library continues to lag significantly behind the competition. That is the current state of things. WIth that being the case, help me understand why Microsoft skittering off to their next system is in any way praiseworthy? Why would a gaming journalist give that company's decision anything but criticism?

Then again, you think Xbox's original "always online" vision was good, so I don't think you and I will find much common ground on the topic of the Xbox brand and its decisions.

Haha, are you serious? I HATE <COMPANY XYX> BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I CAN'T BE NEUTRAL IN DISCUSSING <COMPANY XYZ>.

So why are you even in these threads? I don't give a shit what this person wrote, same as I don't care what their opinions are on the PS4/Switch/etc. I find it laughable that you can start a post like that and expect to be taken seriously. At least you're honest about hating them, so I guess you get a gold star there. I mean holy shit, I don't hate Sony and even if I did I wouldn't go into Sony threads and post nonsense.
 

DunDunDunpachi

Patient MembeR
Haha, are you serious? I HATE <COMPANY XYX> BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I CAN'T BE NEUTRAL IN DISCUSSING <COMPANY XYZ>.

So why are you even in these threads? I don't give a shit what this person wrote, same as I don't care what their opinions are on the PS4/Switch/etc. I find it laughable that you can start a post like that and expect to be taken seriously. At least you're honest about hating them, so I guess you get a gold star there. I mean holy shit, I don't hate Sony and even if I did I wouldn't go into Sony threads and post nonsense.
This isn't "System Wars" Gamespot forum circa 2009. I can comment on whatever the heck I want, and I can especially speak up when the biggest videogame website is spewing easily-disproven nonsense like this.

Or are you under the impression that only superfans can add critique and discussion?

We have a term for that: echo chamber.

You appear to live in one.
 
This isn't "System Wars" Gamespot forum circa 2009. I can comment on whatever the heck I want, and I can especially speak up when the biggest videogame website is spewing easily-disproven nonsense like this.

Or are you under the impression that only superfans can add critique and discussion?

We have a term for that: echo chamber.

You appear to live in one.

The first line of that post you demonstrate the exact meaning of bias ("I hate MS") but somehow me suggesting you are biased is wrong. Wow, it's odd to hate something and be so driven to post about it. You certainly add to the discussion in a meaningful way.
 
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Vawn

Banned
A quick history lesson :

Gamecube BAD
Wii GOOD
WiiU BAD
Switch GOOD

(PS1 GOOD doesn't count)
PS2 GOOD
PS3 BAD
PS4 GOOD

Xbox BAD
360 GOOD
XONE BAD

According to my completely subjective GOOD-BAD-GOOD-BAD theory of videogame console generation history MS is scheduled to have a stormer of a generation with the XboxTwo, whilst sony will be eating dirt with the PS5

All we need is a name .. are they counting up, or down ? Xbox Two or Xbox Zero

I prefer Zero.

Why with a virtual tie (and actually PS3 ahead worldwide by a slight margin) is it considered BAD for PS3 and GOOD for 360?

PlayStation has not had a failure in home consoles yet. Nor has any of the four hurt in overall game library.
 

xool

Member
Game Pass is the greatest value in the history of gaming and is a paradigm shift for how we consume content.

Oh please stop with the gamespass stuff - they've got like 3 decent IP's which have a time between release of around 2-3 (gears), 3-4 (halo), and 1 year (forza both series) - so even if I was interested in all of those that would be the price of 1+1/2.5+1/3.5 = 1.7 full price games a year - gamespass costs far more than that yearly, and the rest of the games are trash or end-of-life products.

Stuff like Fallout 4 is on, but there is no fucking way you are goind to see a third party games of anything like that quality until years after release.

Cool if you like paying over the odds to play Gears/Halo/Forza or like waiting years for good third party releases.

It's just delusional to believe a pack-in subscription product is going to represent good value for money - that's not how it works.

There's a minority of people this actually represents good value for.
 
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Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
Oh please stop with the gamespass stuff - they've got like 3 decent IP's which have a time between release of around 2-3 (gears), 3-4 (halo), and 1 year (forza both series) - so even if I was interested in all of those that would be the price of 1+1/2.5+1/3.5 = 1.7 full price games a year - gamespass costs far more than that yearly, and the rest of the games are trash or end-of-life products.

