Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
13 ways?!
Devs just need to change the settings slider.
Devs just need to change the settings slider.
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13 Ways To End Lousy PC Ports in 2023-DF video
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Hugare
Member
Imagine a movie critic making a video saying "you indie moviemakers, you see how Marvel CGI looks? Do that, how hard it can be?"
"Hell most of the things Alex suggested are not even that hard to implement. I think the hardest thing is fixing shader stutter. Implementing menus, HDR (when consoles have it) and things like FoV/Widescreen are generally easy to enable."
Do you have an idea about how those game engine works and the coding that's necessary to implement these stuff or are you just guessing?
Zathalus
Member
Movies are not games. Good CGI costs a ton of money to make while implementing a good menu system and the other things I mentioned are easy to implement, especially when using a engine like Unreal.
I'm also not just guessing, as a staggering amount of PC games that don't have these options are implemented by basic mods, especially things such as Widescreen and FoV fixes.
Skifi28
Member
I don't think sharing an opinion on a forum is the same as using a platform such as DF to be an armchair developer and tell everyone how to do their jobs correctly. It comes off as really arrogant and pretentious. I think Alex should stick to just pointing out the issues.
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Team Andromeda
Member
DF are so up themselves these days that its laughable. Maybe Alex should make his own engine and show 'developers' how its done
3liteDragon
Member
Devs after this video:
nemiroff
Gold Member
Maybe you should start your own company and start making youtube tech videos to show DF how it's done.
Team Andromeda
Member
I'm console gamer, so spare us on that one ...
nemiroff
Gold Member
Don't blame me, it was your "logic" applied.
Team Andromeda
Member
Just get a console and the problem is solved. Speaking of which it's funny how DF is taking the PC to task now that SONY embraced the Platform.
What happened to the days of I don't need an Xbox I can play it on the PC and be a part of the master race
nemiroff
Gold Member
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about and it seems like it's going to take a headache to try to figure it out. Let's just stop replying to each other.
skit_data
Member
I’m sure that all of these problems are not an easy fix and that there’s a good amount of armchair developer energy in this video but as I see it it can become a good video to point to for developers when arguing with execs etc. that try to just shove their game out the door when developers are begging to get just a little more time to get things right.
s-bojan
Banned
You really think that everyone is afraid to say anything
?Video is fine, resetera used it as a starting point for a discussion, like it should be done.
DF and Alex get a lot of hate here, not even sure why.
Lysandros
Member
You know, questionable relevancy of the '13 pillars' aside, there are a few people sensitive to condescending self-important attitude in this planet. Luckily Dictator worship isn't mandatory in this forum contrary the likes of Resetera and Beyond3d so even divas can be criticized.
Team Andromeda
Member
I was being sarcastic
I would imagine developers don't need DF to tell them there are issues (Twitter will do that) or how to fix their engines.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Solve some problems, gets several different ones that have no fixing.
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BaneIsPain
Member
Or don’t bring PC ports at all. Not a bad choice.
Hugare
Member
Again, are they that easy? As I mentioned before, Fortnite has shader compilation stutters and its a GAAS game (so constantly updated and revised) made by Epic itself
We do have a staggering amount of PC games with simple mods, while we also have a staggering number of games without mods due to locked up/difficult to work with engines
I've seen many model mods for UE 4 games, but how many mods out there adding functions such as widescreen support?
But developers have usually some great programmers working for them, with knowledge about the game's engine, so why stuff arent implemented properly? Let's watch the video and try to see a pattern:
Example of good PC ports, by Alex: Uncharted 4, Spider-man, Days Gone, God of War, Star Citizen
Bad ports: Kena, Callisto Protocol, Gotham Knights
Can you see what the problem is? Looking at the good ports, with the exception of Star Citizen, a game that's eternaly in early access, those are games that were already released years before and now were ported for one platform.
