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If I'm playing a Tomb Raider game, I want to play as Lara Croft. Not John Croft.

I am explaining things in structural matter. You may not like what I am saying, get offended by it, but it's my position and view on infantile and arrogant behavior
Lmao look at who is arrogant. I'm voicing a personal opinion, stating this is a rant is the OP but Mister Felessan think he's better than everyone and that his opinion is the only valid one. Go touch grass buddy.
You call fans "infantile", "arrogant", "trash", "lunatics", "rotten trash" and tell people they should "shut the fuck up"… and then you have the audacity to accuse me of being arrogant and trying to force my opinion as the only valid one?

You still try to force your opinion as the only valid one
Classic projection. Read again, I said multiple time it's ok if you like this. Don't try to spin what I'm saying it won't work buddy. But let's repeat myself again:
I never said my taste is the only valid one. I said I don't like this direction and I think it weakens the franchise. That's called having an opinion. You're the one writing walls of text about how old fans are irrelevant, their taste is "rotten trash", and they should shut up because the new majority is always right. Grow up buddy.

No, I don't agree that for audience of 2018 game Kratos serve the same role as for audience of OG trilogy, so it's not that critical to keep him around
You whole argument is that Kratos indispensable "because 20 years blablabla".
You keep blabling about brand identity, but current brand identity is just 2 games, and that brand identity had no problem shirking Kratos to sidelines. And OG trilogy identity is just rotten trash left in the history.

You are doing the same.
You are trying to monopolize seat of fan to push your agenda, same way Sweet baby did by saying that they activist for greater good, so companies should listen to them, even though they are in no way representative of masses
And masses spoken in regard to Faye - 6.5mio views and 400k likes directly indicates that it IS a direction and yours is just grumbling on internet

Yes, a vocal portion of fanbase that does not represent majority should just shut the fuck up.

It same problem with you as it is with Sweet Baby - just because you are so loud you think you got a right to represent silent majority and drive your trash in their mouths. It's not, you only have this right when your opinion/agenda/wishes are aligned with their. And if you want trash action for 12yo and majority wants Faye - you are on your own no matter how loud you scream

GoW ditched that stuff in 2018 - and it worked for them. And now you want reverse history on a good occasion and it'll work even worse than DEI trash. Good grief that SSM doesn't listen to most loud.

You can criticize all you want
When you stay in your bounds and not trying to monopolize or preach or other stuff "I know it better"
And I have my right to give opinion that if you want to be a constructive in criticism - you should account for opinion of majority and be mindful for whom game is really made. And not go into rage of cursing when it's not you.
Let's break it down:
  • You repeatedly say I'm "forcing my opinion", even though I've said multiple times "if you like it, good for you, I'm not stopping you"
  • You insult and dismiss old fans as irrelevant, low-taste whiners who should shut up… but then cry that I'm the one monopolizing the conversation
  • You compare customers simply criticizing a game direction to Sweet Baby Inc. (a company that actively pushes changes against audience wishes), while you're the one demanding that anyone who dislikes the Faye direction should stay silent
You want to have it both ways:
You want to aggressively attack people, call them names and tell them to shut up but the second someone pushes back, you play the victim and say "I'm just explaining things structurally". You say criticism is allowed… but only if it stays within your bounds, accepts the new direction and doesn't challenge the "majority = always right" narrative.
That's not how debate works.

I never claimed to speak for the majority. I said I don't like this direction and I think it's diluting what made God of War special. You're the one turning that into "these people are irrelevant trash who should shut up."
You're allowed to defend the Faye game. I'm allowed to say it looks like another modern AAA game that's losing its identity, drop the fake high ground.

Your whole approach is hypocritical, insulting people while lecturing them about arrogance. GTFO.
 
I still don't understand the OP purpose with this topic. He's already made his point clear: he doesn't like the game, and that's perfectly fair.

At the same time, there are people who liked the game (even if the OP seems to think they're easily impressed). So what's the point of this discussion?

The OP frames everything as his personal opinion, which is fine, but it feels pointless to create a topic if he's already made up his mind and clearly has no intention of changing it (which, again, is perfectly fine).

Do you want validation, OP? Is that the point?
 