Stuff like Fallout 4 is on, but there is no fucking way you are goind to see a third party games of anything like that quality until years after release.

Cool if you like paying over the odds to play Gears/Halo/Forza or like waiting years for good third party releases.

It's just delusional to believe a pack-in subscription product is going to represent good value for money - that's not how it works.

There's a minority of people this actually represents good value for.

Theres so much wrong with this it hurts, but hey keep trying.
 

AgentP

Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Right now it's all talk. The only Dev they bought that means anything is NT who made multi platform games. So time will tell, but I agree this gen is over, which sucks because I just bought an X and there is nothing to play right now.

It's funny how much MS has ditched to be like Sony this gen. Kinevt, esram, XBL free games, etc. I suspect Sony will take away some differentiaters by next gen like BC, cross platform play with consoles and some sort of subscription program.

So it will come down to price, hardware and most important games.
 

Imtjnotu

Member
A quick history lesson :

Gamecube BAD
Wii GOOD
WiiU BAD
Switch GOOD

(PS1 GOOD doesn't count)
PS2 GOOD
PS3 BAD
PS4 GOOD

Xbox BAD
360 GOOD
XONE BAD

According to my completely subjective GOOD-BAD-GOOD-BAD theory of videogame console generation history MS is scheduled to have a stormer of a generation with the XboxTwo, whilst sony will be eating dirt with the PS5

All we need is a name .. are they counting up, or down ? Xbox Two or Xbox Zero

I prefer Zero.
Why doesn't ps1 count....
 

Dlacy13g

Member
I do feel like MS is most certainly playing a long game now. The moves they are making across the board have some implications for today but they have much larger implications for down the road. Its a bit in contrast to Sony who seems to have stopped looking down the road and have become more focused on the immediate future. The pay off to Sony's approach certainly feels more rewarding in the hear and now but I do wonder if a few years time as we enter the next generation what their course will look like comparatively to MS?
 

NickFire

Member
Fair criticisms. I think what is hanging me up is this notion that "playing for tomorrow" by sacrificing their current system is a good thing. No one celebrated the early death of Xbox. No one celebrated the sharp decline of good games on the 360. No one cheered when Saturn was hastily replaced by Dreamcast, nor are Wii U owners happy that Nintendo is porting most of the library over to Switch.

Nothing Microsoft is doing right now is unique or unusual or particularly forward-thinking: they're changing some features, they're buying a few studios, and they're developing hardware for a new console.

Neat.

What does that have to do with XBox One, though? Unless Microsoft is going to offer full BC for all Xbox One games (which would help ease the transition to the next system, for sure), I do not comprehend how taking focus away from the current console when it is already so far behind is in any way praiseworthy.

If you are looking at it from an investor's perspective I could understand being annoyed that they hinted at next generation already. It is common knowledge that sales can suffer when the next iteration is close, which is why so many companies hold off on announcements until the last minute like Apple seems to do. I would still disagree with you if I held MS stock though, because accepting reality and positioning yourself for the future is a reasonable business strategy that I think makes sense with their recent moves.

From a gaming perspective I strongly disagree with you with respect to the claim they are sacrificing the here and now. I just don't see it and actually see the opposite. I could have the wrong impression, but my current impression is they intend to support backwards compatibility for current purchases on Xbox, and that they are moving closer to an Apple system where the next machine does not render the last completely obsolete.

If you are exclusively referring to games I can understand. They have not done a good job at all with respect to 1st party games IMO. Their franchises are stale to me by and large, and I dare say I am not really excited by anything I know they are putting out in the near term. I kind of expect most games to flop other than the franchises I find a bit stale, such as Forza. All that said, this gripe would apply 1, 2 and 3 years ago, and first party games are more sweetener to me than a significant console purchase decision. So its not a case of abandoning the Xbox One, its more a case of having a shitty first party lineup yet again.
 

Hendrick's

If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I hate Microsoft as a company.

However, that doesn't mean that I have a bias.

