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1UpYours podcast (9/08/2006)
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meltpotato
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Hitler Stole My Potato said:
actually i have a little thing i call Team Meltdown and mckmas, monkeymagic, and wollan are all members. they seriously make my boring work day filled with comedy.
oh and Wollan, i don't think you understand how FPS games are balanced. or at least it doesnt seem like it when you say things like "TF2 same old rule but Resistence 40 player online!" but hey, i heard the weather in fantasy land is really nice this time of the year.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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Zen said:
I'm not one to defend Shane, but they (Garnett, Luke, and John) brought the battle to Shane--you can't really defend a shortcoming in production.
meltpotato
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typo said:
actually, shane blogged a defense of Sony right after the news broke. this was more or less an extension of that. and i mean when he positions himself, in a very literal sense, as the defender of Sony that is exactly how its going to play out.
meltpotato
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Jax said:
"PAL sucks"
I arrived at no conclusions, Ben, I simply pointed out that previous consoles with similar initial shipment numbers were capable of fostering an environment that allowed launch software to achieved healthy sales. Most previous console launches have not tried to handle multiple regions simultaneously but even when consoles typically launched in one region at a time, early adopters in other regions would be getting in on the fun if they can. So it doesn't really matter if the initial shipment is earmarked for multiple regions or just one because any region left out will still try to poach from the other.BenjaminBirdie said:
Your attempt to drive the "eBayonomics" to an extreme with the PS3 isn't any more backed by hard data other than you telling us to take you at your word that this and this and this variable must surely lead to a market dominated by resale. But, even as frenzied as the 360 ebay resales were last year, there's still a long way to go to actually dominate total sales this way. I believe Ebay's CEO reported that there were 40000 auctions for the 360 when all was said and done, which would account for only about 10% of the initial shipment.
A major flaw in your logic is the attempt to associate greater loyalty to the Playstation brand with higher frequency of resale. But if brand loyalty is high, that doesn't drive resale, that drives final sale. If everyone is buying a PS3 just to make a quick buck, where's the actual brand loyalty that resellers depend on to drive prices higher? Resale is held in check by the very demand that drives it.
Mike Works
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Every time I listen to 1upyours (it's the only podcast i listen to), I always get the urge to want to be on the panel.
I think it's whenever Shane says stuff.
Also I love this thread because it has multiple people listing SolidSnakeX as one of GAF's biggest Sony whores. I felt like I was trapped in Invasion of the ****ing Bodysnatchers and everyone else was just gearing up to point their finger at me and scream whenever I implied the notion, because no one ever ****ing agreed with me.
Plus I had no idea who this Wollan guy was until this thread.
Thank you 1Up for making me learn stuff about GAF!
I think it's whenever Shane says stuff.
Also I love this thread because it has multiple people listing SolidSnakeX as one of GAF's biggest Sony whores. I felt like I was trapped in Invasion of the ****ing Bodysnatchers and everyone else was just gearing up to point their finger at me and scream whenever I implied the notion, because no one ever ****ing agreed with me.
Plus I had no idea who this Wollan guy was until this thread.
Thank you 1Up for making me learn stuff about GAF!
Tieno
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Great show, I loved the toilet talk, funny!
You guys kept Shane in control, he was tollerable, I expected much worse. Keep him on a tight leash or give Mark McDonald more time. Sometimes he(Shane) really gets my inner xbot out and makes me want to dislike Sony but then I think about ICO, Shadow of The Colossus and God of War and turn all gooey. So it's all good! Tech guy was very informative, use him!
Great stuff! Please, when talking to the Resistance guy, don't talk just about the game but ask him about other games and gaming in general. Always interesting. Looking forward to it!
You guys kept Shane in control, he was tollerable, I expected much worse. Keep him on a tight leash or give Mark McDonald more time. Sometimes he(Shane) really gets my inner xbot out and makes me want to dislike Sony but then I think about ICO, Shadow of The Colossus and God of War and turn all gooey. So it's all good! Tech guy was very informative, use him!