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Lmao look at who is arrogant. I'm voicing a personal opinion, stating this is a rant is the OP but Mister Felessan think he's better than everyone and that his opinion is the only valid one. Go touch grass buddy.
You call fans "infantile", "arrogant", "trash", "lunatics", "rotten trash" and tell people they should "shut the fuck up"… and then you have the audacity to accuse me of being arrogant and trying to force my opinion as the only valid one?
And this is exactly difference
I am telling MY opinion about games or particular part of fanbase
I don't hide behind generalization and don't try to usurp fans name and keep portrait choices of game devs as bad ones based on some buzz words and personal ego

Classic projection. Read again, I said multiple time it's ok if you like this. Don't try to spin what I'm saying it won't work buddy. But let's repeat myself again:
I never said my taste is the only valid one. I said I don't like this direction and I think it weakens the franchise. That's called having an opinion. You're the one writing walls of text about how old fans are irrelevant, their taste is "rotten trash", and they should shut up because the new majority is always right. Grow up buddy.
You keep sprouting bullshit and wild fantasies.
You don't like me calling old fans irrelevant (even though it's very close to truth), I on the same notion don't like your astroturfing about "brand identity" and other stuff you keep plastering on new trilogy just because you are hurt with SSM direction. Those are all lies and wild delusions - you have no proof that there is ~any~ of brand identity that really ties old and new, 3 mio people can be successfully ignored already

Let's break it down:
  • You repeatedly say I'm "forcing my opinion", even though I've said multiple times "if you like it, good for you, I'm not stopping you"
  • You insult and dismiss old fans as irrelevant, low-taste whiners who should shut up… but then cry that I'm the one monopolizing the conversation
  • You compare customers simply criticizing a game direction to Sweet Baby Inc. (a company that actively pushes changes against audience wishes), while you're the one demanding that anyone who dislikes the Faye direction should stay silent
You want to have it both ways:
You want to aggressively attack people, call them names and tell them to shut up but the second someone pushes back, you play the victim and say "I'm just explaining things structurally". You say criticism is allowed… but only if it stays within your bounds, accepts the new direction and doesn't challenge the "majority = always right" narrative.
That's not how debate works.
I can explain it in simple terms. Criticism can be rational and then you should be able to argue your position without falling to constant repeating stuff you invented yourself. Or it can be irrational and then I can be irrational too with dismissing your position.
It's kinda simple approach to argumentation - you either prove you position with facts and consistent arguments or be ready that people will downplay your opinion.

I never claimed to speak for the majority. I said I don't like this direction and I think it's diluting what made God of War special. You're the one turning that into "these people are irrelevant trash who should shut up."
You're allowed to defend the Faye game. I'm allowed to say it looks like another modern AAA game that's losing its identity, drop the fake high ground.

Your whole approach is hypocritical, insulting people while lecturing them about arrogance. GTFO.
So.. you claim that you :
- don't speak for majority
- insist that game going wrong direction
- insist that game lose its identity by your understanding of latter
These concerns are only valid if you represent a valid portion of playerbase and going against your wishes hurt the game. Otherwise what it for, to rot brains of other people with pointless whining of nobody?
A proper answer was already given to you many times - for non-important minority it's "don't like it, don't play it. Game not for you, deal with it"
 
And this is exactly difference
I am telling MY opinion about games or particular part of fanbase
I don't hide behind generalization and don't try to usurp fans name and keep portrait choices of game devs as bad ones based on some buzz words and personal ego
Are you serious now? The difference is actually very simple: you're not "just giving your opinion", you're repeatedly insulting a large group of fans calling them infantile, trash, lunatics, rotten trash and telling them to shut the fuck up all while claiming moral high ground and accusing me of arrogance.
That's not "structural explanation." That's being an asshole and then playing victim when called out.

You got so triggered that I have a different opinion, it feels like you NEED me to like it or you'll lose sleep, writing books to prove whatever you want to prove.

You keep sprouting bullshit and wild fantasies.
You don't like me calling old fans irrelevant (even though it's very close to truth), I on the same notion don't like your astroturfing about "brand identity" and other stuff you keep plastering on new trilogy just because you are hurt with SSM direction. Those are all lies and wild delusions - you have no proof that there is ~any~ of brand identity that really ties old and new, 3 mio people can be successfully ignored already
Nice attitude. The franchise existed for over a decade before the reboot and built its entire reputation on Kratos. The 2018 success didn't happen in a vacuum, it rode on Kratos established popularity. Dismissing everyone who loved what the series originally was as irrelevant "rotten trash" is exactly why so many people are frustrated

"You have no proof of brand identity"
The brand is literally called God of War. The marketing, box art, trailers, and cultural image for nearly 20 years revolved around one character: Kratos. That's not a "wild fantasy". Pretending the identity suddenly reset in 2018 and only the last two games count is the actual delusion.

