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These are the mind games the owners will play with the players, all the way to a January deadline to cancel the season. They’ll be Lucy to the players’ Charlie Brown, pulling that ball away again and again. This is a high-stakes game full of backward agendas and hidden motives. Here’s the scariest part of it all for those who want labor talks to have a puncher’s chance at saving the season: Allen appears to be checking out on the Blazers, and there’s suspicion that his motives center on saving as much money as possible in this CBA to eventually ready his franchise for a sale.

“He’s gone the other way, the complete other way,” a high-ranking league official told Yahoo! Sports. “He’s been the most vociferous lately that [the owners] have given up too much to the players, that they should be holding out for a hard cap, for 40 percent to the players [on the revenue split]. No one has gone after the labor committee harder about this than him.”

Nearly three weeks ago, the players themselves had brought their own fiercely private, peculiar force into the room: the Boston Celtics’ Kevin Garnett(notes). Garnett came out of nowhere in these talks, and owners believed his strident railing derailed momentum toward a deal in early October.

Now, it was management’s turn. It was Allen, who has spent the GNP of third-world countries in pursuit of an NBA title, and now, as one NBA front-office executive calls him: “He’s sort of turned into this era’s Howard Hughes.”

The season’s in genuine jeopardy now because powerbrokers like Allen are uniting with nickel-and-dimers like Sarver in a common cause: How do I get out of NBA ownership with maximum profit, minimal pain? These are simply men gutting costs to eventually get the best price and sell those franchises. In his life, Allen has a history of disengaging people and things once he loses interest, and that appears to be happening now.

“The worst thing for the Blazers are not the injuries, but Paul losing interest,” said a league official connected to the organization. “And once he loses interest in anything, he doesn’t want to deal with it anymore. He can’t win anymore, so he’s going to literally take his ball and go home.”
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_owners_paul_allen_lockout_102111

THANKS A LOT, REILO!
 
ClovingSteam said:
7200 points here man! Now I just need a 360 again.
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I hope you drown in your sea of digital downloads.

You don't even play games. You just look at them in a list. And then gloat over my misfortune.

Life isn't fair, man.

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. One report Thursday night indicated that Peter Holt, formerly regarded as a moderate of moderates in the talk, told the union, "You haven't felt enough pain yet."
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I swear, some of these articles make some owners seem cartoonishly evil.

I can't imagine someone saying the above to me in such a circumstance. I'd probably want to take a swing at him in that case.
 
Black Mamba said:
I can't imagine someone saying the above to me in such a circumstance. I'd probably want to take a swing at him in that case.
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Yeah, billionaires can be dicks when it comes to money.

Thats probably how they got so rich.

ClovingSteam said:
If I could gift a game to you I would :(
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I don't want your pity!

Anyways..

back to basketball

OH WAIT
 
Dirk was on the radio yesterday, he said:

-Cardinal is "strange."

-Apparently Jason Terry bought a Bentley while wearing a terrycloth robe and smoking a cigar.

-If he was a baseball pitcher he'd be a closer because he'd throw nothing but fastballs all the time.
 
KEVIN DING
Union chief Billy Hunter cites Lakers' Jerry Buss first (with NY, MIA, DAL owners): "Those are the folks who wanted a deal and were open."
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"Hunter: "The bigger market (owners), the guys who want to cut a deal, don't have the votes."
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So when I kept saying the bigger market owners would make a deal with the players and get this all done if it wasn't for the small market teams trying to cash grab from both sides...Reilo and Giri said I wasn't making sense and they "proved" with their insurmountable logic that I was wrong.


So yea, about that...
 
Vahagn said:
So when I kept saying the bigger market owners would make a deal with the players and get this all done if it wasn't for the small market teams trying to cash grab from both sides...Reilo and Giri said I wasn't making sense and they "proved" with their insurmountable logic that I was wrong.


So yea, about that...
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Nice avatar, Vag. Didn't know you were such a huge Pokemanz fan.
 
Black Mamba said:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_owners_paul_allen_lockout_102111

THANKS A LOT, REILO!
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Vahagn said:
So when I kept saying the bigger market owners would make a deal with the players and get this all done if it wasn't for the small market teams trying to cash grab from both sides...Reilo and Giri said I wasn't making sense and they "proved" with their insurmountable logic that I was wrong.


So yea, about that...
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reilo
NBA small market tool
 
Vahagn said:
So when I kept saying the bigger market owners would make a deal with the players and get this all done if it wasn't for the small market teams trying to cash grab from both sides...Reilo and Giri said I wasn't making sense and they "proved" with their insurmountable logic that I was wrong.


So yea, about that...
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So four owners still means majority? Your entire premise is still wrong, for the obvious reasons.

Also, those four owners have represented 9 out of the last twelve Finals teams since 2006. The system is working for them, so it is working for everyone, amirite?
 
reilo said:
So four owners still means majority? Your entire premise is still wrong, for the obvious reasons.

Also, those four owners have represented 9 out of the last twelve Finals teams since 2006. The system is working for them, so it is working for everyone, amirite?
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You know as well as I do that wasn't the point I ever made. I said Large Market owners + 400 players = the majority.


