yeah, i noticed that. not sure what exactly was going on but it bothered my eyes.
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10 Cloverfield Lane |SPOILER THREAD -OT-Hybrid| Its still not Voltron
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yeah, i noticed that. not sure what exactly was going on but it bothered my eyes.
BuggyDClown
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Not just in iMax. Shit had too much motion blur. It was likely partly due to a wide angle lens being used for the small space. Made me miss 48fps for a moment, I hate motion putting objects out of focus during movements.
Been doing a lot of thinking on that ending, and how it reinforces that the movie is the story of how Michelle changes. Specifically how she goes from running from her problems to confronting her problems.
She begins the film unable and unwilling to face her problems. Something happened with her husband, and she packs up and leaves. She is literally running away. But the movie makes a point that this doesn't solve her problems. They still follow her. Ben calls, she answers, but she isn't even willing to talk. In fact, the problem is still so present for her despite her attempt to escape it that it completely distracts her from what's really going on. It distracts her from the radio giving early warning signs/clues to a massive event. It distracts her from the truck about to crash into her. She hasn't really escaped her problem at all. In this way she begins the film trapped, long before she ever wakes up in the bunker.
Once she does wake up in the bunker she's forced to confront her problems head on. She has no other choice if she's going to survive. The circumstance necessities that she does so. One of the first plans she formulates and attempts is to again run away, but this quickly proves to not be an option. So she must confront her problems directly. It forces her to adapt, to become increasingly aware of her surroundings, her position, her situation. It takes time, patience, and effort, but she works on it. She thereby grows as a person due to her experience in the bunker. It is training her how to manage and deal with her problems.
When things inevitably go crazy, she is able to spring into action and finally get out of the bunker. But getting out of the bunker isn't the end. That is merely escaping, running away. As I said, she starts the movie trapped. Her problems don't begin and end with Howard and the bunker, the problems are really external from that. Literally. This is why the film can't end here.
Enter the aliens, the big, giant, loud metaphor for all of this. Everything that has happened in the bunker has prepared her to face this external problem. She eventually winds up in the pickup truck, a counterpoint her car ride at the beginning of the film. Whereas then the problem was manifesting from inside the vehicle with the phone as surrogate, and thereby manifesting from her, now the threat is external, and the objects inside the car are her tools to deal with it. She is able to deal with it.
Far from the character at the beginning of the film who was so distracted by her problem she was blinded, she is now hyper aware. She is able to see and process what is going on, and how to deal with it head on. She processes the air is clean, that sounds get the attention of the aliens, that the gas is flammable. All these small moments and details that she's taking in and can use. So when she sees the bottle of booze she grabbed at the beginning of the film inside the vehicle, she is able to process the information and put it to use, obliterating the giant external problem threatening her. She's pulling the strength and tools to fight from within.
This is the climax of what she learned about herself and how she changed, but the final scene solidifies it. Her taking down the alien ship was again her being forced to confront her problems, so it's incredibly important that at the end she makes a choice to continue to confront her problems. She is making a choice to fight, and more than that to help others fight as well.
She starts the film running and ends the film making the choice to confront, and we get that character arc in an incredibly competent, tight, and confident film that wastes nothing and deftly navigates genre. EDIT: (Just realized the first track on the soundtrack is titled "Michelle" and the last track before the end credits track is "The New Michelle.")
She begins the film unable and unwilling to face her problems. Something happened with her husband, and she packs up and leaves. She is literally running away. But the movie makes a point that this doesn't solve her problems. They still follow her. Ben calls, she answers, but she isn't even willing to talk. In fact, the problem is still so present for her despite her attempt to escape it that it completely distracts her from what's really going on. It distracts her from the radio giving early warning signs/clues to a massive event. It distracts her from the truck about to crash into her. She hasn't really escaped her problem at all. In this way she begins the film trapped, long before she ever wakes up in the bunker.
Once she does wake up in the bunker she's forced to confront her problems head on. She has no other choice if she's going to survive. The circumstance necessities that she does so. One of the first plans she formulates and attempts is to again run away, but this quickly proves to not be an option. So she must confront her problems directly. It forces her to adapt, to become increasingly aware of her surroundings, her position, her situation. It takes time, patience, and effort, but she works on it. She thereby grows as a person due to her experience in the bunker. It is training her how to manage and deal with her problems.
When things inevitably go crazy, she is able to spring into action and finally get out of the bunker. But getting out of the bunker isn't the end. That is merely escaping, running away. As I said, she starts the movie trapped. Her problems don't begin and end with Howard and the bunker, the problems are really external from that. Literally. This is why the film can't end here.