Great stuff! Please, when talking to the Resistance guy, don't talk just about the game but ask him about other games and gaming in general. Always interesting. Looking forward to it!
soul creator
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one thing that I think should've been mentioned is that the PS3 shortage won't be the same as the PS2 for one main reason...the system had already sold like a million systems in Japan 8 months earlier, lol.
It's also something I used to try to mention when people would compare 360 launch software and PS2/DC launch software...360 launch software was truly "launch", as it's the first time the system was available anywhere. the PS2/DC launches in the US had the benefit of the fact that final hardware was probably already available for a year, since they had earlier Japanese launches. People would probably agree that the 360 launch beats the PS2/DC Japanese launches, lol
It's also something I used to try to mention when people would compare 360 launch software and PS2/DC launch software...360 launch software was truly "launch", as it's the first time the system was available anywhere. the PS2/DC launches in the US had the benefit of the fact that final hardware was probably already available for a year, since they had earlier Japanese launches. People would probably agree that the 360 launch beats the PS2/DC Japanese launches, lol
BenjaminBirdie
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gofreak said:
If it came out at a 500,000 system worldwide launch and was of Resistance's level of quality, yes.
And your attempt at refuting my discussion isn't backed by any hard data either. Unless you were the one who left these tire tracks on my driveway:
You have your opinion, I have mine. We'll all just have to wait and see what happens on 11/17. I don't think, in this instance, anyone can predict what the market and reseller market is going to do to game sales and game usage in those early months. I like my take on it because this guy does:
"BIG TIME."
YMMV.
decent show.
shane's sony defence was interesting. he must've used some kind of jedi mind trick or something because the others seemed to be far more gentle than previous podcasts concerning ps3 criticism. maybe because it was a bit of a beaten horse with the forums exhausting the subject.
i can only see resistance selling well because it has a chance of being the best launch title but from what i've seen and read about it, it doesn't look like it will be ps3's halo. so far it looks too generic and doesn't offer enough new imo, and as a launch title halo was far more impressive.
it was also interesting comparing resistance to gears of war. imo gears looks better and will sell more. it also has the benefit of coming from epic, a major fps action developer with a really impressive pedigree with the unreal games. not saying insomniac isn't a good developer rather imo there is more caché in epic releasing gears than the developer of the rachet series coming up with a fps.
going to be an interesting year end in videogames.
(...and pal is better than ntsc :lol)
shane's sony defence was interesting. he must've used some kind of jedi mind trick or something because the others seemed to be far more gentle than previous podcasts concerning ps3 criticism. maybe because it was a bit of a beaten horse with the forums exhausting the subject.
i can only see resistance selling well because it has a chance of being the best launch title but from what i've seen and read about it, it doesn't look like it will be ps3's halo. so far it looks too generic and doesn't offer enough new imo, and as a launch title halo was far more impressive.
it was also interesting comparing resistance to gears of war. imo gears looks better and will sell more. it also has the benefit of coming from epic, a major fps action developer with a really impressive pedigree with the unreal games. not saying insomniac isn't a good developer rather imo there is more caché in epic releasing gears than the developer of the rachet series coming up with a fps.
going to be an interesting year end in videogames.
(...and pal is better than ntsc :lol)
BenjaminBirdie said:
Quality is TBD. But I don't know, that seemed to be the missing piece of the puzzle in some of the arguments I'd been seeing. The suggestion seemed to be that irrespective of its quality, the game would get lost due to the other factors mentioned (launch quantities or relative library competitiveness). "Poor resistance" etc. a victim of circumstance.
If the game is all that and a bag of chips, I don't think the initial quantities matter a whole lot. If a game is going to be a huge hit, people will buy beyond launch. Heck, it happened with Halo most particularly. But we're back to being dependent on game quality more than the initial launch.
