• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

Did the Destiny 2 Forsaken reveal do anything for you?

I played Warframe for the first time a few days ago. Really surprised me. I'm normally opposed to F2P bullshit, but they did a fantastic job on the world building and underlying systems. The gunplay is janky af compared to Destiny 1 (haven't bothered with D2) yet, but damn its way more interesting in the first few hours of game play than I expected.
 
I've been trying to enjoy warframe since it was released what, 4 years ago? But god, it's so boring. Last time i played some random joined and rushed to the end of the level. So much fun.
 

Toe-Knee

Member
I've been trying to enjoy warframe since it was released what, 4 years ago? But god, it's so boring. Last time i played some random joined and rushed to the end of the level. So much fun.

I got quite into it at first but all of a sudden it was matching me with people who had clearly spent loads of money and just destroyed everything. Took all the fun out of the game.
 

jadedm17

Member
Forgot Warfame: 24,404

Even the Guardian Con people play more Warframe and Fortnite and Realm Royale and whatever else than Destiny 2, which says something.

Yea but Warframe is just awesome; I loved GTA V but it's insane to me how many would rather watch that in mid-2018 than D2.... Warframe I understand.

The biggest gripe I have has become Fortnite : If we're talking fun, interesting weapons then Fortnite is free and adds them regularly. I've spent $40 to date and I'll assume at least another $40 plus in the coming year that would have went to Destiny 2 if it had engaged me nearly as well. I didn't even mind the grind, it was battling the same stupid things for years; Fortnite just feels like it respect my time more : I can play for 10 minutes or 10 hours, serious or half-drunk, I'm gonna have fun.
 

Future

Member
I played a lot of destiny but I think I’m out. Burned out on these enemies, guns and world. They’d have to shake things up dramatically to go back.

Story wise I see a lot of production value. But still have no understanding of what’s going on and don’t anticipate I ever will. So it’s only the Gameplay that kept me coming back but it feels it doesn’t have many places to go.
 

oagboghi2

Member
What kind of idiot spends 300$ on a game that only costs 60$.

Yes, you have to pay for new content. Games are not free. Such stupidity

All games should be free. We deserve them. Developers should pay US.
Games should be good on day one. Not take 2 years to get to a decent place.
 

Lanrutcon

Member
I got quite into it at first but all of a sudden it was matching me with people who had clearly spent loads of money and just destroyed everything. Took all the fun out of the game.

"Clearly?" How so?

I'm MR 19 and to be quite frank: Warframe is a game about becoming incredibly badass. It's a power trip and a horde shooter. You don't need to pay a cent to become an engine of destruction, and if you've been playing for more than a week or two and aren't obliterating room fulls of enemies at a time you're doing something wrong. (also: the good guns are locked behind your mastery level, and you can't buy that).

I've been trying to enjoy warframe since it was released what, 4 years ago? But god, it's so boring. Last time i played some random joined and rushed to the end of the level. So much fun.

Tried it 3 times: first two times I was confused and had no idea what was going on, and promptly uninstalled on the first day. Third time I tried it with a group of friends and then had a blast for the next 6 months. The game is terrible at helping new players get adjusted.
 

VertigoOA

Banned
Games should be good on day one. Not take 2 years to get to a decent place.

Destiny has always been good.

The hyperbole and hot takes are hilarious.

5 years later and the haters still eating crow yearly.

Yes, new content costs money. Who would’ve thought? I love how the newest outrage this year is that all games should be free or something.

Warmind successfully has made D2 start trending upwards.

Somehow people celebrate state of decay’S “success” meanwhile D2 has been more popular that SoD2 since the day it launched on gamespass.

But dead game amirite? Har har.

The cycle repeats itself... including the era/GAF driveby hate train from posters who are clearly just trolling.
 
Last edited:
The hate boner some people have for destiny amazes me. But lets not pretend bungie doesn't deserve it. They asked for it with each bad decision. But i believe their problem is bad management and incompetence more than "bungie is evil" or the big bad activision pullling their strings.
Their original vision for D2 was a mistake. But they are slowly turning this boat around.

And people act like D2 was a failure when it wasn't. It's a big success but it failed to keep the playerbase engaged.
 
Last edited:

Future

Member
The hate boner some people have for destiny amazes me. But lets not pretend bungie doesn't deserve it. They asked for it with each bad decision. But i believe their problem is bad management and incompetence more than "bungie is evil" or the big bad activision pullling their strings.
Their original vision for D2 was a mistake. But they are slowly turning this boat around.

