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[mckmas8808]

:lol

I meant Rainbow 6 and NBA 2K7. My bad. >_<

 

[fortified_concept]

...No, just saying that the PS3's first big games at least for the first five months or so are going to be dominated by 360 ports or multiplatform games, which works directly against "differentiating" it from anything.

Shovelware and multiplatform games always dominated every platform. It's the exclusives that differentiate and PS3 has plenty of them even the first few months. Not that is matters because TheProfessor was talking about PS3 in general (and not just the first few months something that you personally added to the argument out of nowhere) which means every exclusive is counted.

 

[Kolgar]

Not true. If the PS3 was exactly as you said then the 360 would be a viable substitute. Sony would lose market share because it's competitor offers the exact same experience. Sony would have a tougher time fighting them off. You can moan and bitch all you want but PS3 offers a different experience than the 360 now and Sony is banking on that. You simply don't understand that the key to a successful product is differentiation especially when you are the market leader and expected to drive the industry forward not stand behind it waiting for someone to create a superior product.

BTW before any of you answer "why does sony copy then", well is the same explanation. Sony strategy is to make the PS3 is a superset of the 360 therefore potential 360 customers now have a viable substitute.

Sony would still have the almighty CELL, yes? And this hypothetical PS3 would still have the same (or better) third-party support and exclusive games from first-party studios?

I see what you're saying and I agree that product differentiation is important. But pricing is important too. I think Sony's taken a much bigger risk by choosing BR over DVD, that they've simply built too much machine for this point in time - though I can almost understand it given the potential rewards are so great.

 

[mckmas8808]

I see what you're saying and I agree that product differentiation is important. But pricing is important too. I think Sony's taken a much bigger risk by choosing BR over DVD, that they've simply built too much machine for this point in time - though I can almost understand it given the potential rewards are so great.

It's good to see that you understand the possible rewards. Shouldn't we be happy that a company is doing its own thing? I mean to me it would be boring for a company to get say, "ah **** it will win if will put 80% into it instead of throwing 100% at it".


Wouldn't the Wii sell more if it had graphics as good or close to the 360 and PS3 for $350 with their creative controller? I'm glad that all three companies have something to fall back on and say it's their own.

A lot different than last gen. Last gen everybody was damn near the same, it was the franchises that were the difference. Not this time. And that's a good thing.

 

[radjago]

N64 =33 million
SNES= 49 million
NES = 60 million

Considering N64 sold half as many units the most popular Nintendo console, that means the PS3 will sell just 30-50 mil under the PS2, which still isn't bad.

100 million consoles at the end of it's lifecycle confimed?

Fixed.

 

[Azelover]

Interesting podcast, although I think they overlooked one of their best arguments, that both the N64 and PS3 were the ultimate escalations of Nintendo and Sony's hardware design philosophies.

Beyond just cartridges and Blu ray both those companies dug much deeper into their existing business models and strategies, what happened with the N64 is the market changed because of the CD, and that completely shifted the paradigm of what consumers expected and therefore required a change from Nintendo aswell. But even with the NES there was a set limit of excelent titles that would come out every year and be sold at a steep price with no complaints, wereas with the N64 we had a whole new paradigm for game consoles which was set by the CD. Had the market stayed the same the N64 would have maintained its dominance, as it was the perfect continuation of the standard business model.

What we are not seeing today is an obvious market shift that goes against what Sony is doing, and not just technology-wise but trend-wise. That's the main difference between the N64 and PS3, if the market doesn't change then Sony will continue to dominate, regardless of any of the PS3 "flaws". Like the N64 it is the perfect continuation of what was already going on in this industry.

Maybe with the PS4 Sony will take it up another notch (like they've been progressively doing) by making it so much like a computer that it will be the ultimate shot to their own foot, but right now they aren't really doing that. Or maybe they are betting too much on a change that won't happen, and that's the only thing I can think of which is HD. Which is completely unpredictable at this point.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Maybe with the PS4 Sony will take it up another notch (like they've been progressively doing) by making it so much like a computer that it will be the ultimate shot to their own foor, but right now they aren't really doing that. Or maybe they are betting too much on a change that won't happen, and that's the only thing I can think of which is HD.

If they try to push that no disc drive as they've hitned at next gen that could be their undoing. That's not going to fly anytime soon even though its a nice thought.

 

[Azelover]

If they try to push that no disc drive as they've hitned at next gen that could be their undoing. That's not going to fly anytime soon even though its a nice thought.

Yeah, right now we still need discs, and the business model will remain virtually the same. With the PS4 if they drop disc support it may be a huge **** up, but right now they'll just go half way if anything.

 

[typhonsentra]

How is Blu-Ray like the N64 cartridge slot?

1.) Blu-Ray discs don't affect the cost of production for the game on the developer side.

2.) If in 1995 Sony went with a cartridge dock instead of a CD drive, wouldn't the system of been considerably cheaper? I mean, the N64 did retail at it's launch 1 year later at a price 50% lower and with much higher specs, right?

 

[mckmas8808]

If they try to push that no disc drive as they've hitned at next gen that could be their undoing. That's not going to fly anytime soon even though its a nice thought.

**** that. It's NOT a nice thought. It's horrible! No broadband connection no game. Hell no.

 

[typhonsentra]

God, I finally got around to listending to this thing. I cringe everytime they get to a comparison betweent he PS2 and PS3 and they start to panic and backtrack. ****ing insane....

And what's the deal with calling Blu-Ray proprietary? How is it anymore "Proprietary" (I don't think they know what the word means) than CD? Ironically, the only company pushing a proprieary format for the coming generation is Nintendo with the Wii.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

Considering 1up keeps bashing PS3 even though it's doing great since TGS

How do you measure that, exactly?

 

[typhonsentra]

How do you measure that, exactly?

Instantly selling out of preorders within minutes of a store opening?