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‘Star Wars’ Setback: ‘Game Of Thrones’ Duo David Benioff & D.B. Weiss Exit Trilogy
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sol_bad
Member
Mandalorian won't give Disney 1 billion dollars, no TV show ever will.
TLJ potentially being the lowest grossing movie of the new trilogy makes TLJ look good?
Aight bro.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
The only reason I want to watch episode 9 is so I can watch the half in the bag episode. Thanks RLM!
#Phonepunk#
Banned
I’m skipping 9 and watching RLM right away. Thanks RLM!
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I need to watch it first so I can develop my own thoughts about the movie before hearing anyone else's. That way I can be sure I'm not simply parroting someone else's opinion.
iconmaster
Banned
When they officially drop Rian, I'll throw a little party.
I really wish they would stop all plans related to a post-Skywalker era. Instead of screwing up the existing lore any more, start over and return to the roots of Sith v. Jedi. Explore the war that ultimately lead to the rule of 2, and put the writing firmly in the hands of life long fanboys / fangirls who appreciate the lore many of us have spent 20-45 years enjoying before Disney let their marketing people ruin the series.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
the first sentence is literally impossible. already your opinion has been influenced by years of discussion and now months of leaks and stuff. nobody exists in a vacuum. especially given the world's most famous and most discussed IP of the past 50 years.
besides, im confident enough in my own opinions. it's not like if i watch a video then it imprints the views of Jay and Rich over my own. that's silly. a RLM video is not going to turn a good movie into a shitty movie.
already from the footage made available it is not appealing to me. they doubled down on the Prestige TV look, on rehashing old shit, on using "new" planets that are just renamed versions of the old planets. already i have an opinion on this film without it coming out, due to what i have seen of it so far. it looks bad.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
What is the name of that strategy where you pretend to value a toxic asset, overinflate its price, then let a competitor buy it for way too much money?
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Nah, it's possible. All you need to do is see the movie before discussing it with friends or reading others' opinions.
That would be my opinion of everything up until now. Not the new movie, because I haven't seen it yet. I also haven't read up on the leaks and other things because I hardly give a shit about Star Wars anymore and don't go looking for it.
Cool, so am I.
That would be silly, and that's not what I was implying.
That's also not what I was implying either.
Which is just that. An opinion on the film based on the preview stuff. I'm talking about an opinion on the film based on the film itself. These are two different things.
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Yeah, let's pretend they are the victim here
Disney sycophants buying trash is no longer impressive news. We know it will make money
Jon Neu
Banned
One? Season 7 is even worst than the final season. The two last seasons of what could have been the best TV series ever, where the most low quality shit ever. They just didn't even care, or maybe they don't have the capacity to write. Probably both.
Kadayi
Banned
It must warm GRRMs heart to see everyone shitting on Benioff and Weiss all the time, even though when they got into bed with him to make the TV series of Game of Thrones 10 years back they didn't necessarily expect that he wouldn't hold up his end of the bargain as a producer on the series and actually complete the books. Sure, the final couple of series of Game of throne a little rushed and lacking as they were working off an outline, but let's not leave out GRRMs key role in this of being the biggest procrastinator in the world. I mean jeez did we really need 'The World of Ice and Fire' or 'Fire and Blood?' (the latter is some turgid shit of the first order) versus pulling his finger out and bringing the series to a conclusion before the series ended.
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MisterHero
Super Member
If anything, Star Wars was severely undervalued at $4 billion. No matter what though, Lucas has half of that in Disney stock and it's gonna keep growing.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
Final season backlash has made everyone forget history. These dudes still helped create the biggest tv show post Breaking Bad most companies wish they could get a slice of that GOT magic.
Even if they “messed up” the last two seasons beyond watchability, that is still, what, 40+ hours of solid fantasy?
Even if they “messed up” the last two seasons beyond watchability, that is still, what, 40+ hours of solid fantasy?
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I'm not talking about Star Wars.If anything, Star Wars was severely undervalued at $4 billion. No matter what though, Lucas has half of that in Disney stock and it's gonna keep growing.
Fbh
Member
Sure, but as soon as they no longer had any source material to use the quality of the show started to decline at a steady rate until the shit show that was the final season.
So I'm not sure it's the people you want in charge of creating a whole new Star Wars project, specially with the "just make shit up as we go" mentality that Disney has been using for everything Star Wars related.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
yeah but Star Wars is just about rejuggling already created source content. we have both ROTJ2 and Boba Fett tv show coming out soon, neither of these are wholly original works. plus they own all EU that they pick and choose from at will. so it isn't like they will have to make anything new. even with Old Republic stuff there is tons of pre written KOTOR stories, decades worth, to pick and choose from.
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TUROK
Member
You're right, they're not the victims. The victims are the fans, the whiny, pathetic fans who have nothing in their lives except their obsessive love for a TV show/book series.
Poor them. Now they have nothing except the will to bitch.