And people act like D2 was a failure when it wasn't. It's a big success but it failed to keep the playerbase engaged.

I’m curious what the future holds though. Based on destiny 1, I bought destiny 2 with season pass on day 1 and contributed to the sales success. Stopped playing about 3 weeks in and have regretted the purchase. I’ve tried to go back each dlc but the Gameplay loop excitement has dried up. I see all those icons of things to do in the tower and I just can’t grind it out any more to beat these same alien classes again

The real test will be this forsaken dlc sales IMO because things like that won’t recapture players like me who fizzled out during year 1 of destiny 2. WHats funny is that I barely cared about the Eververse money tactics and what not. The game just wasn’t designed well in pacing out rewards or delivering new content compared to destiny 1, while also going backwards in PVP design.
 
Destiny has always been good.

The hyperbole and hot takes are hilarious.

5 years later and the haters still eating crow yearly.

Yes, new content costs money. Who would’ve thought? I love how the newest outrage this year is that all games should be free or something.

Warmind successfully has made D2 start trending upwards.

Somehow people celebrate state of decay’S “success” meanwhile D2 has been more popular that SoD2 since the day it launched on gamespass.

But dead game amirite? Har har.

The cycle repeats itself... including the era/GAF driveby hate train from posters who are clearly just trolling.

I don't expect Destiny to be "free" but I don't expect it to cost me $100 to play a year either. I'm not even opposed to paying $100 a year to play a service game comparable to an MMO, as long as it's good and there's enough to keep me engaged. They failed on both accounts and clearly I'm not the only one that shares the sentiment.

On the subject of negativity surrounding Destiny 2, they didn't do themselves any favors by time gating customers in their progression behind dailies and weeklies if they didn't cough up the extra $40 and the fact that the expansions were huge disappointments that were spread so far out between the first year of the game pissed off the people who did buy into the season pass stuff. Am I supposed to be surprised that the discourse surrounding the game is largely negative when they pissed off people who paid for the season pass and people that didn't in a service game?

I'm not going to shitpost about Destiny being a dead game. It's not but it's certainly bleeding players, especially on PC where it had 7,000 players in April. It has problems that need to be fixed. It lost a lot of the appeal for Destiny 1 players and it was beyond idiotic to throw away three years of base game+expansion content when Destiny 2 still has a drought of content to this day.

QLH1LYz.png

I just think it's important for Activision and fans of the game to realize that if they want to charge $80-$100 a year all content releases accounted for, they are competing with the likes of Guild Wars 2's living story, Elder Scrolls Online's boxed/DLC expansions (which do come to about $80-$100 a year but there's little debate about how it's not worth the money), Warframe's practically monthly content updates, Path of Exile's quarterly updates and now they're even going to be up against The Division 2 which seems to take all of this into account with a roadmap of free and regular content updates.

Even if I were a fan of Destiny 2, I wouldn't be acting bewildered that the game is generally disliked and bleeding players.
 
Last edited:

dragos495

Member
Hell yeah! Cant wait for forsaken to drop!

Its just FUN to play, solo or with friends. You always have something awesome to grind for. For me it was always max level, a certain exotic or an OP weapon like the escalation protocol shotgun.
 

Toe-Knee

Member
"Clearly?" How so?

I'm MR 19 and to be quite frank: Warframe is a game about becoming incredibly badass. It's a power trip and a horde shooter. You don't need to pay a cent to become an engine of destruction, and if you've been playing for more than a week or two and aren't obliterating room fulls of enemies at a time you're doing something wrong. (also: the good guns are locked behind your mastery level, and you can't buy that).



Tried it 3 times: first two times I was confused and had no idea what was going on, and promptly uninstalled on the first day. Third time I tried it with a group of friends and then had a blast for the next 6 months. The game is terrible at helping new players get adjusted.
Big fancy premium looking skins. It all just looked incredibly flashy.

I keep needing to get back to it.
 

VertigoOA

Banned
I don't expect Destiny to be "free" but I don't expect it to cost me $100 to play a year either. I'm not even opposed to paying $100 a year to play a service game comparable to an MMO, as long as it's good and there's enough to keep me engaged. They failed on both accounts and clearly I'm not the only one that shares the sentiment.

On the subject of negativity surrounding Destiny 2, they didn't do themselves any favors by time gating customers in their progression behind dailies and weeklies if they didn't cough up the extra $40 and the fact that the expansions were huge disappointments that were spread so far out between the first year of the game pissed off the people who did buy into the season pass stuff. Am I supposed to be surprised that the discourse surrounding the game is largely negative when they pissed off people who paid for the season pass and people that didn't in a service game?