Let's put it this way - if a game of similar calibre to Halo (think directly of Halo if you wish), came out at launch, and had maybe 30 or 40% fewer purchases in its first two months, would that have knocked it backed significantly in the long run?
ziran said:
They already did back in the PSX era - Disruptor. In fact, it was the first game they ever made and was pretty critically acclaimed. They had the idea for Resistance for quite some time, as they wanted to go back to their FPS roots, so it's not as if they're magically attempting something different.
They are a extremely quality developer, and the constant "generic" comments seem to serve as an easy way to dismiss the game without really critically thinking about it. The feedback enemies give when you shoot them is a bigger issue.
GitarooMan
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Speaking of this NBA 1080p thing, the way I understood it was that Sony is releasing a first party NBA 07 for PS3 at launch, which I hadn't heard about before. Interesting.
On the PS3, what I'm interested in is what's going to be at launch outside of 360 ports and Resistance. Are Warhawk and Motorstorm still going to make it? Because as much as Resistance looks cool and all, I'm hoping that there is some other stuff that won't be on 360 too that'll make it worth it to get this holiday (Ridge Racer 7 is one other I just thought of) I wonder if like they were talking about, more third parties will bail out of launch in the coming weeks.
On the PS3, what I'm interested in is what's going to be at launch outside of 360 ports and Resistance. Are Warhawk and Motorstorm still going to make it? Because as much as Resistance looks cool and all, I'm hoping that there is some other stuff that won't be on 360 too that'll make it worth it to get this holiday (Ridge Racer 7 is one other I just thought of) I wonder if like they were talking about, more third parties will bail out of launch in the coming weeks.
ziran said:
Maybe they actually liked Resistance and therefore couldn't slander PS3 this time? They actually said that the footage they played were a lot cooler then what Sony allowed them to show.
But they also said that the machine isn't worth $599 for one game. Good thing that PS3 has 300+ games in development.
Yep, I hinted to this on another forum. I've known about this game for a while (not trying to brag or anything).GitarooMan said:
They are trying to make it 1080p, but I suppose we will find out when it officially gets announced.
I havent seen the game yet, but I wouldnt bet on it looking as good as NBA 2k7 or Nba Live, but who knows we could be surprised.
i don't think i was clear.Amir0x said:
i know insomniac developed distruptor, i even remember playing the game, it was okay. also 1up yours has talked about it several times.
as i said, i'm not saying insomniac isn't a good developer or that they are incapable of making a good fps. i'm saying, imo, insomniac delivering an fps like resistance, going on the fact their most recent and popular games are spyro and rachet, doesn't have the same weight as epic releasing gears, seeing as they are most known for the unreal series.
ultimately resistance may turn out great, but so far, from the previews i've read and footage i've seen it's okay. it's nothing that blows me away or makes me think this will do for ps3 what halo did for xbox, as shane suggests on the show.
there are many more games already announced for ps3, like mgs4 and ffxiii, that look like they have way more potential for being killer apps than resistance. in fact the way shane talked about the game it sounded more like something he thinks must happen; it sounded a little desperate imo.
Rice-Eater
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Hold up, is the 1080p NBA game really Sony's game? So it's going to be NBA The Life 2007? I didn't think they were going to try and release one this year. Well Sony's NBA title has always been behind the 2K and Live series in graphics anyways(right?), so might as well bump it to 1080p.
You know. I was just thinking, is it smart for Sony to rely on Resistence, an FPS, to really establish themselves in the new generation?
It's obvious that this game is a direct attack on the Xbox fanbase who are have shown to have a great affinity towards FPS titles. So if you're an Xbox FPS fan, is Resistence really goign to be enough to sway you away from the 360, the current FPS games that have already been released, the ones that you know will be released including Halo 3?
Unless Resistence really is the greatest thing since sliced bread, I don't see that happening. So that really puts a lot of pressure on the Insomniac guys to deliver a game that will be remembered for a long time. Anything less and FPS fans will just stick with the Xbox, and at that point what other games are going to be at the launch to entice non-FPS fans? MotorStrom, Heavenly Sword, these titles are delayed. Genji is very well positioned for itself as it appeals to the core Playstation audience, so I think that game is going to do extremely well.
