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2.5 Million Kinects. Kinects everywhere. Actually Sold To Consumers.

AnnSwag said:
True. So that mean I will have to sell my current 360 just to get Kinect?
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I would expect standalone units to flood the market after the holidays. For the holidays the primary focus certainly seems new buyers hence the surplus of console bundled Kinect.
 
Pimpbaa said:
Envy at what exactly?
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I agree. Haters don't envy anything. They just make a conscious (and subconscious) choice to hate everything related to Microsoft at every possible opportunity they can do so without being blatantly obvious (like hating stuff that is obviously good/quality). Anything who's potential benefit can be up to the interpretation of the people (imperfect products like Kinect, for example) immediately becomes a "glass half empty" proposition to become vocal about because some of us simply want MS to fail....and suspect products give us the opportunity to be fanboys without fully coming "out of the closet" or otherwise giving up our unbiased mask. For some of us, it's simply our posture towards MS. Basic fanboyism, shrouded in "honest critique".

but what else is new?
 
Garjon said:
Well, looks like I may have to up my estimate from 3.5 million.

Question: How does their tracking system actually work?
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Every 360 has a unique bar code that stores scan when doing a transaction to activate the warranty, sort of like how gift cards must be activated. It's why you don't need a receipt when you call in for warranty service, they know the exact moment your console was sold. It also let's them ban stolen consoles from LIVE. I imagine they did the same with Kinect.
 
So if this continues to sell like Wii, will we get the "Finally time to dust off the Kinect" comments like the Wii got a few months into its life cycle? Just curious.
 
Congrats Kinect likers I guess. 2.5 million is a whole lot of systems sold. You should get a decently supported system over the next couple of years.
 
Kafel said:
Damn you NPD.

We'll get hardware figures at least and I think Sony will be stomped between the Wii and 360+Kinect. Their motion controller solution doesn't seem to do many waves.
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If only they had $500 mil to throw around.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
I agree. Haters don't envy anything. They just make a conscious (and subconscious) choice to hate everything related to Microsoft at every possible opportunity they can do so without being blatantly obvious (like hating stuff that is obviously good/quality). Anything who's potential benefit can be up to the interpretation of the people (imperfect products like Kinect, for example) immediately becomes a "glass half empty" proposition to become vocal about because some of us simply want MS to fail and suspect products give us the opportunity to be fanboys without fully coming "out of the closet". For some of us, it's simply our posture towards MS. Basic fanboyism, shrouded in "honest critique".

but what else is new?
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You don't have to be a hater of a particular company to dislike motion control.
 
Pimpbaa said:
None of us here are making money off kinect or move I don't think.
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money, no, but the heart is involved

it's hard to see the other guys win, not all of us can be gracious losers
 
RurouniZel said:
So if this continues to sell like Wii, will we get the "Finally time to dust off the Kinect" comments like the Wii got a few months into its life cycle? Just curious.
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I think it's worse when you say that about a console than when you say it about a peripheral. I dust off my steering wheel once and awhile, doesn't make it bad.
 
Megadragon15 said:
Envy that a certain other device released 2 months ago doesn't seem to be as successful based on the silence of the company making it? Maybe?
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Why would anyone be envious that multi-billion dollar company A has a more successful product than multi-billion dollar company B? Unless said people own stock, I'm not sure envy is the right word for this. Generally, envy is about someone having what you don't have. In this case, two company have more than anyone will ever have.
 
They could sell 10 million units of Kinect, but until Microsoft actually releases games targeted at my demographic that utilize Kinect in an advantageous way no controller could copy, it's still irrelevant to me. Rare will most likely be the developer to accomplish this, assuming they don't keep pumping out party games.
DMeisterJ said:
Why would anyone be envious that multi-billion dollar company A has a more successful product than multi-billion dollar company B? Unless said people own stock, I'm not sure envy is the right word for this. Generally, envy is about someone having what you don't have. In this case, two company have more than anyone will ever have.
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Why would anyone devote themselves to a single multi-billion dollar company and declare absolute hatred against all of their competitors? People are stupid and act irrationally.
 