I'm not going to shitpost about Destiny being a dead game. It's not but it's certainly bleeding players, especially on PC where it had 7,000 players in April. It has problems that need to be fixed. It lost a lot of the appeal for Destiny 1 players and it was beyond idiotic to throw away three years of base game+expansion content when Destiny 2 still has a drought of content to this day.

QLH1LYz.png

I just think it's important for Activision and fans of the game to realize that if they want to charge $80-$100 a year all content releases accounted for, they are competing with the likes of Guild Wars 2's living story, Elder Scrolls Online's boxed/DLC expansions (which do come to about $80-$100 a year but there's little debate about how it's not worth the money), Warframe's practically monthly content updates, Path of Exile's quarterly updates and now they're even going to be up against The Division 2 which seems to take all of this into account with a roadmap of free and regular content updates.

Even if I were a fan of Destiny 2, I wouldn't be acting bewildered that the game is generally disliked and bleeding players.

That’s from December....

What?

Like I said... obsolete arguments. Warmind did wonders for the community so far and it’s been two months going strong.
 
Last edited:
I recently got back into D2 after leaving it last year. Picked up the two DLC packs since they were on sale for dirt cheap. I gotta say, the game is a lot better now. There are a slew of activities, a reasonable grind and weapons that you actually want to grind for. Wasn't expecting much but pleasantly surprised by the improvements to the overall experience.

That being said, the Curse of Osiris campaign was absolutely awful. I can see why that expansion was critically panned. It was a slog to get through and you barely even got to see Osiris himself. Warmind was a lot better, but very short, which after playing the Curse of Osiris campaign was a positive in my book, as it told its story (as many plot issues as it may have) without needless padding. But the overall quality of life changes are what have made the game better. I would say that the people who bought the DLC for the full price were probably ripped off a bit, but buying it at less than half price as I did, it was well worth it. Looking forward to Forsaken if its looking to improve on what there is right now.
 

jadedm17

Member
That’s from December....

What?

Like I said... obsolete arguments. Warmind did wonders for the community so far and it’s been two months going strong.

Maybe the community thats left, but 3000 more people are watching decades old Dr Who episodes than those watching Destiny 2 on Twitch.

I can't think of a perspective that isn't bad for D2.
 

PaperThin X

Neophyte
Warmind expansion got me hooked to Destiny 2 again and it’s become my main game. They fixed a ton of issues and I love how they made exotics OP like in the D1 days.

I’m extremely excited for the Forsaken expansion, I’m glad they finally fixed what was wrong and listened to the fans. The new Gambit game mode looks like a lot of fun too.
 

Deizle71283

Neo Member
I'm excited for it. I've literally spent at least 90% of my video game time playing Destiny since the launch of the first game. September is going to take forever, but at least I'll have the WoW expansion in mid August to make the final days of waiting a little easier. I know this game is going through it, but I enjoy the social aspects of it. Bungie hasn't totally let me down. And I trust them enough to go ahead and purchase the $80 season pass. I love this game, so it doesn't bother me to go ahead and pay for it.
 

Zannegan

Member
An outsider's take: I love Destiny's designs and the gunplay is tight, but the gameplay loop just doesn't grab me. I also didn't enjoy D1's PvP. I look at each expansion, thinking maybe this one will pull me back in, but no dice. This trailer was emotionally compelling, in itself, but when I think about the end result, losing Fillion-bot just gives me one less thing to care about in Destiny's universe.
 

VertigoOA

Banned
Maybe the community thats left, but 3000 more people are watching decades old Dr Who episodes than those watching Destiny 2 on Twitch.

I can't think of a perspective that isn't bad for D2.

Congratulations on trusting a stat about people watching and not actually playing a game.

:ROFLMAO:

Currently 8th most popular game on Xbox live behind ww2. State of Decay? 21st
 
Last edited:

gypsygib

Member
Nope, I put about 100 hours in Destiny 1, but not even 20 Hrs in Destiny 2. I find the game boring AF now. They ruined the social aspect and my friends didn't buy it after they got jaded with the near manditory DLCs, which makes the game useless. Being able to meet new people easily was critical but was near impossible due to the restirictions. So, just done with the series and I hope Bungie moves on to something else sooner than later.
 

manfestival

Member
Can someone give me an explanation of the hate for the game? I keep seeing really good deals for destiny 2 but literally everyone tells me to run for the hills. A couple things, I play warframe and love that I can make a gun stupid powerful that it can wipe out insane enemies. I hate having to shoot the same enemy 50 times unless there is actual reason or tactical value like the earth boss in warframe. Also tried the destiny 2 demo and it was really impressive. I just ran out of time to go into it further but I did like randomly joining people in the middle of stuff being like a hero or joining in the action.
 