Enter the aliens, the big, giant, loud metaphor for all of this. Everything that has happened in the bunker has prepared her to face this external problem. She eventually winds up in the pickup truck, a counterpoint her car ride at the beginning of the film. Whereas then the problem was manifesting from inside the vehicle with the phone as surrogate, and thereby manifesting from her, now the threat is external, and the objects inside the car are her tools to deal with it. She is able to deal with it.
Far from the character at the beginning of the film who was so distracted by her problem she was blinded, she is now hyper aware. She is able to see and process what is going on, and how to deal with it head on. She processes the air is clean, that sounds get the attention of the aliens, that the gas is flammable. All these small moments and details that she's taking in and can use. So when she sees the bottle of booze she grabbed at the beginning of the film inside the vehicle, she is able to process the information and put it to use, obliterating the giant external problem threatening her. She's pulling the strength and tools to fight from within.
This is the climax of what she learned about herself and how she changed, but the final scene solidifies it. Her taking down the alien ship was again her being forced to confront her problems, so it's incredibly important that at the end she makes a choice to continue to confront her problems. She is making a choice to fight, and more than that to help others fight as well.
She starts the film running and ends the film making the choice to confront, and we get that character arc in an incredibly competent, tight, and confident film that wastes nothing and deftly navigates genre. EDIT: (Just realized the first track on the soundtrack is titled "Michelle" and the last track before the end credits track is "The New Michelle.")
deadscreensky
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That ending was some of the laziest, on-the-nose writing I've ever seen in a film. Ridiculous and insulting.
Really liked the movie otherwise, but man, how do you judge something that makes you want to throw stuff at the screen during the last minute? And not because of what happens, just because of how clunky and dumb the writing is.
It's definitely ripe for memehood, if it hasn't reached that already. Character development as fucking street signs with radio commentary, my god.
Really liked the movie otherwise, but man, how do you judge something that makes you want to throw stuff at the screen during the last minute? And not because of what happens, just because of how clunky and dumb the writing is.
It's definitely ripe for memehood, if it hasn't reached that already. Character development as fucking street signs with radio commentary, my god.
Incitemaybe
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I liked the entire film but the Molotov cocktail was ridiculous :/
Seriously, I can forgive many oversights or bad choices....but.....I can't tell myself that was ok.
Seriously, I can forgive many oversights or bad choices....but.....I can't tell myself that was ok.
The ship was filled with that green gas, that gas was shown to be flammable, and one cocktail would do the job.
Unless of course you mean her throwing it in general and nailing it's mouth.
Learn to love the intentional tonal shift that does what it sets out to do (in this case, from intense psychological thriller to sci-fi schlock) Because it almost never happens.
Nickdogmoneycash
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Can someone clear something up for me?
At the very end we see Michelle in the car listening to the radio broadcast, and she has two options; go left onto Houston or go straight onto a different part of the country. The movie acted like she was making a real dramatic and bold decision by going left. What were the two options being presented to her there? I think the radio mentioned it, but I didn't catch it.
At the very end we see Michelle in the car listening to the radio broadcast, and she has two options; go left onto Houston or go straight onto a different part of the country. The movie acted like she was making a real dramatic and bold decision by going left. What were the two options being presented to her there? I think the radio mentioned it, but I didn't catch it.
zyxwvu4321
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The radio broadcast was calling for people to come to Houston to join the fight against the aliens (the southern seaboard had already been retaken). So her choice was to go and fight instead of running away like she had been up until that point.
Japanmanx3
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They had taken back the southern border. Baton Rouge was the safe zone. But Houston needed help. She decided to go help than just go to the safe zone.
Nickdogmoneycash
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Ahh ok, thanks! That was a pretty ballsy move by her, considering she was terrified of those things just a few moments before. Thanks for the help
Probably not going to be carrying your wallet around in the bunker.
zeioIIDX
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Hell, I nearly cried at the start when she was deciding to pack up and leave after dropping her ring onto the table. I reckon she was engaged, not married. Then during the car ride when she ignored his calls before finally picking up and being silent...as she proceeds to hang up on him. 'Cause I've been that guy calling and I've had that woman who runs when things are going great but some stupid-ass argument causes a rift. I couldn't help but tear up because of how well that entire potion was filmed and how close to home it hit me. What really made me tear up was seeing the camera pan over to her discarded ring as she walked out.