I can explain it in simple terms. Criticism can be rational and then you should be able to argue your position without falling to constant repeating stuff you invented yourself. Or it can be irrational and then I can be irrational too with dismissing your position.
It's kinda simple approach to argumentation - you either prove you position with facts and consistent arguments or be ready that people will downplay your opinion.
This is peak nonsense. By that logic, no one would ever be allowed to criticize anything until a poll proves they speak for 51% of players. Criticism doesn't require majority approval. People are allowed to say "this direction feels generic and loses what made the series special" without your permission.

Edit: By the way I reported you for your numerous insults. I'm fed up with this nonsense and I don't have to support it. Either you explain yourself without getting insulting, or you move on.

So.. you claim that you :
- don't speak for majority
- insist that game going wrong direction
- insist that game lose its identity by your understanding of latter
These concerns are only valid if you represent a valid portion of playerbase and going against your wishes hurt the game. Otherwise what it for, to rot brains of other people with pointless whining of nobody?
A proper answer was already given to you many times - for non-important minority it's "don't like it, don't play it. Game not for you, deal with it"
I've never said the game must cater to me. I've said I don't like it and I think replacing Kratos in the mainline series is a mistake that makes it feel like every other modern AAA game that's lost its soul. You can keep repeating "don't like it, don't play it" like a mantra.
I'll keep saying that fans are allowed to voice disappointment when a beloved franchise moves away from its core identity. That's not "whining." That's normal discussion.

You want the last word calling everyone irrelevant? Doesn't make you right, it just makes you obnoxious.

I still don't understand the OP purpose with this topic. He's already made his point clear: he doesn't like the game, and that's perfectly fair.

At the same time, there are people who liked the game (even if the OP seems to think they're easily impressed). So what's the point of this discussion?

The OP frames everything as his personal opinion, which is fine, but it feels pointless to create a topic if he's already made up his mind and clearly has no intention of changing it (which, again, is perfectly fine).

Do you want validation, OP? Is that the point?
WTF is wrong with having an opinion and sharing it? What's the point of this comment? Why are you upset I don't like the game? Do I have to provide a justification for every opinion I have?
It's a rant, you'll find plenty of this in Neogaf. You realize it's a gaming forum, right? I swear some of you are just children waiting for anything to attack people. Grow up, if you can't look at a different opinion without being passive-aggressive, it's on you.
 
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Are you serious now? The difference is actually very simple: you're not "just giving your opinion", you're repeatedly insulting a large group of fans calling them infantile, trash, lunatics, rotten trash and telling them to shut the fuck up all while claiming moral high ground and accusing me of arrogance.
That's not "structural explanation." That's being an asshole and then playing victim when called out.

You got so triggered that I have a different opinion, it feels like you NEED me to like it or you'll lose sleep, writing books to prove whatever you want to prove.


Nice attitude. The franchise existed for over a decade before the reboot and built its entire reputation on Kratos. The 2018 success didn't happen in a vacuum, it rode on Kratos established popularity. Dismissing everyone who loved what the series originally was as irrelevant "rotten trash" is exactly why so many people are frustrated

"You have no proof of brand identity"
The brand is literally called God of War. The marketing, box art, trailers, and cultural image for nearly 20 years revolved around one character: Kratos. That's not a "wild fantasy". Pretending the identity suddenly reset in 2018 and only the last two games count is the actual delusion.


This is peak nonsense. By that logic, no one would ever be allowed to criticize anything until a poll proves they speak for 51% of players. Criticism doesn't require majority approval. People are allowed to say "this direction feels generic and loses what made the series special" without your permission.


I've never said the game must cater to me. I've said I don't like it and I think replacing Kratos in the mainline series is a mistake that makes it feel like every other modern AAA game that's lost its soul. You can keep repeating "don't like it, don't play it" like a mantra.
I'll keep saying that fans are allowed to voice disappointment when a beloved franchise moves away from its core identity. That's not "whining." That's normal discussion.

