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[Ratba]

Japan seems to be a graveyard for both of them.

I know 0 people who knew about the Japanese launch. The only kiosk I've seen has been in the corner of the den-den softmap in Osaka, and I just kind of stumbled on to it.

 

[Gaz Pwnage]

Awesome.

 

[shwimpy]

I think it's a pretty safe to say that Kinect is selling to consumers faster than Move. The fact that Sony released shipped not sold numbers is telling.

I'd like to be wrong though. Hopefully Sony comes out with some updated figures soon that shed some light on Moves progress.

I'd like them to be neck and neck, so the motion war battle rages on for years to come!

I'd be surprised if it's even close.

Good news for me. I look forward to getting a used one on EBay on the cheap in January.

Surprisingly, they're only going for $20-30 above MSRP right now. With eBay and Paypal fees being a bitch, there's barely any profit to be made.

I could see it blowing up near Christmas though.

 

[Phreaker]

Hardware bundles seem to be the major direction they went. The 4GB model in particular is everywhere.

I had seen the same locally. A friend just moved to the DC area and his (original) 360 RRoDed on him Friday evening and it was out of warranty. He was talking about getting a Kinect so he decided on the bundle. He wanted the one with the HDD, but it was sold out everywhere he tried. He ended up with Kinect/4GB + Hard Drive + Transfer Cable!

 

[DigitalDevil]

I'm confused about this..... I really thought that the Move would end up being the better version, yet it seems people are eating up the Kinect thing. What do you think is the MAJOR reason for the gap in sales between the two? Is it really the "you are the controller" thing? Is the fact that Microsoft negated the controller entirely that much of an "up sell" for the casual audience?

 

[Gary Whitta]

1 too many.

Spoiler

I have 4 of em and I'm bitter as fuck.

Same here, complete waste of money so far :lol

 

[fernoca]

I know 0 people who knew about the Japanese launch. The only kiosk I've seen has been in the corner of the den-den softmap in Osaka, and I just kind of stumbled on to it.

The thing sold 20k in 2 days over there, which is like 19k more that what I was expecting. :lol

 

[Kafel]

I'm confused about this..... I really thought that the Move would end up being the better version, yet it seems people are eating up the Kinect thing. What do you think is the MAJOR reason for the gap in sales between the two? Is it really the "you are the controller" thing? Is the fact that Microsoft negated the controller entirely that much of an "up sell" for the casual audience?

Move is basically Wii HD when Kinect is what Wii 2 could have been.

 

[bigdaddygamebot]

I'm confused about this..... I really thought that the Move would end up being the better version, yet it seems people are eating up the Kinect thing. What do you think is the MAJOR reason for the gap in sales between the two? Is it really the "you are the controller" thing?

Indubitably sir.

Is the fact that Microsoft negated the controller entirely that much of an "up sell" for the casual audience?

Ayup.

Also...I'm surprised about how often I hear "casuals" talking about Dance Central and "you need Kinect to play it."

 

[Prine]

I'm confused about this..... I really thought that the Move would end up being the better version, yet it seems people are eating up the Kinect thing. What do you think is the MAJOR reason for the gap in sales between the two? Is it really the "you are the controller" thing? Is the fact that Microsoft negated the controller entirely that much of an "up sell" for the casual audience?

Move is a better version of Wii, Kinect is different from any other attempt at full body gaming. You approach Kinect by throwing everything you know about gaming out the window, with Move, your're already conditioned by Wii.

Its so simple.

 

[Kolgar]

I'm confused about this..... I really thought that the Move would end up being the better version, yet it seems people are eating up the Kinect thing. What do you think is the MAJOR reason for the gap in sales between the two? Is it really the "you are the controller" thing? Is the fact that Microsoft negated the controller entirely that much of an "up sell" for the casual audience?

As someone up-stream has said, Move feels like a "Mii-too" product while Kinect is fresh and new--there's nothing else on the market like it.

Edit: OK, beaten like a red-headed stepchild. About FIFTEEN people have said it! :lol

 

[Snuggles]

Move is basically Wii HD when Kinect is what Wii 2 could have been.

but, what I hope to god, will not be

 

[antonz]

but, what I hope to god, will not be

Doubt it will. Nintendo had first rights to grab the technlogy and turned it down. Though It was a cost issue mostly and Microsoft got around it by downgrading alot of the tech inside to reduce costs.

 

[squatingyeti]

Sold to customer? Well Best Buy or Gamestop could be considered customers...

These numbers need more careful examination.

Sold to consumers. Wow, is 2.5M this hard to accept for some people? A new river might be created in the world.

 

[ThatHurt]

wonder if they will treat kinect adventures as a stand alone game like they did with wii sports. I suspect you will see that as the #1 or 2 spot for november with at least one other kinect game in the top 10.