What bothers me is when she and Emmett are discussing regrets and she mentions she has some...it wasn't about running from her fiancé. It was totally unrelated to that. I figured that would be what she regretted. It made me feel a little bitter because I've had this problem where I feel like women can forget I exist and move on in such short time like it's nothing. And it hurts. Maybe she did still regret running from Ben and she just didn't wanna bring him up though. After all, she WAS about to reach for the phone that final time before the car got hit so who knows?
By the way: something that creeped me out a lot was just how nimble and quick those whale ships are. They are huge yet they can turn on a dime and speed through the air and you wouldn't expect something that large to glide around so fast! Watching it kinda felt like something I'd witness in a nightmare where I'm running from some terrible thing that has tentacles to scoop me up with from a distance and no matter how fast I am, it's always quicker. The design reminded me of something out of Prey or Turok...that bio-mech shit lol. Living ships and all that. *shudder* That ship creeped me out more than the on-the-ground grunt that sucked her mask off her face haha. Then again, I suffer from megalophobia so large, towering, foreign-looking machinery and structures creeps me out especially if there are pipes everywhere or it emits a low humming noise. Tesla coils? No thanks. NASA's training pool? Hell no. Nuclear reactor cooling towers? Fuck that, nearly had a panic attack the day I drove right up next to one and saw the huge amount of water rushing down past the pillars on the inside.
Yeh. She was in his "bedroom" when she was looking through his wallet.
"God's Beard!"
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Just watched it today. Liked the movie well enough until the ending. I get the goal of the scene and the hints up until that point, but the sudden sci fi nonsense was such an unearned tonal shift that my suspension of disbelief went right out the window.
You could easily get the same character moments without going that route and it really didn't work for me on any level. Really disappointed. Really threw away all the tension they worked so hard to establish.
Probably not something I'll go around recommending.
You could easily get the same character moments without going that route and it really didn't work for me on any level. Really disappointed. Really threw away all the tension they worked so hard to establish.
Probably not something I'll go around recommending.
Her arc is to stop walking away from problems. From the girl in the market, to her husband. Now, she's gonna fight aliens head on.Ahh ok, thanks! That was a pretty ballsy move by her, considering she was terrified of those things just a few moments before. Thanks for the help
Did anyone not notice the alien ship in the clouds on that last shot? I wonder if people missed that.
Bobby Roberts
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";198685455] the sudden sci fi nonsense[/QUOTE]
The whole thing is sci-fi nonsense.
It's called Cloverfield Lane.
The whole thing is sci-fi nonsense.
It's called Cloverfield Lane.
I don't see how anyone could miss it. They flashed the lightning like 3 times so you could see the huge ass ship. Pretty great image.
Elitist1945
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Kinda like Terminator's ending, now that I'm thinking about it. Minus the aliens, obviously.
"What did he say?"
"He said there's a storm coming"
"...I know"
Incitemaybe
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Yes, the ace basket from the truck.....and just feeling fine after being dropped. Can't get behind it.
Learn to love the intentional tonal shift that does what it sets out to do (in this case, from intense psychological thriller to sci-fi schlock) Because it almost never happens.
I'm fine with the tonal shift
Doctor Bat
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By the molotov coktail scene, this film was practically screaming reasons why Dan Trachtenberg should be given the reigns of a Half Life or (official this time) Portal film.
Bobby Roberts
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So far as the truck being dropped - I'm remembering that sequence as the arms completely straightening as the ship itself drops about 5-10 feet. The speed at which the arms straighten makes it look like a fall, and then there's a shot that shows the arms locking. Then there's another explosion, and THAT's when the truck is released.
if I remember correctly, the truck basically falls backwards onto its rear wheels from a distance of about 10 feet.
if I remember correctly, the truck basically falls backwards onto its rear wheels from a distance of about 10 feet.
There's a wide shot where it definitely looked like the arms/tentacles were still holding on to the truck for most of the fall. Like it was struggling to hold on as it exploded, and kind of gave the visual of the truck falling through tree branches in a weird way? It didn't read as a free fall from 100 feet up to me.
Yup, that's what happens. The arms fall downward, breaking the truck's fall, then let go. She only actually drops ~10 feet at most.
manfestival
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saw this in the morning. I am very glad that I went into it without knowing anything about the movie other than it being a good movie. This is one movie to recommend even though I even questioned myself on even going to see the movie. The alien stuff was nice but I was hoping for more of a real tie together with the clovefield movie
Fantastical
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I knew people would have issues with the post-bunker stuff, but I loved it. Fully expected her to die, and I love that she didn't. It was unrealistic, but... I dug it.
Yes!!! That's why I loved it. Only a handful of movies do this and I love it.