You want the last word calling everyone irrelevant? Doesn't make you right, it just makes you obnoxious.


WTF is wrong with having an opinion and sharing it? What's the point of this comment? Why are you upset I don't like the game? Do I have to provide a justification for every opinion I have?
It's a rant, you'll find plenty of this in Neogaf. You realize it's a gaming forum, right? I swear some of you are just children waiting for anything to attack people. Grow up, if you can't look at a different opinion without being passive-aggressive, it's on you.
Calm down. lol

I don't care that you have an opinion; I just asked a reasonable question. You've already shared your opinion, so what more do you want?
 
Fat fucking chance. Gaf is the opposite of the purple forum and not in a good way. Both sides are at the extremes when it comes to opinions surrounding games. Middle ground is rare around here, I can only name about 5 people or so. Only good thing about gaf is that moderation is a million times more lenient, while the other place still bans you for calling women sexy.

What is extreme about wanting to play games without political agenda injected into them? Games we were seeing in the 90's, 2000's and 2010's.
 
No buddy, you went passive-aggressive and you know it.
That wasn't my intention, sorry.

Now, could you answer the question I asked before? You've already shared your opinion and vented your frustration. What else are you hoping to achieve?
 
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That wasn't my intention, sorry.
Fair, my bad as I'm getting fed up right now so you've been a collateral damage. So yeah, sorry too :messenger_spock:

Now, could you answer the question I asked before? You've already shared your opinion and vented your frustration. What else are you hoping to achieve?
If you look at the thread, you can see that I'm just defending my position (while always stating that if someone love the game, it's totally fine, just don't force that opinion on me).
But for some reason, this has turned into a personal crusade for some people, even getting insulting (which is why I was on the defensive with you, sorry again).
 
Fair, my bad as I'm getting fed up right now so you've been a collateral damage. So yeah, sorry too :messenger_spock:


If you look at the thread, you can see that I'm just defending my position (while always stating that if someone love the game, it's totally fine, just don't force that opinion on me).
But for some reason, this has turned into a personal crusade for some people, even getting insulting (which is why I was on the defensive with you, sorry again).
Well, you said that the people who liked the game were easy to please. But okay.

The fact is that the game is happening, whether people like it or not. You can complain about it or ignore it, but it will still be a game developed by one of the best studios in the industry. I'm confident it will have all the elements that make God of War great.

From my perspective, using Faye this way is perfectly fine and, honestly, quite interesting. Kratos will return eventually, but I think anyone who enjoys God of War is going to have a great time with Faye as well.
 
To anyone saying how people are sexist or whatever for not wanting a female lead in a game known for male lead character, answer me this: When did the opposite happen? When did a game like let's say BloodRayne go from a known female character to all of a sudden play as a dude? Never. Main female characters existed always, if there is not enough of them, make more games then instead of swapping out well known franchises.
They can call me sexists all they want, as soon as enemy troops invade ur country's border all of the feminism disseapers when confronted with reality anyways xD
 
Well, you said that the people who liked the game were easy to please. But okay.
Indeed, I said that if you think the writing is good, you are indeed easy to please as IMHO (because again this is just my opinion, not an ultimate truth) this game has all of the clichés of the last 10 years you can imagine.

The fact is that the game is happening, whether people like it or not. You can complain about it or ignore it, but it will still be a game developed by one of the best studios in the industry. I'm confident it will have all the elements that make God of War great.
And I choose to complain 🤷‍♂️
Because it's a franchise I care about, and because this is a gaming enthusiast forum. Now as I said in another post, Im' just gonna skip it and move on of course. That was just a thread to vent a bit, nothing more and you won't see me post how shit the writing sounds (to me) in every thread/trailer/post from now on. I'm just gonna ignore it and let people enjoy the game.

But this thread was made to vent. It's literally the first I ever do with this kind of subject, other than that I recently made a thread to praise ME, or several threads to talk about multiple gaming personalities (Peter Molineux, Todd Howard, Kojima and some more). Feel free to look at my post history, this is the first time I created a thread for something I don't like and I get petty replies from some users. It's a bit tiring ngl.