Be interesting to see how the kinect games compair to the move games in the top 10.

 

[bigdaddygamebot]

but, what I hope to god, will not be

It'll be interesting to see if Nintendo now focuses solely on 3D or jump back in the ring and try to evolve motion controls further with the Wii 2.

 

[metareferential]

Also...I'm surprised about how often I hear "casuals" talking about Dance Central and "you need Kinect to play it."

And Dance Central is way more "hardcore" than a lot of the so-called traditional games.

 

[Gary Whitta]

but, what I hope to god, will not be

It won't be, Nintendo doesn't copy their rivals, they always do stuff first.

 

[Paracelsus]

Move is basically Wii HD when Kinect is what Wii 2 could have been

You mean a Wii taken seriously by developers?

 

[Snuggles]

You mean a Wii taken seriously by developers?

like Kinect?

 

[Walshicus]

Every time somebody buys a Kinect, I touch myself.

At 2.5 million touches, that surely counts as a Rusty Venture.

 

[bigdaddygamebot]

And Dance Central is way more "hardcore" than a lot of the so-called traditional games.

Yep. I've given up trying to make sense of it all.

Dance Central is big at my house and that's with my wife and I (and her friends) in our mid-thirties.

If this had been around when we were in our twenties...jesus...Dance Central must be ridiculously popular with college and university students that have the space for it.

 

[Paracelsus]

like Kinect?

If by "taken seriously" you consider mostly hybrid games, then I guess so.

 

[Dunlop]

You mean a Wii taken seriously by developers?

:lol







: (

 

[Dabanton]

You mean a Wii taken seriously by developers?

A crude post but truthful fact is a lot of developers fucked up big time when the Wii was released "it's a fad etc.." I can see them at least making an effort with Move/Kinect games this time around.

 

[Bay Maximus]

Yeah, when people were busy 'lol'ing about the Kinect (myself included), no one said it would matter when they launched so there's really no point in trying to backpedal now. Somehow, someway they're selling sh.....feces ton of Kinects.

I'm still not impressed although my fiance somehow heard about it and she wants to get a Kinect now (she wanted a Wii before) so I might have one before the end of this years. Jingle all the way

 

[LCfiner]

I bought one and I agree that it feels better to play than it is to watch someone else play on video. it holds some promise.

but even I’m surprised by how quickly they’re selling. I thought they might get 3 million for the quarter but it really looks like they’ll hit their 5 million target pretty easily with Xmas shopping coming up

 

[clashfan]

I would love to see a Kinectamals style game but with Cortana.

 

[Fredescu]

Move is basically Wii HD when Kinect is what Wii 2 could have been.

There's this, but there's also a massive marketing budget. I don't think I'd know what Move was if I wasn't following the gaming press, whereas I see several TV ads a night for Kinect. Good ads too I have to say.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

Sold to customer? Well Best Buy or Gamestop could be considered customers...

These numbers need more careful examination.

This poster needs more thread reading.

Every 360 has a unique bar code that stores scan when doing a transaction to activate the warranty, sort of like how gift cards must be activated. It's why you don't need a receipt when you call in for warranty service, they know the exact moment your console was sold. It also let's them ban stolen consoles from LIVE. I imagine they did the same with Kinect.

Right, call up either MS or Nintendo and give them your serial number and they can tell you the date it was bought and from what store location.

 

[PhatSaqs]

Some sweet tears raining on this thread :lol

 

[expy]

Move is basically Wii HD when Kinect is what Wii 2 could have been.

Wii 2 will not get rid of the controller. And to actually enhance the experience, Kinect will need to have an add-on for controls.

 

[metareferential]

Kinect will need to have an add-on for controls.

Thank god the 360 comes bundled with a controller xD

 

[Ryuuga]

Wii 2 will not get rid of the controller. And to actually enhance the experience, Kinect will need to have an add-on for controls.

Taking the easy way out eh? I think we as humans should grow more appendages.

 

[AnnSwag]

I would expect standalone units to flood the market after the holidays. For the holidays the primary focus certainly seems new buyers hence the surplus of console bundled Kinect.

Makes sense. Thanks for letting me know.

 

[Cipherr]

If by "taken seriously" you consider mostly hybrid games, then I guess so.

Lets not get carried away. Neither the Move nor the Kinect has done fuck all to convince anyone that they are going to get massive amount of support from developers for games we will give a shit about. If we could not get a repeat of the Wiifan denial when it comes to third party support for these devices that would be greeeeaaaaaaatttttt.

 

[clashfan]

I think Kinect is what they call a "paradigm shift"...
What we know about gaming will be changed forever.

