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2.5 Million Kinects. Kinects everywhere. Actually Sold To Consumers.

Arnie said:
GAF as a consensus is rarely right, proven once again.
DS will bomb!
360 will bomb!
Wii will bomb!
PSP will break all the records!
Superman Returns will be a better movie than Batman Begins!
Gears of War will be the next Brute Force!
Gomez is superior to Justice!
 
RedStep said:
One of my favorites:



I hope he meant.... a promotion!

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Claim chowder oh that's rich. lulz
 
teh_pwn said:
A game that has an entertaining combination of production values, gameplay, story, music, and has a gamerankings score greater than 85%. Examples: Uncharted 2, Red Dead Redemption, Assassin's Creed 2, Mario Galaxy 2, Fallout 3, Half Life 2, Bioshock, Call of Duty, Batman Arkham Asylum.
Dudebro games are not real games.


Lebron said:
Superman Returns will be a better movie than Batman Begins!
And it was. That's probably the reason I don't talk about movies on the internet. :lol
 
Big marketing + an actual innovative* and fun product = sales. Longevity is another question, but word of mouth has been amazing. My family came around on the weekend which has resulted in +2 sales to MS.

Lebron said:
Gomez is superior to Justice!

Oh no you ditn't!





*innovative as in combining technologies to create a type of experience not previously available on a consumer product

or....

in before eye toy comparisons begin.
 
teh_pwn said:
Dance Central looks like a decent game if that's your thing. The other two look like pure shovelware. They don't fit my definition of real or rather good games. Don't let a difference in opinion ruin your day

Look like? So i take it you have spent time with them both to say that they are ' pure shovelware.'
 
OldJadedGamer said:
It's been doom and gloom for the Kinect from the second it was announced.

it's the Wii all over again, except the people didn't laugh as hard with "Kinect" as a name as they did for the Wii.

better explained:

Lebron said:
DS will bomb!
360 will bomb!
Wii will bomb!
PSP will break all the records!
Superman Returns will be a better movie than Batman Begins!
Gears of War will be the next Brute Force!
Gomez is superior to Justice!

and the last one is the worst offender.
 
I wonder how many are new people? This might be the hardcore fanbase buying for the family. Move is not looking like such a smart move right now.
 
K' Dash said:
it's the Wii all over again, except the people didn't laugh as hard with "Kinect" as a name as they did for the Wii.

better explained:



and the last one is the worst offender.

of all time, all time.
 
all one had to do was actually play Dance Central. Kinect is the mofreakin' truth. Dancemasters was fun and Kinectimals stomps all over Eyepet. not surprised at the sales and good job MS.
 
durrrrrrrrrr said:
all one had to do was actually play Dance Central. Kinect is the mofreakin' truth. Dancemasters was fun and Kinectimals stomps all over Eyepet. not surprised at the sales and good job MS.
That's what I was trying to convey in teh E3 threads - You can make all sorts of logical arguments about why Kinect isn't for you. But once you try it out, game over, you're sold.

And Microsoft just executed this launch really really well, so they deserve this. Hopefully, we get some strong software sales numbers as well.
 
Lebron said:
DS will bomb!
360 will bomb!
Wii will bomb!
PSP will break all the records!
Superman Returns will be a better movie than Batman Begins!
Gears of War will be the next Brute Force!
Gomez is superior to Justice!
Accurate list from start to golden finish :lol
 
Congratulations to Xbox I suppose.

Arnie said:
I told you guys, this thing was never going to bomb.

GAF as a consensus is rarely right, proven once again.
Kinect was never going to bomb because there's already a huge install-base. Enough time has been made where most people interested in gaming have made their platform choices, enough fans of 360's core games, and fans of motion gaming want to try it on other platforms. I couldn't say if that it was a guaranteed success but it would sell well regardless.

Certain factors changing (like the price/model of the 360 itself) only helped this happen.

Hopefully, like the Wii, some truly compelling software will use Kinect well.
 