A bias would be ignoring facts in order to support or refute a particular stance, which is what this article is doing when it ignores Microsoft's own track-record in favor of believing PR statements taken directly from the company.

Quit with the political word-salad, accusing people of "projecting bias" and other such nonsense. Microsoft botched the Xbox One and the library continues to lag significantly behind the competition. That is the current state of things. WIth that being the case, help me understand why Microsoft skittering off to their next system is in any way praiseworthy? Why would a gaming journalist give that company's decision anything but criticism?

Then again, you think Xbox's original "always online" vision was good, so I don't think you and I will find much common ground on the topic of the Xbox brand and its decisions.
Because they have realized they fucked up and are doing what they can to not repeat their mistake? Because they have been, ever since that botched launch, doing quite a bit to bring the Xbox One up to the place it now sits, which is not so bad considering. They could have just given up and cut their losses, or moved in a whole other direction. Instead they are making all the moves a company should make to give consumers what they ultimately want. Sure you can just say, too little too late, or crap on them because you hate them as a company, but honestly, what more can they do at this point? What could they do to prove to you that they are trying to right the ship? My guess is nothing.
 
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Orta

Banned
All well and good MS being pumped up for the next-gen but the Playstation brand, momentum, etc is bullet proof.

Short of securing an epic exclusive such as the GTA series Sony has too much know-how and an utterly loyal fan base by now to slip up against MS.
 

jadedm17

Member
To quote boogie2988 : "Great..... But what am I playing this year?"

It's great they have games working but I seriously don't care, I want to know what's happening NOW. I sent my Xbox One S cross country to my nephew right before Sea of Thieves when I realized nothing in 2018 as a whole had my interest: It's the 9 months my Wii sat in a closet all over.
 

Hendrick's

If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
All well and good MS being pumped up for the next-gen but the Playstation brand, momentum, etc is bullet proof.

Short of securing an epic exclusive such as the GTA series Sony has too much know-how and an utterly loyal fan base by now to slip up against MS.
Fortnite scandal says hi. Sony has already begun it's arrogant stance that will do nothing but drive people away. If you look back at the shift of players from console to console over the past generations, you will notice gamers, outside of the diehard fanboys, are very much a what have you done for me lately kind of consumer.
 

DunDunDunpachi

Patient MembeR
If you are looking at it from an investor's perspective I could understand being annoyed that they hinted at next generation already. It is common knowledge that sales can suffer when the next iteration is close, which is why so many companies hold off on announcements until the last minute like Apple seems to do. I would still disagree with you if I held MS stock though, because accepting reality and positioning yourself for the future is a reasonable business strategy that I think makes sense with their recent moves.

From a gaming perspective I strongly disagree with you with respect to the claim they are sacrificing the here and now. I just don't see it and actually see the opposite. I could have the wrong impression, but my current impression is they intend to support backwards compatibility for current purchases on Xbox, and that they are moving closer to an Apple system where the next machine does not render the last completely obsolete.

If you are exclusively referring to games I can understand. They have not done a good job at all with respect to 1st party games IMO. Their franchises are stale to me by and large, and I dare say I am not really excited by anything I know they are putting out in the near term. I kind of expect most games to flop other than the franchises I find a bit stale, such as Forza. All that said, this gripe would apply 1, 2 and 3 years ago, and first party games are more sweetener to me than a significant console purchase decision. So its not a case of abandoning the Xbox One, its more a case of having a shitty first party lineup yet again.
Microsoft hasn't given me confidence that they're going to support backwards compatibility for current purchases on Xbox One, and if that was their plan they could just come out and say it. Xbox -> 360 compatibility is less than 50%, although there are significant technical reasons for that and so I won't hold it against them too much.

Still, to believe this narrative that Microsoft is the champion of BC when their own history says otherwise is wishful thinking. Microsoft is not a company that should be believed. They are a company that should be evaluated. If you evaluate what they offer and you like it? Sweet! Enjoy their products, spend your money, support them, wear the merchandise, whatever. I have no issue with that. I am also a fanboy for certain games and as such I totally understand the feeling of loyalty and passion.