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Jon Neu
Banned
Do you need a hug?
TUROK
Member
I'm not that into GoT so I'm good, thanks.
Screamer-RSA
Member
Dammit! I wanted to see these hacks fuckup Star Wars even more.
Consider my expectations subverted
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#Phonepunk#
Banned
don't worry, plenty of other hacks on hand to fuck it up!Dammit! I wanted to see these hacks fuckup Star Wars even more.
Consider my expectations subverted
nah, they are only human. they only have enough time in the day. they will be making a new streaming show, maybe some movies as well, add a full trilogy on top of that, and that's just too much work. there probably literally isn't enough time in the day.
the guys they have now can't make Star Wars work and they are already spending 2 years working just on the movie. imagine how much worse they would be if JJ was also working on tv shows & other movies at the same time. to do streaming and a trilogy at once, that's a big ask.
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Halo is Back
Member
This is only good news. I will never wish ill will on anyone’s career simply because they just fucked up but these two clowns didn’t give a fuck and rushed something that many many fans loved just because they wanted it to be over.
newtypepilot
Member
D&D: we kinda forgot about Star Wars
Expectations subverted!!!
Expectations subverted!!!
#Phonepunk#
Banned
they can actually make a brand new sci fi universe at Netflix if they want. more importantly, they will own it, the way they kind of owned GOT. over at Disney they would be another cog in the machine, easily fire-able and override-able. by contrast, at Netflix they have a lot more freedom, plus probably a lot more to personally gain from owning a new IP, rather than doing a few entries in one owned by someone else, someone that is famously controlling of their properties. in the long run this may have been the better choice.
plus, if they have been thinking of any characters or settings or anything, they can just use that. they can easily make a sci fi fantasy series on Netflix to rival The Mandalorian. we may end up seeing the stuff they would have done for Star Wars on Netflix instead. without the ratings restrictions and poor management choices. this thing has been known for a while, they must at least have some rough outlines for stories and original characters. i mean, im guessing that in the year or so this has been known, they've sat down and come up with planet and character names at least.
plus, if they have been thinking of any characters or settings or anything, they can just use that. they can easily make a sci fi fantasy series on Netflix to rival The Mandalorian. we may end up seeing the stuff they would have done for Star Wars on Netflix instead. without the ratings restrictions and poor management choices. this thing has been known for a while, they must at least have some rough outlines for stories and original characters. i mean, im guessing that in the year or so this has been known, they've sat down and come up with planet and character names at least.
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Kadayi
Banned
Plus it can be for adults.
Silent Duck
Member
You know a paranoid, conspiracy nut might think it went down like this.
After Disney execs finally watched the last season of Game of Thrones.
After Disney execs finally watched the last season of Game of Thrones.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
and D&D can own their thing and Netflix can have a sci fi fantasy to compete. its a streaming war thing IMO.
they are rolling out D+, a direct competitor to Netflix, in a matter of weeks. there is a conflicting business interest at hand. regardless of any creative issues, for largely business reasons, this was bound to fail.
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Punished Miku
Gold Member
It's not a Netflix show. Its total ownership over their output for multiple projects, similar to the deal JJ has been trying to get himself at an extremely high price. It's a new type of mega deal that is happening now with elite content creators as all streaming services continue bidding on content.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Exactly. All they need to do is pick another book.
There's lots of books out there people. These guys aren't talentless. Jesus
triplestation
Member
this news shows up in the midst of the dragon show news and cancellation of the other?
can it be?
can it be?
D
Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
The problem is that they messed up in such a spectacular fashion to completely invalidate your interest and investment in the series up until that point. The way they tried to hastily wrap everything up and just conveniently forget about major plot lines and themes (which are for 8th grade book reports, apparently) in a rush to move the fuck on to other projects was such a horrible injustice to the series and everyone involved in making it successful. The source material is still stellar if you ask me and even the end state we got could have made sense if enough time was spent to get us there, but they just completely fucked it for those last few seasons.
Halo is Back
Member
They can adapt material but let’s not play games here. GOT was successful mostly because of the cast, crew, directors, and most importantly George RR. The best seasons were the ones they followed closely to the material and George also co-wrote the episodes. The later seasons exposed them as the mediocre to shit writers they actually are.
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sol_bad
Member
John Campea has a point. D&D signed a contract with Disney/Lucasfilm to make a trilogy.
You don't and can't just walk away from a signed contract. The contractors can generally walk away but not the contractees.
He also talks about all the other people that have walked away from Star Wars and Kathleen Kennedy.
You don't and can't just walk away from a signed contract. The contractors can generally walk away but not the contractees.
He also talks about all the other people that have walked away from Star Wars and Kathleen Kennedy.
Tevious
Member
Rian Johnson: Hold my root beer.
Halo is Back
Member
These asshats ruined GOT for Star Wars and now they have the gal to just leave. I don’t know all of the behind scenes facts but it’s shitty to know GOT was ruined for nothing now
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Too good for us.