Kolgar said:
My girlfriend loves to come over and work out with me--it's a regular thing now.
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no envy here. I think Sony handling the Move just fine. It's sort of a "yeah we have that too" checkbox item I'm glad it's not the main focus.
 
DMeisterJ said:
Why would anyone be envious that multi-billion dollar company A has a more successful product than multi-billion dollar company B? Unless said people own stock, I'm not sure envy is the right word for this. Generally, envy is about someone having what you don't have. In this case, two company have more than anyone will ever have.
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Maybe I don't know, but I always assumed the more successful a device is, the more support that it will get. Silly notion, huh? :lol
 
RurouniZel said:
So if this continues to sell like Wii, will we get the "Finally time to dust off the Kinect" comments like the Wii got a few months into its life cycle? Just curious.
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Kinect dusts itself off when you start the 360. It's also why the Slims have the vent on top: the shaking and vent blow off dust.
 
GeoramA said:
If only they had $500 mil to throw around.
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It's not just money. To average Jane, Move looks like a Wii knock off and the selling point is HD Wii. Kinect looks like something new with some vaguely scifi potential. People who already own a Wii are more likely to get Kinect because it's more different than what they already have.
 
Dabanton said:
A few posts absolutely dripping with simmering anger and envy in here. :lol
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Pride too. Also lol-worthy.

Great showing for Kinect thus far. It's gotta be approaching EyeToy numbers already, doesn't it?
 
Sniper McBlaze said:
Anyone know how much Move has sold?
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Probably less if Sony doesn't speak up tomorrow. Plus a single household would count for up to 4 Move sales, possibly 8 if they count nunchucks as separate (probably since it's a separate SKU). Each Kinect is 1 household. That doesn't matter to Sony but it means Move sales don't accurately represent install base for software sales since a house with 4 Moves is only 1 potential sale per software title.
 
Zzoram said:
Every 360 has a unique bar code that stores scan when doing a transaction to activate the warranty, sort of like how gift cards must be activated. It's why you don't need a receipt when you call in for warranty service, they know the exact moment your console was sold. It also let's them ban stolen consoles from LIVE. I imagine they did the same with Kinect.
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Wow, wonder why they don't report some of their more insanely high sales more often? Still, anything that might piss off NPD is good with me.
 
steveovig said:
I played demos for Sonic and Dance Central and they're fun at first but not something I can see myself playing all the time.
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This pretty much sums up my experience with all motion-controlled gaming. Fun for a while and then the novelty wears off and I want to sit back down with precise standard controllers.

Not that I hate it, I've been a happy Wii owner since the beginning and I still like the system. I wanted to hate Move and Kinect but then I tried both the other night in a store and I have to admit my friend and I were having fun with Kinect Adventures. Move was okay too, although it felt very similar to Wii and therefore wasn't as engaging.

I'll probably pick both up eventually but only after some price drops or clearances.
 
Sniper McBlaze said:
Anyone know how much Move has sold?
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1m controllers in NA. 1.5m controllers in Europe. As of last month. No idea what "controllers" mean and if that is shipped or sold. Also I don't know about Japan.
 
user_nat said:
1m controllers in NA. 1.5m controllers in Europe. As of last month. No idea what "controllers" mean and if that is shipped or sold. Also I don't know about Japan.
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Japan seems to be a graveyard for both of them.
 
Zzoram said:
Probably less if Sony doesn't speak up tomorrow. Plus a single household would count for up to 4 Move sales, possibly 8 if they count nunchucks as separate (probably since it's a separate SKU). Each Kinect is 1 household.
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They could talk figures of the Playstation Move family. With shipped numbers.
 