Dr. Claus

Vincit qui se vincit
Can someone give me an explanation of the hate for the game? I keep seeing really good deals for destiny 2 but literally everyone tells me to run for the hills. A couple things, I play warframe and love that I can make a gun stupid powerful that it can wipe out insane enemies. I hate having to shoot the same enemy 50 times unless there is actual reason or tactical value like the earth boss in warframe. Also tried the destiny 2 demo and it was really impressive. I just ran out of time to go into it further but I did like randomly joining people in the middle of stuff being like a hero or joining in the action.

It is a very good FPS game focused on multiplayer that you can safely complete in about 40 hours. The issue is that there were some people who enjoyed the broken loot systems and poor pacing of the original that had a bit longer lasting replay value (as you spent most of that time endlessly grinding). The Grind has been mostly removed, a solid game has been released with an actual story mode and actual content - but this is not enough for some. Some wanted it to be more.

But this is coming from someone who believed Destiny 1 was a very, very terrible game. So take it with a grain of salt.
 

VertigoOA

Banned
The grind is back with warmind. This time you’re not grinding for god rolls tho. Warmind is some of the best destiny period.

I think D2 is in a better state with Warmind than D1 was with HoW during the same time frame. Mars is a solid new zone (and the best one in the game currently), the exotic reworks, masterwork exotics, and escalation protocol (even tho it took weeks to be powerful enough to try it) and old raids staying relevant etc is good shit. You also have 3 raids vs 2 but I don’t like the mechanic driven raids much... then again I loved crota’s end even when it was broken.
 
Last edited:

jadedm17

Member
Congratulations on trusting a stat about people watching and not actually playing a game.

:ROFLMAO:

Currently 8th most popular game on Xbox live behind ww2. State of Decay? 21st

Saturday night?
Destiny 2 : 6,900 viewers
Portal 2 : 6,800 viewers
Fortnite : 176,000
Smash Bros Wii : 7,700

I admitted its not a perfect metric but in mid-2018 it's a decent one for how many actually care : From holidays at home to going out to eat, I see a lot of kids watching a lot of games be played. Not only that but it's a great metric for how much money you can make playing these games : You may want to stream Destiny 2, but will it be hurting your stream? 50% more people are in the Realm Royale top stream than are in all of D2's streams, maybe you'll make more money playing that?

I have no issues with people enjoying what they want - my buddy who's $99 copy I bought for him still enjoys playing occasionally - but I do find it hilarious after all their tomfoolery that their base has largely moved on.
"Yes, new content costs money. Who would’ve thought? " is what you said; "We also can't pretend like the free update won't still alienate people : Even if you paid $100 day one, you'll still have to pay more for the full experience of what you wanted from Destiny in order to play with friends, clans, run raids etc. Offering new content but core updates free isn't the same as having then at launch when everyone is playing the same game - "You can play what you wanted how it should have been but half the people who would play with you moved on" isn't the same." is what I said previously. I take no issues with new content costing money, I take issue with the update being presented as free when new content drops at the same time the already small community will move onto. I can play old content alone or new content and spend more. That doesn't seem gross to you?
 

Mochilador

Member
It made me realize how expensive this game is. We have to buy the first two expansions and this one. They are not cheap.
 

VertigoOA

Banned
Saturday night?
Destiny 2 : 6,900 viewers
Portal 2 : 6,800 viewers
Fortnite : 176,000
Smash Bros Wii : 7,700

I admitted its not a perfect metric but in mid-2018 it's a decent one for how many actually care : From holidays at home to going out to eat, I see a lot of kids watching a lot of games be played. Not only that but it's a great metric for how much money you can make playing these games : You may want to stream Destiny 2, but will it be hurting your stream? 50% more people are in the Realm Royale top stream than are in all of D2's streams, maybe you'll make more money playing that?