BTW I'm actually working on a thread with a comprehensive look at all the games from a big IP (not GoW lol) :messenger_beaming:

From my perspective, using Faye this way is perfectly fine and, honestly, quite interesting. Kratos will return eventually, but I think anyone who enjoys God of War is going to have a great time with Faye as well.
I'm really turned off by the writing and the art. I just can't but if you enjoy it, good for you !
I'll probably watch a story recap, follow the release from afar and that's it. Then I'll wait for the next GoW with Kratos, hopefully with better writing than Ragnarok/Laufey...
 
To be fair, when prince of Persia lost crown was announced, I also complained about not having the prince as the character, but.... The game turned pretty good right?

But I do agree we would have a bigger commotion if the character being replaced was a woman.
 
Indeed, I said that if you think the writing is good, you are indeed easy to please as IMHO (because again this is just my opinion, not an ultimate truth) this game has all of the clichés of the last 10 years you can imagine.


And I choose to complain 🤷‍♂️
Because it's a franchise I care about, and because this is a gaming enthusiast forum. Now as I said in another post, Im' just gonna skip it and move on of course. That was just a thread to vent a bit, nothing more and you won't see me post how shit the writing sounds (to me) in every thread/trailer/post from now on. I'm just gonna ignore it and let people enjoy the game.

But this thread was made to vent. It's literally the first I ever do with this kind of subject, other than that I recently made a thread to praise ME, or several threads to talk about multiple gaming personalities (Peter Molineux, Todd Howard, Kojima and some more). Feel free to look at my post history, this is the first time I created a thread for something I don't like and I get petty replies from some users. It's a bit tiring ngl.

BTW I'm actually working on a thread with a comprehensive look at all the games from a big IP (not GoW lol) :messenger_beaming:


I'm really turned off by the writing and the art. I just can't but if you enjoy it, good for you !
I'll probably watch a story recap, follow the release from afar and that's it. Then I'll wait for the next GoW with Kratos, hopefully with better writing than Ragnarok/Laufey...
Ok.

I won't comment on the "easy to please" topic, but that's not a great thing to say. It's basically like saying that everyone who liked the game has low standards. You can say that, of course, but it's not the best approach if you want to have a meaningful discussion.

As for the writing, I'm confident because Cory Barlog is deeply involved with this game, and I think he has earned enough credit to take risks, such as making a game centered around Faye.
 
What is extreme about wanting to play games without political agenda injected into them? Games we were seeing in the 90's, 2000's and 2010's.
Then play those games and stop crying about the other games that dont fit your agenda. Easy. But you wont. Youd rather farm karma on a forum while secretly enjoying Laufey just like the other place did with Hogwarts and Stellar Blade. Bunch of victims all of you.
 
Then play those games and stop crying about the other games that dont fit your agenda. Easy. But you wont. Youd rather farm karma on a forum while secretly enjoying Laufey just like the other place did with Hogwarts and Stellar Blade. Bunch of victims all of you.
We are the customers, we're allowed to voice our concerns, dislikes, likes, and praise.
 
We are the customers, we're allowed to voice our concerns, dislikes, likes, and praise.

Ironic considering you make fun of the other side when they voice "their concerns" about the game you love. Takes one to know one huh? Please. There's a difference between genuine concern and this, but sure, go at it, just like I'll voice my concerns about your "concerns".
 
Then play those games and stop crying about the other games that dont fit your agenda. Easy. But you wont. Youd rather farm karma on a forum while secretly enjoying Laufey just like the other place did with Hogwarts and Stellar Blade. Bunch of victims all of you.
Could you not just ignore the posts you don't like instead of crying about them?
 
Ironic considering you make fun of the other side when they voice "their concerns" about the game you love. Takes one to know one huh? Please. There's a difference between genuine concern and this, but sure, go at it, just like I'll voice my concerns about your "concerns".
So now you want to make this personal?

Seek counseling.
 
Then play those games and stop crying about the other games that dont fit your agenda. Easy. But you wont. Youd rather farm karma on a forum while secretly enjoying Laufey just like the other place did with Hogwarts and Stellar Blade. Bunch of victims all of you.

Why would I want to play games I already completed years ago?

When developers stop putting their woke ideology in their games, my complains about it will stop. They are forcing this shit into franchises that I liked (or loved), why would I not complain about this?
 
Ok.