Poimandres said:
I think it's a pretty safe to say that Kinect is selling to consumers faster than Move. The fact that Sony released shipped not sold numbers is telling.

I'd like to be wrong though. Hopefully Sony comes out with some updated figures soon that shed some light on Moves progress.

I'd like them to be neck and neck, so the motion war battle rages on for years to come!

Sony always talks about shipment figures when they release sales data. The fact that they mention this, all the time dating back to the PS1 era, is not telling in the slightest.

I don't understand how everyone is chiming in on the 'Kinect is a success, Move is a failure' bandwagon when all we know is that Kinect has sold to consumers 2.5 million units to date after a month (busiest time for shopping at this time of year) and Move has shipped 2.5 million after its first month, with no other data provided by Sony thereafter.

As far as I'm concerned, both devices are selling well, hardware wise. This was to be expected with a $500 million advertising campaign from Microsoft, but Move's sales are a bit surprising given the lack of advertising from Sony. Similarly, both devices are failing to sell on a software level.
 
We all knew it was going to sell well initially. I don't think anyone at GAF denied it. But most of us feel that people will move on once they realize how limiting it is and the lack of good games will kill it. This is a mini-game/party game device, nothing more.
 
Redbeard said:
This was to be expected with a $500 million advertising campaign from Microsoft, but Move's sales are a bit surprising given the lack of advertising from Sony..
My selective TV watching probably skews this, but I've seen more Move adverts than Kinect.
 
cuyahoga said:
My selective TV watching probably skews this, but I've seen more Move adverts than Kinect.
Same here, I see that Kevin Butler Tiger Woods ad and the one with the viking helmets at the end ALL THE TIME. I haven't seen a single Kinect TV spot.
 
Redbeard said:
Sony always talks about shipment figures when they release sales data. The fact that they mention this, all the time dating back to the PS1 era, is not telling in the slightest.

I don't understand how everyone is chiming in on the 'Kinect is a success, Move is a failure' bandwagon when all we know is that Kinect has sold to consumers 2.5 million units to date after a month (busiest time for shopping at this time of year) and Move has shipped 2.5 million after its first month, with no other data provided by Sony thereafter.

As far as I'm concerned, both devices are selling well, hardware wise. This was to be expected with a $500 million advertising campaign from Microsoft, but Move's sales are a bit surprising given the lack of advertising from Sony. Similarly, both devices are failing to sell on a software level.

Actually it wasn't until a couple years ago that they started reporting shipped figures, until then they reported manufactured units.
 
Dr. Kitty Muffins said:
We all knew it was going to sell well initially. I don't think anyone at GAF denied it. But most of us feel that people will move on once they realize how limiting it is and the lack of good games will kill it. This is a mini-game/party game device, nothing more.

Many said it was going to flatout bomb or perform poorly.

Then they changed to "it will do fine, nothing more". Then came the 500m campaign, so everyone changed again to "it will sell a lot, but it will fail to keep the pace up in the following months".

We'll see.
 
It's not like they spent 500 million in a day. We can clearly see Microsoft seems pretty confident and Sony not so much. I think even Pachter said that Move underperformed.
 
Letters said:
:@

Kinect Sports is a fantastic game.
And I can only imagine anyone calling Kinectimals shovelware is doing so from a position of complete ignorance. It's polished as hell, it looks gorgeous, has a surprising amount of content and is easily one of the best examples of the genre.

Then again we're talking about a guy who believes that something isn't a "real game" unless it strictly has review scores averaging above 85%.
 
metareferential said:
Many said it was going to flatout bomb or perform poorly.

Then they changed to "it will do fine, nothing more". Then came the 500m campaign, so everyone changed again to "it will sell a lot, but it will fail to keep the pace up in the following months".