 

[Psychotext]

Probably already linked, but I didn't see it, the official PR: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2010/nov10/11-29msxboxblackfridaymopr.mspx

REDMOND, Wash. — Nov. 29, 2010 — Microsoft Corp. today announced that strong demand over the Black Friday weekend has propelled retail sales of Kinect for Xbox 360 to more than 2.5 million units worldwide since it launched just 25 days ago.

“We are thrilled about the consumer response to Kinect, and are working hard with our retail and manufacturing partners to expedite production and shipments of Kinect to restock shelves as fast as possible to keep up with demand,” said Don Mattrick, president of the Interactive Entertainment Business at Microsoft. “With sales already exceeding two and a half million units in just 25 days, we are on pace to reach our forecast of 5 million units sold to consumers this holiday.”

So they're saying they expect 5m sold through now... that's brave. Initially the prediction was 5m shipped.

 

[Arpharmd B]

I remember being the black sheep in a sea of GAF hate towards Kinect around E3 saying it will be a hit. My how times have changed.

 

[Gary Whitta]

I remember being the black sheep in a sea of GAF hate towards Kinect around E3 saying it will be a hit. My how times have changed.

Nothing's changed, just as many people here hate it, only now it's sold 2.5m units.

 

[Z_Y]

Kinect Sports should have been the pack in. Sooooo good. Would have sold 10 million by now.

 

[FrankT]

Probably already linked, but I didn't see it, the official PR: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2010/nov10/11-29msxboxblackfridaymopr.mspx



So they're saying they expect 5m sold through now... that's brave. Initially the prediction was 5m shipped.

Well with them saying 2.5 million sold through to consumers it's not really a stretch considering December is always much bigger than November as for as console/gaming sales go normally. Much shopping to be done still. It really should simply boil down to supply more than anything.

Nothing's changed, just as many people here hate it, only now it's sold 2.5m units.

Though in the same regard many converts in the OT as well. Sorta reminds of the Wii early on heh. None of these products everyone will enjoy however, and a large chunk of the core may never be converted unless MS provides something worthy over the launch line-up.

 

[K.Jack]

I'm confused about this..... I really thought that the Move would end up being the better version, yet it seems people are eating up the Kinect thing. What do you think is the MAJOR reason for the gap in sales between the two? Is it really the "you are the controller" thing? Is the fact that Microsoft negated the controller entirely that much of an "up sell" for the casual audience?

$500,000,000 in marketing.

 

[PhatSaqs]

$500,000,000 in marketing.

:lol

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

$500,000,000 in marketing.

I think people underestimate this importance. The shit is literally EVERYWHERE. If I stay home all day and watch tv I think I actually hear about Kinect maybe 100 times in that day. Then it's also associated with tonnes of popular brands and stores and even food and everything. Then the appearance of it on shows like oprah and all.

500 mil goes an extremely long way to getting it around. No reason to be surprised by these numbers.

 

[AnnSwag]

“We are thrilled about the consumer response to Kinect, and are working hard with our retail and manufacturing partners to expedite production and shipments of Kinect to restock shelves as fast as possible to keep up with demand,” said Don Mattrick, president of the Interactive Entertainment Business at Microsoft.
http://www.gamercenteronline.net/2010/11/29/kinect-sells-2-5-million-sales-in-25-days/

Thanks Don! But please don't forget about the people who already have a 360 and just want the sensor and Kinect adventures. Because that's going to be my Christmas gift. I mean what am I going to have to do just to get the sensor and the game?

 

[FrankT]

Thanks Don! But please don't forget about the people who already have a 360 and just want the sensor and Kinect adventures. Because that's going to be my Christmas gift. I mean what am I going to have to do just to get the sensor and the game?

This is the best site as far as an online tracker;

http://wiialerts.com/get_categories.php?cid=22&cname=Xbox 360 Kinect

Recommended in the OT as someone was looking to get one shipped. They ended up getting lucky by signing up for the stock notice I believe. Toys R US or Target maybe iirc.

On that note, Mattrick wasn't BSing around last week eh. :lol

 

[Gary Whitta]

Thanks Don! But please don't forget about the people who already have a 360 and just want the sensor and Kinect adventures. Because that's going to be my Christmas gift. I mean what am I going to have to do just to get the sensor and the game?

Clearly you're meant to buy the bundle so that now you also have a spare Xbox.

 

[Tucah]

This is doing much better than I thought it would, I'll admit it.

 

[Wallach]

I think people underestimate this importance. The shit is literally EVERYWHERE. If I stay home all day and watch tv I think I actually hear about Kinect maybe 100 times in that day. Then it's also associated with tonnes of popular brands and stores and even food and everything. Then the appearance of it on shows like oprah and all.

500 mil goes an extremely long way to getting it around. No reason to be surprised by these numbers.

500 million isn't what they're spending this holiday. Who knows how long it will take them to actually spend that kind of money. They're definitely doing a good job marketing right now, though.