I won't comment on the "easy to please" topic, but that's not a great thing to say. It's basically like saying that everyone who liked the game has low standards. You can say that, of course, but it's not the best approach if you want to have a meaningful discussion.
I see what you mean but at the same time we need to stop being oversensitive. People are getting too defensive as soon as something they like get criticized.

For example, I think Mass Effect is one of the best stories ever created, but someone might say, "I think it's poorly written because of X or Y", and that's perfectly fine. I'm not going to launch a crusade to convince him that he's wrong. It's his loss and whatever.

Or something more recent (especially with with the announcement of Dark Arisen 2) and more divisive: I really liked Dragon's Dogma 2, like... a lot. But it's usually perceived as mid at best. And it's ok, someone saying it's bad won't change my enjoyment. I'll just think to myself "this guy is wrong" and move on 🤷‍♂️

But I agree, the wording wasn't ideal.

As for the writing, I'm confident because Cory Barlog is deeply involved with this game, and I think he has earned enough credit to take risks, such as making a game centered around Faye.
I think I've said what I had to say ^^ but I'm glad we can at least talk normally. I really hope you'll enjoy the game, I'm also pretty sure gameplay wise it's gonna be great, if not the best of the series as they've clearly put all their expertise into this title. I'm in fact really eager to see the Trilogy Remake and the verticality introduced in Laufey made me think that maybe a 3rd person POV is happening for the remake. Which I think could be pretty cool.
 
Why would I want to play games I already completed years ago?

When developers stop putting their woke ideology in their games, my complains about it will stop. They are forcing this shit into franchises that I liked (or loved), why would I not complain about this?
And they remake classics for money and to retcon their ideological changes.

The entire entertainment industry is doing this, comrades.
 
Larry Croft

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I would play this game ngl.
 
My advice is, dont show your chat history to your wife, daughter, mother, etc.

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Are you fucking kidding me? My anger is directed towards woke retarded devs, DEI consultants and other idiots that are causing this, many of them are not women.

You know who hate women in this scenario? People I mentioned above, majority of real women are curvy and use makeup whenever they can (they want to look good) - for those activists it's unthinkable, for them all women must be ugly and flat.
 
I see what you mean but at the same time we need to stop being oversensitive. People are getting too defensive as soon as something they like get criticized.

For example, I think Mass Effect is one of the best stories ever created, but someone might say, "I think it's poorly written because of X or Y", and that's perfectly fine. I'm not going to launch a crusade to convince him that he's wrong. It's his loss and whatever.

Or something more recent (especially with with the announcement of Dark Arisen 2) and more divisive: I really liked Dragon's Dogma 2, like... a lot. But it's usually perceived as mid at best. And it's ok, someone saying it's bad won't change my enjoyment. I'll just think to myself "this guy is wrong" and move on 🤷‍♂️

But I agree, the wording wasn't ideal.


I think I've said what I had to say ^^ but I'm glad we can at least talk normally. I really hope you'll enjoy the game, I'm also pretty sure gameplay wise it's gonna be great, if not the best of the series as they've clearly put all their expertise into this title. I'm in fact really eager to see the Trilogy Remake and the verticality introduced in Laufey made me think that maybe a 3rd person POV is happening for the remake. Which I think could be pretty cool.
I'm not offended. In fact, I'm talking to you quite calmly because you're the one who became aggressive and defensive earlier.

But the point is: when you say that people are "easy to please", it's basically the same as saying, "you have no standards and will accept anything". And when you do that, your critic loses its focus. At that point, you're criticizing the person rather than the work itself.

You have every right to dislike what you saw and express your opinion. But the moment you start dismissing other people by saying they're "easy to please," you're basically trying to disregard anyone else's opinion, as if your own were the only one that matters.
 
I'm not offended. In fact, I'm talking to you quite calmly because you're the one who became aggressive and defensive earlier.

But the point is: when you say that people are "easy to please", it's basically the same as saying, "you have no standards and will accept anything". And when you do that, your critic loses its focus. At that point, you're criticizing the person rather than the work itself.