We'll see.
We're all part of an entity known as Goalposts Adjusting Force
 
Letters said:
:@

Kinect Sports is a fantastic game.
i think it's going to be kinect's biggest game this winter.

anyone think otherwise?

it will be in the top ten in software sales in November and December even though NPD now combines platforms.

i don't normally make predictions, but i'm pretty confident in that one.
 
plagiarize said:
i think it's going to be kinect's biggest game this winter.

anyone think otherwise?

it will be in the top ten in software sales in November and December even though NPD now combines platforms.

I really hope so, because it is a great game, for a launch title.
 
InaudibleWhispa said:
And I can only imagine anyone calling Kinectimals shovelware is doing so from a position of complete ignorance. It's polished as hell, it looks gorgeous, has a surprising amount of content and is easily one of the best examples of the genre.

Then again we're talking about a guy who believes that something isn't a "real game" unless it strictly has review scores averaging above 85%.
It's not even about scores it's about accessibility. Some gamers, God only knows why, get really bent out of shape at the idea of games that are easy for regular people, who haven't had to earn their 1337 gaming stripes like they have, to pick up and play. Sad.
 
I still don't see it doubling in a month, even with Christmas. I don't feel the same drive among people like I did during the Wii's release, or even the 360's release. Around this point I usually have anecdotal evidence among my gaming and non-gaming friends that is enough to generally predict how a product will do. I don't personally know a single person that owns Kinect.
 
Redbeard said:
Sony always talks about shipment figures when they release sales data. The fact that they mention this, all the time dating back to the PS1 era, is not telling in the slightest.

I don't understand how everyone is chiming in on the 'Kinect is a success, Move is a failure' bandwagon when all we know is that Kinect has sold to consumers 2.5 million units to date after a month (busiest time for shopping at this time of year) and Move has shipped 2.5 million after its first month, with no other data provided by Sony thereafter.

As far as I'm concerned, both devices are selling well, hardware wise. This was to be expected with a $500 million advertising campaign from Microsoft, but Move's sales are a bit surprising given the lack of advertising from Sony. Similarly, both devices are failing to sell on a software level.

No Move software made the NPD top 20 and we know that because it launched in September, what you don't know is if any Kinect game will make it in the NPD top 20 because it only launched in November. That said I will put up $20 that either Dance Central or Kinect Sports will break into the NPD top 20 for November. Any takers?
 
SirPenguin said:
I still don't see it doubling in a month, even with Christmas. I don't feel the same drive among people like I did during the Wii's release, or even the 360's release. Around this point I usually have anecdotal evidence among my gaming and non-gaming friends that is enough to generally predict how a product will do. I don't personally know a single person that owns Kinect.
anecdotal evidence is crap.

i took a number of phone calls tonight from people asking if we had kinect in stock (we didn't). i turned away a couple of people too.

i know people that own it.

HOW CAN THESE TWO THINGS BE THE SAME REALITY!!!???
 
SirPenguin said:
I still don't see it doubling in a month, even with Christmas. I don't feel the same drive among people like I did during the Wii's release, or even the 360's release. Around this point I usually have anecdotal evidence among my gaming and non-gaming friends that is enough to generally predict how a product will do. I don't personally know a single person that owns Kinect.

Anecdotal evidence is irrelevant.
 
Pride said:
No Move software made the NPD top 20 and we know that because it launched in September, what you don't know is if any Kinect game will make it in the NPD top 20 because it only launched in November. That said I will put up $20 that either Dance Central or Kinect Sports will break into the NPD top 20 for November. Any takers?
kinect sports is the one. i wouldn't bet against that cause i think it's going to be top ten.

the tarot cards point to Kinect Sports > Dance Central.
 
InaudibleWhispa said:
And I can only imagine anyone calling Kinectimals shovelware is doing so from a position of complete ignorance. It's polished as hell, it looks gorgeous, has a surprising amount of content and is easily one of the best examples of the genre.

Then again we're talking about a guy who believes that something isn't a "real game" unless it strictly has review scores averaging above 85%.