It's obvious that this game is a direct attack on the Xbox fanbase who are have shown to have a great affinity towards FPS titles. So if you're an Xbox FPS fan, is Resistence really goign to be enough to sway you away from the 360, the current FPS games that have already been released, the ones that you know will be released including Halo 3?
Unless Resistence really is the greatest thing since sliced bread, I don't see that happening. So that really puts a lot of pressure on the Insomniac guys to deliver a game that will be remembered for a long time. Anything less and FPS fans will just stick with the Xbox, and at that point what other games are going to be at the launch to entice non-FPS fans? MotorStrom, Heavenly Sword, these titles are delayed. Genji is very well positioned for itself as it appeals to the core Playstation audience, so I think that game is going to do extremely well.
Rice-Eater
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rastex said:
I think you're looking at it too much from Shane's point of view. It probably has a lot more to do with Sony thinking that this will be there best title at launch, so of course it's going to get all the advertisment and push. FPS are also very popular on the PS2, problem was that the PS2 never had a hughly popular exclusive FPS. So more reason to push Resistance if they believe it to be that game(which Killzone failed to be).
Insomniac is a proven team, and I believe they will deliver the critical acclaim. It's the sales that I'm not to sure about. Call of Duty 3 and Rainbow Six: Vegas are releasing side by side with them. That's some really brutal competition. I would love to see Resistance come out on top though if it's as good as I think it is.
rastex said:
Since the Euro launch was delayed, I would like Evo to reconfirm that this is coming in November (in the US/Japan), but officially they've not publically made a change to that date yet AFAIK.
(Oh, and HS was never delayed really..they only first mentioned a date at E3, and that was 07).
Rice-Eater
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Luckyman said:
They said the game was "uannounced until yesterday". And when the said the name it was "NBA 2007", and it sounded like they meant it was from them. So I'm assuming it is a 1st party basketball title.
GitarooMan
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I hadn't noticed till today but EB does have a listing for NBA 07 from Sony for PS3, I'm pretty sure that's what they were talking about as I said above.Luckyman said:
http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=270006
Beer Monkey
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One thing that's going on with 1080i these days is that satellite is increasingly using a newer non-ATSC spec of 1280x1080i, substantially reducing horizontal resolution. Such a reduction for 1080p would only require a 50% increase in fillrate over 720p instead of the 125% increase that 1920x1080p brings. As occasional '1080p' games start to show up, will they use a full 1920x1080p frame buffer? Or will we see some scaling to achieve the effect (see PGR3, Gran Turismo 4).
antoniogaud
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Scoot said:
What game could possibly be $600 positive? Halo3 or GTA4 maybe...
cheekymunky
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Vark said:
Man, Halo has nothing to do with circle jerks
PepsimanVsJoe
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Luckyman said:
I thought you guys hated the game and didn't want it on your system?
Bluemercury
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Hearing this podcast seems that there's only one new machine coming in the next months......still it was funny hearing shane's comments....:lol
Bluemercury
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SantaC said:
Hardly, having to hear luke talking about ms for more than half of this podcast was annoying as hell. At least Shane was fun....
cheekymunky
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lynux3 said:
Do you guys think he was being serious? Holy ****ing jeebus.
BenjaminBirdie
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kaching said:
So it's illogical to assume that 90% of the consoles the first week are going to go to eBay scalpers (or PS3 fans who become eBay scalpers when they find out on the morning of the 18th how much they're going for)? I mean, I can criticize your logic in assuming that the people willing to spend $2500 on a console are going to be playing the shit out of Resistance as opposed to just putting it next to all the other things their parents bought them and never use and then go back to smoking crystal meth and boning their best friend's divorced mom. Both involve leaps of logic. Mine are more fun. Like that whole thing about crystal meth and The Real Housewives Of Orange County I just dropped there.
GitarooMan
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I think that's illogical to assume yes, certainly there will be a bunch on ebay but no ****ing way it's 90%.BenjaminBirdie said:
BenjaminBirdie
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GitarooMan said:
87%?