You have every right to dislike what you saw and express your opinion. But the moment you start dismissing other people by saying they're "easy to please," you're basically trying to disregard anyone else's opinion, as if your own were the only one that matters.
Fair enough, I think we both said what we wanted to say and can agree to disagree :messenger_spock:
 
Uncharted was the male Laura Croft though right?
Yup, new ip, new title, new devteam, didnt leech off from previous entries in the series, but build its own fame on its own, properly, deserves every bit of praise it gets, even those first 3 entries, played remasters of those(still got my physical ps4 copy) and they rocked, still do :)
 
Are you fucking kidding me? My anger is directed towards woke retarded devs, DEI consultants and other idiots that are causing this, many of them are not women.

You know who hate women in this scenario? People I mentioned above, majority of real women are curvy and use makeup whenever they can (they want to look good) - for those activists it's unthinkable, for them all women must be ugly and flat.
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If a new character should take over even just for one game, only partially in some segments or whatever it better be a great character. No one likes a character that is just piggy back riding on the success of something else.
 
Uncharted was the male Laura Croft though right?
Please, Uncharted was always thought at Naughty Dogs as a straight indiana jones.

It seems most people in the thread don't even know Tomb raider is actually a On the Waterfront what if story about Terry Malloy not throwing the fight at the mafia's behest and having to relocate to england and change his gender to avoid being killed. The new life witness protection program cooks up is that of an aristocratic English archaeologist and treasure hunter. So you were indeed playing a dude all along, one of the most charismatic dudes of the 20th century.
 
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It was more than random Valhalla references. Multiple developers and insiders have talked about Egypt as the next setting after Ragnarök. A Kratos in Egypt game was something a lot of fans were genuinely excited for. Instead, we got this Faye project which clearly diverted time and resources away from a proper mainline sequel. That's a legitimate point of frustration.

And anyway, at the end of the day it's not even really about the location. I don't care, surprise me SM. It's about continuing Kratos' story in the franchise that was built around him for nearly 20 years.


We are talking about an established franchise with very defined codes. And again, you like it? Fine. I should be able to say I don't without having to justify everything and getting called out.

As for Santa Monica, they can make whatever they want, indeed. We can also say that this direction feels like a downgrade and a missed opportunity for the main series. It's not entitlement, it's having standards and preferences for a franchise we care about.

If you're excited for Faye, good for you. I'm not. And I'm not going to pretend everything is fine just because "they don't owe us anything."
Again we don't have to agree, it's fine. But don't come into the thread just to lecture me with "then don't play it."

This is a discussion forum. I'm allowed to criticize the direction without needing your permission.


On the visuals, the pink wasn't just barrels, look again. And it goes with character design, writing, overall art direction etc etc... We even have an adorable little puppy that trips all by itself hihi, it's so funny! It's like a collection of all the clichés from the last 10 years combined into one game, and in the worst possible way.

And it's all very different from the gritty, mythic atmosphere the series is known for. And yes, the combat looked closer to the original games… but with a protagonist who doesn't carry the same weight or fantasy as Kratos. I don't care about Faye, I play GoW to be... the God of war.


Talking only for me but can we please stop this stupid take? Mass Effect is one of my favorite trilogy and we can clearly agree that it was ahead of it's time on many current subjects. Playing as a woman is not a problem, diversity is not a problem, black white yellow green skinned character is not a problem. I don't care. One of my most anticipated game is Fable, yet it get criticized for being "woke". I can't beleive I have to justify myself because I have a different opinion about a game.

But I imagine it's easier to put everyone who disagrees with you into the same category.
I guess you missed my sarcasm there.
 
New GoW looks like shit along with a lame looking main character and a crappy companion with boring personalities. But in their one defense I think it still makes sense to have a new character since they did put her name after the title. It's similar to Mad Max: Furisoa where the title is called Mad Max but than they put Furisoa afterwards so basically taking place in that same universe but just a focus on another character.

Are you fucking kidding me? My anger is directed towards woke retarded devs, DEI consultants and other idiots that are causing this, many of them are not women.

You know who hate women in this scenario? People I mentioned above, majority of real women are curvy and use makeup whenever they can (they want to look good) - for those activists it's unthinkable, for them all women must be ugly and flat.
Amen

Everyone knows what you meant but that poster always gave off purple weirdo vibes so no surprise there he'll get it completely wrong or pretend to.
 