Now Kena, Callisto and Gotham Knight PC versions were released to 3 other platforms, 8 platforms and 8 platforms respectively simultaneously on release date, being worked on by programmers while they were also making the game, fixing bugs and etc.
We should expect better products? Sure. But are devs gonna do something about it after watching this video? Of course not. The hole goes so much deeper than just "lazy devs".
Over and over again he says during the video that its a "simple sollution". No, it really is not if you take in consideration context.
You really think that everyone is afraid to say anything
Video is fine, resetera used it as a starting point for a discussion, like it should be done.
DF and Alex get a lot of hate here, not even sure why.
I have no hate boner against Alex.
I think he is a great dude and I love his analysis. I love DF in general.
But they arent immune to criticism, and this video was kinda stupid, imo
s-bojan
Banned
My man, did Alex spit in your soup or something?
He made the video as he is really disappointed by the quality of recent pc ports. And he is not the only one, I've almost stopped buying pc games day 1.
He kept complaining about things like these multiple times in DF directs...so much that Richard told him to make the video about it.
If I like his videos (and I do), it does not mean that I am worshiping him. It just means that I am glad that someone is trying to bring visibility to the issues that are affecting us who primarily play on a pc.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
No one on Resetera’s ridiculing the video, because Alex isn’t fucking wrong. But in here you’ve got console warriors playing their part in attacking Alex for pointing out the most obvious shit that developers should be doing with PC ports.
In this day and age where developers are shoving half finished, piss poor AAA ports out the door, console GAF is suddenly “leave developers alone” now?? They know what they’re doing! It’s budget constraints!
Give me a break. If it was one or two games that’s fine, but when these half assed AAA developers are pushing out games with blatant problems that should’ve been fixed - there’s a problem. Especially when they’re expecting $70 for this shit.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Only made it a few minutes before I couldn't take it anymore.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
Game devs watching this video:
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
How many games has Alex made again?
Doctor Hades
Member
I feel people are being a bit unfair to Digital Foundry as all the points mentioned in the video are things that should be a part of the overall design of the game and not things that they simply ran out of time implementing at the end of development!!! The final stages of game development should be focusing on fixing bugs and optimising the performance.
Japanese developers are perhaps the worst offenders as most of their PC games are just barebones ports of the console games with a few tweaks for PC games. Typically, games from Koei Tecmo, Namco Bandai, Square-Enix and even SEGA tend to be bereft of graphical options and require user mods to get them to run properly on PC with correct framepacing and so on. Add to this the now-infamous #StutterStruggle issue, mostly associated with Unreal Engine 4 games due to the engine's popularity with developers, and the result is a lot of lacklustre PC releases in the last 18-24 months. And we cannot even blame COVID for these issues now.
2022 was perhaps the worst year for major PC releases. Gotham Knights, Sack: A Big Adventure and The Callisto Protocol ended the year with a whimper instead of a bang, thanks to shader compilation issues and poor CPU optimisation, especially in the latter (which is still not fixed). I bought a lot of games last year on console and PC so I experienced a lot of these. Console releases were generally fine but the PC was plagued with shader compilation stutter issues. I just lost count of how many games I played with the issue. It was the reason for my decision to delay my PC upgrade and at one point I was not even going to bother with it all because I was annoyed by the issue.
Japanese developers are perhaps the worst offenders as most of their PC games are just barebones ports of the console games with a few tweaks for PC games. Typically, games from Koei Tecmo, Namco Bandai, Square-Enix and even SEGA tend to be bereft of graphical options and require user mods to get them to run properly on PC with correct framepacing and so on. Add to this the now-infamous #StutterStruggle issue, mostly associated with Unreal Engine 4 games due to the engine's popularity with developers, and the result is a lot of lacklustre PC releases in the last 18-24 months. And we cannot even blame COVID for these issues now.