But believing what they say wholesale? No. My answer to that is an uncompromising "no" and I have history to back up that answer. Pointing a finger at history might ruffle feathers (it clearly has in some threads) but that's not my problem.

Because they have realized they fucked up and are doing what they can to not repeat their mistake? Because they have been, ever since that botched launch, doing quite a bit to bring the Xbox One up to the place it now sits, which is not so bad considering. They could have just given up and cut their losses, or moved in a whole other direction. Instead they are making all the moves a company should make to give consumers what they ultimately want. Sure you can just say, too little too late, or crap on them because you hate them as a company, but honestly, what more can they do at this point? What could they do to prove to you that they are trying to right the ship? My guess is nothing.
For some context, I've used Microsoft products for a loooong time. I learned how to boot a .exe from command line before I owned a console or handheld. MS-DOS, Windows 3.1, and Windows 95 were my jam. I am very, very familiar with Microsoft's behavior during the 90s and 00s regarding PC gaming.

Ultimately, you have me pegged. I do have a lingering sense of "too little, too late" when it comes to Microsoft. And I also don't have an explicit roadmap as to how they could win me back or prove to me that they're trying to right the ship because I'm not really interested in their products. I have a 360 for a handful of exclusives and shmups and that's about it.

However, considering my long history with the company as their customer, I don't see how that reflects poorly on me. I am a disenfranchised former customer. "What can Microsoft do?" I dunno. Less than a decade ago, they were cramming Kinect down everyone's throats, and 5 years before that they were charging for online multiplayer. They seem to be doing exactly what they always do and so my crime is having a decent memory.

If anything, my opinion as a disenfranchised customer should hold more weight since they "are making all the moves a company should make to give consumers what they ultimately want" in your words. Well... no, they aren't. That's why I mentioned what I did.

I have a sizeable NES library. That should tell you how I view gaming. I want my games to last. I'm willing to take gambles and give second chances and see if a company has turned itself around, but absolutely none of the excuses currently being used to defend Microsoft are new. None of them. Not a single one -- whether you want to cite their litany of PR statements, their recent purchase of developers, their "partnerships", their stance towards backwards compatibility -- is new. If someone is dazzled by any of these not-new promises, cool. That's your problem. Don't make me out to be a bad guy just because I don't take PR at face value. How're you enjoying Scalebound and Crackdown and the Fable series?
 

Dabaus

Banned
All well and good MS being pumped up for the next-gen but the Playstation brand, momentum, etc is bullet proof.

Short of securing an epic exclusive such as the GTA series Sony has too much know-how and an utterly loyal fan base by now to slip up against MS.


This is something im thinking as well. I doubt something like the magnitude of gta being exclusive would happen but something like cyber punk perhaps. Sony would be wise to target 2019 with backwards compatibility and a 399 price tag. Get a 10 million console lead and I doubt MS will be signing that many third party deals, but I am willing to bet they will be signing 3rd party deals.
 

Blam

Member
Why with a virtual tie (and actually PS3 ahead worldwide by a slight margin) is it considered BAD for PS3 and GOOD for 360?
Because it took the PS3 a seriously long time to get back at the 360. They ate shit during the launch just like the Xbox One.
 

Dunki

Member
Playground Games and Ninja Theory are "mediocre"? LOL

WRT to contracts with MS, obviously 3rd party relationship is super strong since so many debuts at the conference. It shows trust in the xbox brand and future.
Compared to what Sony has yes it is medicore at this level. Also I do not think the relationship of 3rd parties is pretty strong but that Microsoft paid the most to have these games there.

For example when Square enix in ther own press conference has multiple titles that are PS4 only than you can not say that they have a strong relationship
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
Fortnite scandal says hi. Sony has already begun it's arrogant stance that will do nothing but drive people away. If you look back at the shift of players from console to console over the past generations, you will notice gamers, outside of the diehard fanboys, are very much a what have you done for me lately kind of consumer.

Some people have called Sony arrogant on day 2 of PS4, what they are doing is not positive in terms of ecosystem locking games, but unfortunately it is something market leaders in the console space do... not that different than exclusive deals on third party games games or timed exclusives...
 
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