I have no issues with people enjoying what they want - my buddy who's $99 copy I bought for him still enjoys playing occasionally - but I do find it hilarious after all their tomfoolery that their base has largely moved on.
"Yes, new content costs money. Who would’ve thought? " is what you said; "We also can't pretend like the free update won't still alienate people : Even if you paid $100 day one, you'll still have to pay more for the full experience of what you wanted from Destiny in order to play with friends, clans, run raids etc. Offering new content but core updates free isn't the same as having then at launch when everyone is playing the same game - "You can play what you wanted how it should have been but half the people who would play with you moved on" isn't the same." is what I said previously. I take no issues with new content costing money, I take issue with the update being presented as free when new content drops at the same time the already small community will move onto. I can play old content alone or new content and spend more. That doesn't seem gross to you?

You keep rambling on about streaming when there are actual some kind of metrics that exist of people actually playing the game.

Destiny 2 is ranked 8 on Xbox live most popular game ranks. Ahead of overwatch, 11 spots ahead of state of decay 2 which topped npd this month. Destiny 2 always outpaced sod2 since the day it launched and you hear them champion some bs stat about 2 million players in two weeks.

So... keep trying.

And to the above post. D2 is cheap. You will be able to get all of year 1 and the next expansion at entry price of 60$ like always. It’s only “expensive” for day one players but they’ve also invested 1000s of hours already so even from the dollar to hour value perspective it’s nothing.

They need to go the subscription route already. The annual pass is the next step to move towards that but the console space may not be ready for that yet.
 
Last edited:
I played Warframe for the first time a few days ago. Really surprised me. I'm normally opposed to F2P bullshit, but they did a fantastic job on the world building and underlying systems. The gunplay is janky af compared to Destiny 1 (haven't bothered with D2) yet, but damn its way more interesting in the first few hours of game play than I expected.

Keep playing you will be blown away at whats to come.
 

jadedm17

Member
You keep rambling on about streaming when there are actual some kind of metrics that exist of people actually playing the game.
I've stated why I post twitch stats - which you ignore - and why the new DLC rubs me wrong and asked your genuine thoughts on that - which you've ignored - so okay then? In the small bubble of what people play on Xbox you are correct; In the big picture of what interests people to watch and what people can make a living playing that's where my Twitch metric comes. You may not care but I find it hilarious more people are watching Ninja Gaiden Black tonight than Destiny 2.
 

VertigoOA

Banned
I've stated why I post twitch stats - which you ignore - and why the new DLC rubs me wrong and asked your genuine thoughts on that - which you've ignored - so okay then? In the small bubble of what people play on Xbox you are correct; In the big picture of what interests people to watch and what people can make a living playing that's where my Twitch metric comes. You may not care but I find it hilarious more people are watching Ninja Gaiden Black tonight than Destiny 2.

Pretty sure more people are PLAYING Destiny tonight than ninja gaiden. Your twitch obsession is retarded. It’s not even close to an accurate measure when a single streamer can carry up to 50,000 viewers (if not significantly more) depending on what flavor of the month they play. I’ve watched dr.disrespect. Thought he was hilarious... had nothing to do with what he played.

Warmind and season 3 has some of the best Destiny period. I don’t care about your questions. You’re just a troll
 
Last edited:

7he Talon

Member
I just started playing Destiny 2 again. I had a 6 month break and have been enjoying it over the past couple of days.
 

Dice

Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
They say they've been listening to fans, but they haven't said anything about being able to change the appearance of your character after you have created them.
 

VertigoOA

Banned
I find it weird when players actually have their helmets off. Why? Last thing I like to see is bad anime-shit haircuts. Show off that gear people.

We’re finally get a vault solution so you never know. I never had a problem with vault space tho and I have like one of every weapon (like 200+) but I always scrap sparrows and ghosts and most armor.

Apparently Nolan North was voicing cayde in the closed doors campaign demo (seems placeholder tho). Fuck North man. His ghost sucks. He sucks.

Dinklebot 4 life.
 
Last edited:

Zok310

Banned
Did nothing for me.
Osiris was like a brain drain for me, so many of my buddies left that i was stuck playing 99% of Osiris solo. That experience killed the game for me.
Warmind was......ok, most of the team came back and we even got the 2 new raids done, so in the end we made up for Osiris. But the damage have already been done.
Its like seeing an ex 20 years later, like who cares at that point, the magic have worn off.
 

Toe-Knee

Member
According to Polygon, the pass is for the next three seasonal updates not just PvP.


Ah my bad. Usually the seasonal updates are pretty crap if they mean stuff like crimson days and the Christmas thing.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

I was quite hyped for it until they killed Cayde. I can't be playing listening to Zavala and ikora. The only thing that could make it worse is if they bring Eris back to replace him.
 
Top Bottom