2022 was perhaps the worst year for major PC releases. Gotham Knights, Sack: A Big Adventure and The Callisto Protocol ended the year with a whimper instead of a bang, thanks to shader compilation issues and poor CPU optimisation, especially in the latter (which is still not fixed). I bought a lot of games last year on console and PC so I experienced a lot of these. Console releases were generally fine but the PC was plagued with shader compilation stutter issues. I just lost count of how many games I played with the issue. It was the reason for my decision to delay my PC upgrade and at one point I was not even going to bother with it all because I was annoyed by the issue.
clampzyn
Member
Devs could definitely fixed stutter issues just like what uncharted did but they chose not to, its not because their lazy, its because that's their decision.
Doctor Hades
Member
It might not be the developers though, it may be down to publisher decisions as they will be more concerned with keeping the game under budget and less concerned with making a quality PC version. I've already mentioned a number of Japanese publishers and I think if you look at the pattern of poor PC releases then you will see that it is certain publishers rather than developers who are to blame. Not always but I believe most of the blame falls on the publishers rather than the developers.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Their decision is laziness, until the review bombs hit and they’ve gotta act to protect the game’s sales.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
he did not mention DENUVO , it affects performance too
mansoor1980
Gold Member
you should choose 1/3 refresh rate v-sync , and your display screen should be at 120hz
Spyxos
Gold Member
And for 60hz Screen?
mansoor1980
Gold Member
you will only get smooth 40 fps on a 60 hz screen if you have g-sync or free-sync monitor .
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Cap with RTSS or on video driver settings.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
I don’t agree with what you just said.
Skifi28
Member
I don't agree with you not agreeing with what I said, but I'm a big boy so I'm going to igno...I mean respect your different opinion.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
I think we’ll be okay.
Skifi28
Member
I always thought it was the opposite. Two games come to consoles without a 60fps mode and suddenly there's this whole narrative that's it's back to 30fps for the foreseeable future, consoles are too weak for 60 etc. Even though we completely like to ignore that the exact same games were also borked on high-end machines.
Kenpachii
Member
Stop using unreal engine then simple as that, if it doesn't work for shit.
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yamaci17
Member
Just enable VRR, make sure you're in a 144 hz container and cap the game to 40 via NVCP or Rivatuner (rivatuner can be finnicky at times, I trust NVCP limiter more, as it is a GPU bound limiter that will be safer option in most cases).
No need to enable any kind of fractional vsync and incur huge amounts of input lag. just enable regular Vsync for the odd frames here and there (it will not be activated most of the time anyways). Do not use multiples vsync, it will incur huge input lag as it does on consoles. fractical vsync is unnecessary with a VRR screen, VRR can adapt and sync 40 FPS into 80-120 HZ with LFC already.
Sure call them out but do you think it matters? for example do people dock points from Elden Ring because it performed poorly with stutters on PC?
Recommend approaches all they like but they're just pissing into the wind. it's not the case that they know more than developers who are probably better aware but know the small things DF might complain about in hindsight ultimately doesn't matter.
darrylgorn
Member
Alex being the most correct person in the world, as usual.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Some will do everything to defend pc. Master Race can do no wrong because it was a lot of money so it's stupid to admit you wasted it because ps5 port is better (at least in first week obviously)
Nemesisuuu
Member
Or 1 way? Buy a damn console?
JeloSWE
Member
The amount of shitty pc ports apologists in this thread is baffling.
Most of what Alex said in the video is more than justified. The video might appear to be angled directly to developers but in reality it's about raising awareness by educating the masses about these issues. This in turn will make more people not accept shitty PC ports and thus put pressure on developers to do better.
Most of what Alex said in the video is more than justified. The video might appear to be angled directly to developers but in reality it's about raising awareness by educating the masses about these issues. This in turn will make more people not accept shitty PC ports and thus put pressure on developers to do better.
darrylgorn
Member
Just angry trolls.
Putting aside the ports, his suggestions about how to change graphics options should be in all PC games.