TheSlySoul
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I actually would not mind so much. If each film is going for a different tone, then make it a scary war movie. First was scary POV, then scary drama.
Also the people who are mad that it ended up with monsters forgot Cloverfield was a kaiju movie. Going to guess Cloverfield is the name of the species.
AHA-Lambda
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Just back from it, enjoyed it quite a lot, despite not being a fan of the first.
Not sure if it's supposed to be obvious or not but are the aliens in this connected to the monster from the first or not?
Not sure if it's supposed to be obvious or not but are the aliens in this connected to the monster from the first or not?
Prototype Viktor
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The intro and the ending so jarring. The middle bowlling. Living air ship beautiful
No it's basically same "universe" but different movie genre
Solid SOAP
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Great until it become monster mayhem
Daffy Duck
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Just got back from watching it sand loved it.
Love that it's same universe stuff bit different story.
Still processing it all but I really can't wait to watch it again.
Goldman was creepy as hell.
Love that it's same universe stuff bit different story.
Still processing it all but I really can't wait to watch it again.
Goldman was creepy as hell.
Fantastical
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OmegaSmash
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Does the ARG show how the movie is set in the same universe? Because shit didn't feel like it at all, asshole monster and fart ship and all. And that lady that went crazy. Is she explained in the ARG too?
Also, the whole sign thing was hilariously dumb. Like I can't even believe how blatant it was and how that made it into the movie. The radio was fine enough, but actually showing that she went to Huston was way too much. They should've just had her hesitate when she was hearing the message, like internally debating going or not, but then decide to take the turn to go anyways. And maybe show a monster in the lightning flashes? Unless there was one and I didn't see it.
Also, the whole sign thing was hilariously dumb. Like I can't even believe how blatant it was and how that made it into the movie. The radio was fine enough, but actually showing that she went to Huston was way too much. They should've just had her hesitate when she was hearing the message, like internally debating going or not, but then decide to take the turn to go anyways. And maybe show a monster in the lightning flashes? Unless there was one and I didn't see it.
Ah, right. Though in my defense, I was looking for monsters instead of ships and somehow confused those for clouds.
CloudyTuba
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Holy crap that movie was so creepy. It feels like this movie successfully had its cake and ate it too. In other movies Howard's story would have been false. He was both crazy and right.
I was really shocked when Emmet was killed, it felt like he was set up to be a surviving protagonist. but then once it happened i asked myself if i should really be surprised. The writing in this movie was really good and played with the viewers emotions very well. It was great. Every time you got scared it comforted you, and every time you felt comforted it scared you. it was a rollercoaster of emotion. Scariest movie ive seen in a while.
I know some people have issues with the ending but I liked it a lot. It was like the cherry on top. I'm already excited for the next cloverfield movie.
I was really shocked when Emmet was killed, it felt like he was set up to be a surviving protagonist. but then once it happened i asked myself if i should really be surprised. The writing in this movie was really good and played with the viewers emotions very well. It was great. Every time you got scared it comforted you, and every time you felt comforted it scared you. it was a rollercoaster of emotion. Scariest movie ive seen in a while.
I know some people have issues with the ending but I liked it a lot. It was like the cherry on top. I'm already excited for the next cloverfield movie.
It was. Is this not common knowledge? There was 8 years to see the last shot of the first film analyzed and slowed down to show the descent of the monster.
Also, this film was great. Exactly what I expected from the only trailer I watched. Bunker thriller with a tie in connection and expansion of the world's status.
No it didn't, it came from the bottom of the Atlantic. What fell at the end of the original was a satellite that woke the creature up.
Oh? Last I looked into it was in 2008 or so. Is there a collection of info in this? Seems more convoluted to have it that way, but connects satellites to Howard.
CloudyTuba
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While that is the truth of the matter as depicted in the original ARG, I find that way less interesting so for my own personal enjoyment I choose to "believe" that it came down from space in that shot at the end.
And further for my own personal enjoyment and not based on any sort of truth whatsoever, I like to pretend that the monster was just another tactic being deployed by the invaders around the same time as this movie.
UltimaPooh
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Pretty sure the theory is that the monster wasn't from space. It was created by the candy company or whatever from their dumping of stuff. I think the thing that falls was the satellite or whatever that causes it to go off. Anyway we don't really know where CLOVER came from.
Also I don't think either movie is connected in any meaningful way.
Walter White
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I expected some kind of shenanigans like that at some point after she got out, but it still didn't work for me.
Hahahaha that's so bad if that's the way they initially pushed it. Much better retconned as dropped from space as a tactic. Like, really, woken by a fallen satellite but not by NY commerce?
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