I understand WHY small market teams are holding out for a deal they feel is fair. But this was never the players being on the side of the small market owners as you suggested it was. Jerry Buss supposedly has offered to give 50 million a year in revenue sharing which is above and beyond what was initially being asked of him. That was never the holdup as you suggested it was, and it never created solidarity between the small market owners and players as you suggested it did. The players are coming down from their 57% dramatically and making system changes ACROSS the board that benefit the owners as well.


The reason we have a lockout is that the small market owners, 22, 26, whatever total number it is, are asking for hardline demands that neither the big city owners nor the 400 players are fond of.


The article Mamba posted is my issue. Most of these small market owners don't have the passion for the NBA that a Jerry Buss, or a Marc Cuban, or a Jerry Reinsdorf have. They are looking at teams purely as items on their asset portfolio instead of looking for the overall benefit of the NBA and it's fans. They gut and sell the teams and don't have the loyalty to the league as a whole that someone like Buss has. So forgive me if I don't think they should get what they want when its in direct contrast to what the majority of NBA personnel want.
 
Vahagn said:
You know as well as I do that wasn't the point I ever made. I said Large Market owners + 400 players = the majority.
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IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
I understand WHY small market teams are holding out for a deal they feel is fair. But this was never the players being on the side of the small market owners as you suggested it was. Jerry Buss supposedly has offered to give 50 million a year in revenue sharing which is above and beyond what was initially being asked of him. That was never the holdup as you suggested it was, and it never created solidarity between the small market owners and players as you suggested it did. The players are coming down from their 57% dramatically and making system changes ACROSS the board that benefit the owners as well.
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They can't resolve any of those issues unless they figure out the system stuff. Revenue sharing is secondary.

The players aren't coming down from anything. The last CBA is gone and it does not exist anymore. It's never coming back. So quit arguing from that position.

The reason we have a lockout is that the small market owners, 22, 26, whatever total number it is, are asking for hardline demands that neither the big city owners nor the 400 players are fond of.
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Again, two separate entities, not four or five.
The article Mamba posted is my issue. Most of these small market owners don't have the passion for the NBA that a Jerry Buss, or a Marc Cuban, or a Jerry Reinsdorf have. They are looking at teams purely as items on their asset portfolio instead of looking for the overall benefit of the NBA and it's fans. They gut and sell the teams and don't have the loyalty to the league as a whole that someone like Buss has. So forgive me if I don't think they should get what they want when its in direct contrast to what the majority of NBA personnel want.
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lol what shit. You are completely delusional if you believe that. Paul Allen has lost $500mil+ on trying to build a championship team. As has been proven time and time again, that only works if you are a large market team due to the system in place.

Also, going by your razor-thin logic, the "majority" is made up of the number of people involved -- which would always mean the players are the "majority". One team is not equal to one player. Get that idiocy out of your head.
 
I don't see how Vahagn is wrong here, though I don't see what the point is.. The Players Union plus a faction of the NBA is a majority. How is that debatable?
 
thekad said:
I don't see how Vahagn is wrong here, though I don't see what the point is.. The Players Union plus a faction of the NBA is a majority. How is that debatable?
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Because one player's vote is not equal to one owner's vote.

Tell me guys, how does the US Congress operate?
 
reilo said:
Because one player's vote is not equal to one owner's vote.

Tell me guys, how does the US Congress operate?
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Okay, think about it like this. The players union is the House. The owners are the Senate. The Democrats and Republicans in the House are all in agreement. The Republicans in the Senate agree with the House. There's your majority.
 
so you think the smaller amount of big market owners will outvote the majority of small market owners?

If you just split the money and keep the system there is no point to coming back for the NBA. You'll start losing fans and you'll be splitting a shrinking pie(adjusted for inflation).
 
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Okay, think about it like this. The players union is the House. The owners are the Senate. The Democrats and Republicans in the House are all in agreement. The Republicans in the Senate agree with the House. There's your majority.
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Except that the Republicans in the Senate have cast the same vote as the Democrats in the Senate.

It's one union versus another union at the end of the day still. The premise is entirely wrong.

Because, hey, if it was up to the "majority", then we'd be out of the lockout since the players make up most of the voting body, right?
 
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And there's like 14 other great players in next year's draft as well, too bad there's no NBA to have a draft for :(
 
you guys are completely not pointing out that they didn't just miss some charity game

they missed

MICHAEL BEASLEY'S CHARITY GAME


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7132892/michael-beasley-hosts-charity-game-minnesota

OSSEO, Minn. -- Michael Beasley rounded up some of his friends for a charity basketball game at a Minnesota high school on Friday night, hoping to bring a few smiles to the faces of some fans disillusioned by the NBA lockout.

Fellow Timberwolves Wes Johnson, Anthony Randolph, Wayne Ellington, Lazar Hayward and Anthony Tolliver were among NBA players who made appearances, as did Golden State swingman Dorell Wright and Vikings star Adrian Peterson, who served as a celebrity coach.

"The lockout is very frustrating and the fans are the main ones suffering," Beasley said before the game. "Just doing my part to bring b-ball back to Minnesota."

About 600 to 700 fans paid to watch the game, with net proceeds going to several charities, including St. Jude Children's Hospital and Peterson's All Day Foundation.
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I am impressed and did not think he could pull something off like this
 
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