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We really need to stop believing the "50% of gamers are women" horseshit, and we should have stomped that lie into the ground over a decade ago:

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Whenever this discussion comes up because of a bunch of whiny, bitchy feminists and their little lapdog sexual predators, sorry, "MaLe ALLiEs" it is always in the context of female character design in AA or AAA games and using it as an excuse to make them look like mutants. Women do not make up a significant portion of these games, period. Excluding their shitty mobile games, most women make it a weird sense of self pride to hate video games in fact. Here's the actual breakdown of genre statistics if we take out their mobile game trash. This is from 2023:

https://newzoo.com/resources/blog/s...rs-and-how-they-play-and-spend-on-video-games

The most important statistic is this quote right here:

"Nearly half (44%) of female players play only on mobile platforms (exclusive mobile gaming is more popular among women than men)".

Not only that but here's this as well:

"As shown above, 36% of women players consider themselves gamers, while that figure jumps past 50% for male players. Also, 44% of male players are referred to as gamers by others, compared to 31% of female-identifying players".

Even more damning is this:

Going a bit further into gamer identification, 44% of women gamers consider themselves "casual gamers," 16% more than the share for men. Conversely, 37% of men who play games view themselves as "core gamers." Under a quarter of women who play games share this sentiment".

When conducting a survey of college aged females in 2015, 45% of them spent literally 0 hours playing video games:

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Now I probably don't agree with their definition of "core" gamer, but that's beside the point. Even going by the normie definition of "core" aka console AA and AAA landfill games like sportsball and COD, women do not play them in significant numbers, nor do they consider themselves hardcore gamers going by their own admissions.

According to a 2024 Statista chart that examined gender breakdown on gaming habits on PC/consoles in over 20 countries, (excluding mobile), this is the most important stat:

https://www.statista.com/chart/3406...-Aj840ubwRkhUTmq--sgmK5OhAd4fz1WS-rGNYo_lwanR

"Of the 21 countries polled in this survey, an average of 28 percent of female respondents said they regularly played on PCs while an average of 22 percent said the same for game consoles".

2017 Quantic Foundry survey with over 200,000 participants:

https://quanticfoundry.com/2017/01/19/female-gamers-by-genre/

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Big fucking surprise. The meme of "women only play Bejeweled clones" is literally true. 69% of them (nice) consider that kind of bullshit the most engaging and interesting video games to them. It's of course followed by Casual/Puzzle, Atmospheric Exploration, Interactive Drama, and finally MMO's, the only real core game genre at 36%. The funny part is that it probably isn't even for the gameplay but for the socialization elements as we can see from the preceding Atmospheric Exploration and Interactive Drama genres they love so much. JRPGs and WRPGs are next up for actual games worth a damn at 33% and 26% respectively. The beautiful irony of this split is that apparently women prefer playing games starring those icky, "problematic" waifus more than Western RPGs with their busted up "realistic" women lol.

Even for Nintendo, women overall only make up 25% of their most valuable consumer base, with only Animal Crossing having a majority and Kirby skewing slightly for women:
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Oh, and let me destroy the argument that women are actively asking for masculine and ugly female characters too while I'm at it:

Goddess of Victory: Nikke, a game with waifus so sexy that the Soul Calibur and Senran Kagura cast look like nuns in comparsion apparently has a 40% female fanbase to the point where the game rakes in millions like its chump change:
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In a study wherein female participants were asked to choose between playing as an ugly female or a sexy one, the female participants said they "''disliked""" the sexy ones, but overwhelmingly still chose them lol:

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Finally, in a poll conducted by Capcom of over 200,000 fans, both male and female, the second most important feature in a game is unique/ATTRACTIVE characters. Not realisic, not ugly, but explicitly stated ATTRACTIVE. Granted, the majority of Capcom fans (like just about every major gaming company fan is male), but it shows that no, there isn't this massive crying for busted up female charcters:

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TLDR: majority of women hate video games and being called a gamer, most of the games they like have literally nothing to do with AA or AAA games, and even if they did that doesn't mean they're asking developers to make these ugly mutant characters for "RePrEsEnTaTiOn". Activists are bald faced fucking liars.
You have to understand, when women asked if they like or dislike a sexy female character, they are evaluating that female character as a 3rd party, in other words, as another women who is potentially competition, so of course they dislike women they consider more of a threat to them at drawing male attention. When choosing which character to play, the are being asked who they'd rather be, and of course they choose the one that is more attractive because just about every human being wants to be more attractive.
 
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