Zzoram said:
It's not just money. To average Jane, Move looks like a Wii knock off and the selling point is HD Wii. Kinect looks like something new with some vaguely scifi potential. People who already own a Wii are more likely to get Kinect because it's more different than what they already have.
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I agree, Kinect feels like something new and (to casuals) quite mind-blowing whereas Move is just an extension of concepts that already feel old hat to most people thanks to the Wii having already done it for the past several years. As a result Kinect is capturing the public imagination on a mainstream level in a way that Move just... isn't.
 
user_nat said:
1m controllers in NA. 1.5m controllers in Europe. As of last month. No idea what "controllers" mean and if that is shipped or sold. Also I don't know about Japan.
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Again, these are shipped numbers and the 1 million is shipped to North and Latin America when they announced it last month.
 
Sniper McBlaze said:
Anyone know how much Move has sold?
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In the first 30 days, 2.5 million sold to retail, so this was as of late October. So whatever it's sold since October 25th-ish to now isn't known (hopefully they'll talk about it soon).

So:

Kinect - 2.5 million sold to consumers
Move - 2.5 million+ sold to retail.

Essentially, we have no clue which has shipped or sold more to consumers at this point.
 
Gary Whitta said:
I agree, Kinect feels like something new and (to casuals) quite mind-blowing whereas Move is just an extension of concepts that already feel old hat to most people thanks to the Wii having already done it for the past several years. As a result Kinect is capturing the public imagination on a mainstream level in a way that Move just... isn't.
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Without being overly contentious, Kinect IS new and completely unique at the moment. Kinect is just as different from the Wii as the Wii was from the standard controls when it first came out.

DMeisterJ said:
In the first 30 days, 2.5 million sold to retail, so this was as of late October. So whatever it's sold since October 25th-ish to now isn't known (hopefully they'll talk about it soon).

So:

Kinect - 2.5 million sold to consumers
Move - 2.5 million+ sold to retail.

Essentially, we have no clue which has shipped or sold more to consumers at this point.
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Word of mouth-wise...where I work which is pretty much the perfect vertical slice of society; I hear everyone talking about Kinect and how "YOU ARE THE CONTROLLER...REALLY!" Move gets absolutely no love at all. The only people that mention Move are three dudes who are die hard Sony fans and perpetually rail against anything not Sony. They're amusing in a thoroughly charming way. They even try to sell the soccer-moms on getting Move for their kids for Christmas but the soccer-moms will have none of it. I've even heard, "It's like the Wii, but better because there are no batteries."

...strange times.
 
user_nat said:
1m controllers in NA. 1.5m controllers in Europe. As of last month. No idea what "controllers" mean and if that is shipped or sold. Also I don't know about Japan.
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1 million was for NA and (parts of)Latin America and they said back then that it was shipped. No Japan numbers at the moment though.
Sony responded to a request for clarification, noting that Jack Tretton said 1 million "shipped," and that the number actually includes both North and Latin America, not just the U.S. and Canada (as others have reported). The 2.5 million number comes from the addition of Andrew House's 1.5 million "shipped" European claim
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They said back then, that they've been selling basically what they've been shipping; so that's were some of the confusion started.
 
Zzoram said:
Every 360 has a unique bar code that stores scan when doing a transaction to activate the warranty, sort of like how gift cards must be activated. It's why you don't need a receipt when you call in for warranty service, they know the exact moment your console was sold. It also let's them ban stolen consoles from LIVE. I imagine they did the same with Kinect.
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I don't know which system MS uses, but Nintendo invented (one of?) the first POS tracking systems. It's called SIRAS.

Edit: Sony actually uses SIRAS for Playstation tracking.
 
DMeisterJ said:
In the first 30 days, 2.5 million sold to retail, so this was as of late October. So whatever it's sold since October 25th-ish to now isn't known (hopefully they'll talk about it soon).

So:

Kinect - 2.5 million sold to consumers
Move - 2.5 million+ sold to retail.

Essentially, we have no clue which has shipped or sold more to consumers at this point.
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I think it's a pretty safe to say that Kinect is selling to consumers faster than Move. The fact that Sony released shipped not sold numbers is telling.

I'd like to be wrong though. Hopefully Sony comes out with some updated figures soon that shed some light on Moves progress.

I'd like them to be neck and neck, so the motion war battle rages on for years to come!
 
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