Kinectimals isn't shovelware, but at the same time it's really not for me

I also couldn't play it because Richard Horwitz voiced that cat-fairy thing and all I could think of was Psychonauts 2
 
Redbeard said:
As far as I'm concerned, both devices are selling well, hardware wise. This was to be expected with a $500 million advertising campaign from Microsoft, but Move's sales are a bit surprising given the lack of advertising from Sony. Similarly, both devices are failing to sell on a software level.

Kinect Sports and Dance Central are still in the top 25 in the UK, 3 weeks out from launch. Kinect Sports is still in the Irish/Denmark/ top 20.

http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=110032
http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/ire/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=210015
http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/dk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=310002

Where are we getting this idea that the software is bombing? Assuming 1 million units sold across all of Europe (a very high estimate), you wouldn't expect the game with the highest attach rate to be at more than 500k spread across every PAL territory. If, by the end of December, MS has hit their 5 million sales goal and there are zero Kinect games charting in any country, you can probably make the case that it's failing to sell software (outside of the bundled Kinect Adventures).
 
Gary Whitta said:
It's not even about scores it's about accessibility. Some gamers, God only knows why, get really bent out of shape at the idea of games that are easy for regular people, who haven't had to earn their 1337 gaming stripes like they have, to pick up and play. Sad.
Oh, hush. That is as tired of an argument as the original one you're trying to counter against.

I love gaming and I'm glad to see more people able to pick it up. But take a look at PC gaming. It is far from dead, but there's no question that's been greatly affected by the general shift to a console market.

Likewise, core games won't stop being made just because people are focusing on casual games, but they will obviously be adversely affected. How could they not be?
 
Gary Whitta said:
It's not even about scores it's about accessibility. Some gamers, God only knows why, get really bent out of shape at the idea of games that are easy for regular people, who haven't had to earn their 1337 gaming stripes like they have, to pick up and play. Sad.
It's sometimes ironic too, because many people see games like this as "casual games" and discard them, "because casuals know nothing about real games". Yet, there are games out there like Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto, which sales are driven mostly by this same "casuals"; but noone talks about those being any less games and many refer to those as "hardcore games".

Is like someone I was talking too about Kinectimals on a similar topic. Basically implying that because you can't shoot at your cubs in Kinectimals, is not a real game.

Redbeard said:
I don't understand how everyone is chiming in on the 'Kinect is a success, Move is a failure' bandwagon when all we know is that Kinect has sold to consumers 2.5 million units to date after a month (busiest time for shopping at this time of year) and Move has shipped 2.5 million after its first month, with no other data provided by Sony thereafter.
The problem with Sony's reported sales/shipments is that there's no accuracy as far as actual userbase and probably won't ever will. They keep talking about shipping Move controllers, but the moment one person buys 3 additional ones for those monthly reunions with friends or family, that means that those are +3 in those sales Sony is going to report. Or the people that bought a Move controller to play RE5 Gold. Or the ones that bought one for when they go to play at their friend's house. Or when buying an extra one for the games that offer the option to use 2 at the same time.

They have no way of properly saying "We've sold 3 million Move controllers so 3 million people will probably buy Move exclusive games".

Unlike with Kinect, were 2.5 million in sales means 2.5 million prospective customers of any game.
 
SirPenguin said:
Oh, hush. That is as tired of an argument as the original one you're trying to counter against.

I love gaming and I'm glad to see more people able to pick it up. But take a look at PC gaming. It is far from dead, but there's no question that's been greatly affected by the general shift to a console market.

Likewise, core games won't stop being made just because people are focusing on casual games, but they will obviously be adversely affected. How could they not be?
simply because the market for them isn't shrinking.

any other large markets that may or may not come into existance, there will still be as many dollars to be made in the console market.

core games vs casual games is not the same as console games vs pc games.

have the 360 and PS3 been adversely affected by the Wii and DS bringing in a whole new audience of people to gaming?
 
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